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Something Our Democrat/Leftist Posters Don’t Want To Consider

Ponca Dan

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When you’re wrong about something you really want to believe it’s hard to get exposed to the truth, and harder yet to admit to yourself that you’ve been played for a fool, even when human extinction is on the line.


 
When you’re wrong about something you really want to believe it’s hard to get exposed to the truth, and harder yet to admit to yourself that you’ve been played for a fool, even when human extinction is on the line.


I don't know of any Democratic poster who disagrees that had Trump been given a second term, there probably would not have been an invasion of Ukraine by Putin. Putin would have gotten everything he wanted from Trump and NATO would be an absolute mess right now. Odds are, if those around Trump are to be believed, Trump would have withdrawn us from NATO.
 
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I don't know of any Democratic poster who disagrees that had Trump been given a second term, there probably would not have been an invasion of Ukraine by Putin. Putin would have gotten everything he wanted from Trump and NATO would be an absolute mess right now. Odds are, if those around Trump are to be believed, Trump would have withdrawn us from NATO.
As if NATO under Biden is anything other than a quivering, and soon to be shivering mess! I don’t know what Putin would have gotten in negotiations with Trump, but I am confident what he wouldn’t have gotten is a war that is killing thousands of people and costing billions in Ukrainian infrastructure damage, the potential economic and social collapse of the west, including our own country, nor would each side be threatening the other with nuclear annihilation. That’s all on Biden and the NeoCons that play with him like a rubber ducky in a bathtub.
 
As if NATO under Biden is anything other than a quivering, and soon to be shivering mess!
Stop reading and believing everything in your Putin propaganda. The NATO alliance is stronger now than it ever was under Trump. I'm sure you hope it will become a mess though. After all, that is what Putin hopes too.

That’s all on Biden and the NeoCons that play with him like a rubber ducky in a bathtub.
No, it was Putin who decided to invade a sovereign country and who got himself, his country, and Ukraine in a war that is killing thousands.
 
Stop reading and believing everything in your Putin propaganda. The NATO alliance is stronger now than it ever was under Trump. I'm sure you hope it will become a mess though. After all, that is what Putin hopes too.


No, it was Putin who decided to invade a sovereign country and who got himself, his country, and Ukraine in a war that is killing thousands.
I would advise that you stop reading only what the US intelligence apparatus provides and broaden your reading circle on thr off chance that you are being lied to. Putin’s propaganda is filled with lies. American propaganda is filled with lies. You need to read as much as you can absorb and then independently decide what is the truth. I realize that independent thought is a foreign concept to you, but you should try it, you will be amazed at how much freer you will feel.
 
You need to read as much as you can absorb and then independently decide what is the truth.
I do.

But I also can recognize the difference between Putin propaganda, American propaganda, and the truth. And I have no problem admitting that I firmly reject the propaganda from Putin. Can you admit that you firmly embrace the anti-American propaganda that Putin encourages?
 
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I do.

But I also can recognize the difference between Putin propaganda, American propaganda, and the truth. And I have no problem admitting that I firmly reject the propaganda from Putin. Can you admit that you firmly embrace the anti-American propaganda that Putin encourages?
I have confirmed it repeatedly from the beginning. You, OTOH, have never written a word questioning a thing tbe security state in America has told you. You’ve only repeated the propaganda verbatim..
 
I do.

But I also can recognize the difference between Putin propaganda, American propaganda, and the truth. And I have no problem admitting that I firmly reject the propaganda from Putin. Can you admit that you firmly embrace the anti-American propaganda that Putin encourages?
Yet you embrace shit britches propoganda?
 
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I have confirmed it repeatedly from the beginning.
So then this is a yes, you can admit that you firmly embrace the anti-American propaganda that Putin encourages.

You, OTOH, have never written a word questioning a thing tbe security state in America has told you.
The difference between you (along with Putin) and I is that I don't see our government as the enemy. Nor do I believe our government is wrong regarding Ukraine. When I think our government (or policy makers) are wrong, I'll say so. As I have said about our foreign policy blunders all the way back to JFK (and could go even further back then that).

I don't accept everything our government says, but yes, I am an American and I want to see our interests (and the interests of our allies) protected and promoted around the world. I believe we are doing just that as it relates to Ukraine and Putin.
 
So then this is a yes, you can admit that you firmly embrace the anti-American propaganda that Putin encourages.


The difference between you (along with Putin) and I is that I don't see our government as the enemy. Nor do I believe our government is wrong regarding Ukraine. When I think our government (or policy makers) are wrong, I'll say so. As I have said about our foreign policy blunders all the way back to JFK (and could go even further back then that).

I don't accept everything our government says, but yes, I am an American and I want to see our interests (and the interests of our allies) protected and promoted around the world. I believe we are doing just that as it relates to Ukraine and Putin.
Exactly. You’re a true to the bone believer in everything your government tells you. It will be interesting to see if you still say the same things if the Republicans get control of the levers of power in 2024. I firmly expect your party bosses will lead you by the nose into suddenly questioning things. Let’s face it, that’s just who you are, that’s just how you roll. I have never seen anyone in my life so zombie-like in their unquestioned devotion to repeating word for word everything they have been hypnotized by.
 
Exactly. You’re a true to the bone believer in everything your government tells you.
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Again, as I stated and you ignored, when I think our government (or policy makers) are wrong, I'll say so. As I have said about our foreign policy blunders all the way back to JFK (and could go even further back then that).

Just because one supports our current approach towards Ukraine and Putin doesn't mean one believes everything our government says. That is just more of your nonsense.

It will be interesting to see if you still say the same things if the Republicans get control of the levers of power in 2024.
As long as Republicans are placing our nation's (and our allies') foreign interests ahead of Putin's interests, I will support them too.

If they start sounding like you and Putin though, I will definitely oppose them.
 
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Again, as I stated and you ignored, when I think our government (or policy makers) are wrong, I'll say so. As I have said about our foreign policy blunders all the way back to JFK (and could go even further back then that).

Just because one supports our current approach towards Ukraine and Putin doesn't mean one believes everything our government says. That is just more of your nonsense.


As long as Republicans are placing our nation's (and our allies') foreign interests ahead of Putin's interests, I will support them too.

If they start sounding like you and Putin though, I will definitely oppose them.

You oppose anything and everything thats not Party Supported. You are without a doubt the biggest born swallower I have ever seen. Its troll level bs you spew, no way in hell anyone can be so in line with a Party as you are. It reminds me of the people that fell in line with the Nazis and their Party Propaganda. They rely on fools like you to carry the message. Sad really that you are so gullible.
 
Can I just say I am totally had my fill of Ukraine vs Russia bullcrap.

Who the hell knows who is right or wrong. Putin is an evil POS but I'm not sure the Ukraine side isn't also corrupt murdering POS's.

The whole affair is FUBAR!
 
I don't know of any Democratic poster who disagrees that had Trump been given a second term, there probably would not have been an invasion of Ukraine by Putin. Putin would have gotten everything he wanted from Trump and NATO would be an absolute mess right now. Odds are, if those around Trump are to be believed, Trump would have withdrawn us from NATO.
You really are delusional and easily manipulated.
 
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You oppose anything and everything thats not Party Supported. You are without a doubt the biggest born swallower I have ever seen. Its troll level bs you spew, no way in hell anyone can be so in line with a Party as you are. It reminds me of the people that fell in line with the Nazis and their Party Propaganda. They rely on fools like you to carry the message. Sad really that you are so gullible.
I recommend American Marxism by Mark Levin. Mr. Levin uses small words from the dominant West Germanic language (English).
 
When you’re wrong about something you really want to believe it’s hard to get exposed to the truth, and harder yet to admit to yourself that you’ve been played for a fool, even when human extinction is on the line.


So who played you for a fool when you were on here saying Putin wouldn't invade?
 
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When you’re wrong about something you really want to believe it’s hard to get exposed to the truth, and harder yet to admit to yourself that you’ve been played for a fool, even when human extinction is on the line.



So who played you for a fool when you were on here saying Putin wouldn't invade?

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Your opinion shapers were pretty objectively wrong.

Nothing has changed since Twain wrote that. You really should question the sources of all these strongly held views of yours.
 
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So who played you for a fool when you were on here saying Putin wouldn't invade?
I, like many many others did not think Putin would invade, and I was wrong. If you recall the day after the invasion began I came on this board, admitted my mistake and gave Putin hell for what he did. So tell me, Sys, when have you come on this board and admitted a grievous error?
 
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I, like many many others did not think Putin would invade, and I was wrong. If you recall the day after the invasion began I came on this board, admitted my mistake and gave Putin hell for what he did. So tell me, Sys, when have you come on this board and admitted a grievous error?

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So who played you for a fool when you were on here saying Putin wouldn't invade?
Not only this, but if memory serves me correctly, Lonesome Dan was claiming that our government (especially Biden) was lying to us about the real possibility of Putin invading Ukraine. That we couldn't trust what our government was saying, we should be listening to Putin, etc.

He was flat out wrong about all of that. Yet, has he changed at all? Nope. He still is claiming our government is lying, that we shouldn't believe them, and posting article after article that pushes out Putin propaganda.

He never learns. He just doubles down.
 
Not only this, but if memory serves me correctly, Lonesome Dan was claiming that our government (especially Biden) was lying to us about the real possibility of Putin invading Ukraine. That we couldn't trust what our government was saying, we should be listening to Putin, etc.

He was flat out wrong about all of that. Yet, has he changed at all? Nope. He still is claiming our government is lying, that we shouldn't believe them, and posting article after article that pushes out Putin propaganda.

He never learns. He just doubles down.
Cliff Clavin saying things in the way only Cliff Clavin would say them. You remember how in Cheers people would listen to Cliff pontificate and look at each other with cheesy grins as they rolled their eyes at each other and say there he goes again. Some people came to the bar just for the entertainment value of Cliff’s polemics. @my_2cents is our very own Cliff Clavin.
 
Cliff Clavin saying things in the way only Cliff Clavin would say them. You remember how in Cheers people would listen to Cliff pontificate and look at each other with cheesy grins as they rolled their eyes at each other and say there he goes again. Some people came to the bar just for the entertainment value of Cliff’s polemics. @my_2cents is our very own Cliff Clavin.
So this is the best response you could come up with regarding how horribly wrong you were about Putin and who was really lying about his invansion?

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So this is the best response you could come up with regarding how horribly wrong you were about Putin and who was really lying about his invansion?

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You see, Cliff, this is why you’re considered such a screwball. My best response was owning up to my mistake in not thinking Putin would invade, along with millions of other people. The NeoCons that have total control over the situation knew they could push Putin’s buttons and get him to invade. I thought he would not take the bait. I posted a link earlier today just for you, Cliff, pointing out two huge whoppers our government is telling us. You should read it even though it will demolish some of your most coveted beliefs. It’s really going to be entertaining to watch you pretzel yourself as you do a 180 about trusting our government if the Republicans, and especially - horror! - it’s Donald Trump that prosecutes the war. I suspect it will be the most Cliff Clavinny “egg on your face” imaginable.
 
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I, like many many others did not think Putin would invade, and I was wrong. If you recall the day after the invasion began I came on this board, admitted my mistake and gave Putin hell for what he did. So tell me, Sys, when have you come on this board and admitted a grie⁷vous error?
Dan, we all miss some, sure. Football games, elections. But Putin had forces massed. For months. E1 said he's invading. You had an entire narrative that ignored those facts. Then, your narrative was plainly wrong and YOU STILL STICK TO THE NARRATIVE!

.02 is right! And you attacked him! You DID believe writers over Biden and still snarf up those same writers. They literally can't be proven wrong and Biden cant be proven right!

Look at that Mark Twain quote.
 
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Dan, we all miss some, sure. Football games, elections. But Putin had forces massed. For months. E1 said he's invading. You had an entire narrative that ignored those facts. Then, your narrative was plainly wrong and YOU STILL STICK TO THE NARRATIVE!

.02 is right! And you attacked him! You DID believe writers over Biden and still snarf up those same writers. They literally can't be proven wrong and Biden cant be proven right!

Look at that Mark Twain quote.
You are aware that Putin amassed between 180,000 and 200,000 forces along the border because Ukraine had amassed nearly half of its combined military might, 300,000 , on the river separating western Ukraine from Russian-speaking easter Ukraine in preparation to invade its own country, murder its own citizens as a “final solution” to put down the rebellion that broke out after the US inspired coup ousted a Russia-friendly Ukrainian government and installed its chosen one, right? Putin had refused to aid the rebels in spite of their pleas for help as the Ukraine government’s NeoNazi military element had been firing artillery shells at their own people, killing roughly 8,000 of them. All this coupled with the American NeoCon unrelenting lust to bring Ukraine into NATO so they could establish military bases directly on the Russian border. In spite of all that I did not think Putin would respond by invading. Was massing 300,000 soldiers on the river with the intention to put down the rebellion a NATO-inspired plan to bait Russia into attacking? I don’t know. Maybe. Probably. If it was it worked like a charm, and now, months later, with thousands of innocent people killed, untold infrastructure damage and no end in sight, everything the NeoCons dreamed would happen has happened. Putin was a fool to invade, and considering the economic and social damage that has befallen the West because of the war, the West was foolish to listen to the clearly insane blood lusting NeoCons of the American security state. I have admitted my narrative that Putin would not invade, would not be lured into attacking by American-inspired shenanigans, was wrong. At what point will you admit that American involvement to get the whole thing started is real?
 
pointing out two huge whoppers our government is telling us.
You mean, like the whopper of a lie you insisted our government was telling us when they were warning that Putin would invade Ukraine?

You have no more credibility on this issue Lonesome Dan. You have been sold out to Putin from day one and you have continuous been wrong.

It’s really going to be entertaining to watch you pretzel yourself as you do a 180 about trusting our government if the Republicans, and especially - horror! - it’s Donald Trump that prosecutes the war.
Mark this down. Quote it in the future if you want. If Trump ever became President again, and opposed Putin's interests while strongly supporting Ukraine, I would fully support him in such endeavors. Same goes for any potential Republican President.

This isn't about party for me. As I've told you numerous times, this is about supporting our foreign national interests and the interests of our allies.
 
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You are aware that Putin amassed between 180,000 and 200,000 forces along the border because Ukraine had amassed nearly half of its combined military might, 300,000 , on the river separating western Ukraine from Russian-speaking easter Ukraine in preparation to invade its own country, murder its own citizens as a “final solution” to put down the rebellion that broke out after the US inspired coup ousted a Russia-friendly Ukrainian government and installed its chosen one, right? Putin had refused to aid the rebels in spite of their pleas for help as the Ukraine government’s NeoNazi military element had been firing artillery shells at their own people, killing roughly 8,000 of them. All this coupled with the American NeoCon unrelenting lust to bring Ukraine into NATO so they could establish military bases directly on the Russian border. In spite of all that I did not think Putin would respond by invading. Was massing 300,000 soldiers on the river with the intention to put down the rebellion a NATO-inspired plan to bait Russia into attacking? I don’t know. Maybe. Probably. If it was it worked like a charm, and now, months later, with thousands of innocent people killed, untold infrastructure damage and no end in sight, everything the NeoCons dreamed would happen has happened. Putin was a fool to invade, and considering the economic and social damage that has befallen the West because of the war, the West was foolish to listen to the clearly insane blood lusting NeoCons of the American security state. I have admitted my narrative that Putin would not invade, would not be lured into attacking by American-inspired shenanigans, was wrong. At what point will you admit that American involvement to get the whole thing started is real?
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See what I mean @Syskatine. He never learns. He just doubles down.
 
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You mean, like the whopper of a lie you insisted our government was telling us when they were warning that Putin would invade Ukraine?

You have no more credibility on this issue Lonesome Dan. You have been sold out to Putin from day one and you have continuous been wrong.


Mark this down. Quote it in the future if you want. If Trump ever became President again, and opposed Putin's interests while strongly supporting Ukraine, I would fully support him in such endeavors. Same goes for any potential Republican President.

This isn't about party for me. As I've told you numerous times, this is about supporting our foreign national interests and the interests of our allies.
I look forward to the day I lambast Trump for keeping the war in Ukraine going and you come to his defense. Especially if the Democrat narrative shifts and the Party bosses decide it is time to be anti-war again. (Which I will cheer, by the way.) That will be a sight to see, Cliff.
 
Dan, we all miss some, sure. Football games, elections. But Putin had forces massed. For months. E1 said he's invading. You had an entire narrative that ignored those facts. Then, your narrative was plainly wrong and YOU STILL STICK TO THE NARRATIVE!

.02 is right! And you attacked him! You DID believe writers over Biden and still snarf up those same writers. They literally can't be proven wrong and Biden cant be proven right!

Look at that Mark Twain quote.
".02 is right."

Do you mean 2? .02 is less than a penny. In 1792, Congress based the dollar on the meter. my_2cents is correct. my_20mils or my$.02 could substitute.
 
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Your opinion shapers were pretty objectively wrong.

Nothing has changed since Twain wrote that. You really should question the sources of all these strongly held views of yours.
You post shit like this and then you criticize people for being skeptical.

Carry on.
 
You post shit like this and then you criticize people for being skeptical.

Carry on.
Dan's been so wrong, and he just doubles down. He's brainwashed. You'd think he would resent his thought leaders. Nope, just wants more of their baloney.
 
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