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So?

Interesting article.

Doubt they did but if so, How is it different than Justin Trudeau or Nigel Farrage talking to Trump or Hillary?

Is there something substantive that has been definitively tied to the Russian government in regards to election hacking? And if so, what?
 
So?
Is there something substantive that has been definitively tied to the Russian government in regards to election hacking? And if so, what?

Why a server linked up with a Russian bank? Biff says he had nothing to do with Russia, but a dedicated server to a Russian bank? Why?

Why don't we find out and have total transparency all the way around? If Obama did something illegal by wiretapping Biff he should be jailed. If Biff has been lying about Obama wiretapping him, what does that tell you? Anything?
 
Why a server linked up with a Russian bank? Biff says he had nothing to do with Russia, but a dedicated server to a Russian bank? Why?
You had ZERO issues with the Clinton Foundation, so your outrage here is comical.
 
You had ZERO issues with the Clinton Foundation, so your outrage here is comical.

You're confusing outrage with interest and Hillary definitely had sloppy security. Why would Biff have a server that was seemingly dedicated to only communicating with a russian bank? He has nothing to do with Russia, remember?
 
You're confusing outrage with interest and Hillary definitely had sloppy security. Why would Biff have a server that was seemingly dedicated to only communicating with a russian bank? He has nothing to do with Russia, remember?
It's outrage. Your hysteria always gives you away. And I didn't mention Hillary's sloppy anything. My post clearly reads "Clinton Foundation." I don't recall seeing any posts from you regarding the foreign dealings of the Clinton Family Slush Fund and that's why your Biff Russian server outrage is so comical. It's not my fault you're a funny guy.
 
Obama's spies looked at the server, found nothing and, yet, the spying continued.

What did Obama know and when did he know it?
 
Obama's spies looked at the server, found nothing and, yet, the spying continued.

What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Let's find out....along with what did Trump do with Russia and when did he do it?

Let's get after it....ALL OF IT.

Let's stop dismissing Russian stories as unworthy of investigation and Democratic hysteria while focusing on tweets about wiretapping and a "no further comment" and no further proof will be coming two days later.

Let's get our investigation on and hash this crap out....ALL OF IT.
 
It's outrage. Your hysteria always gives you away. And I didn't mention Hillary's sloppy anything. My post clearly reads "Clinton Foundation." I don't recall seeing any posts from you regarding the foreign dealings of the Clinton Family Slush Fund and that's why your Biff Russian server outrage is so comical. It's not my fault you're a funny guy.

Again, I'm not outraged, I've been calling Biff a looming disaster from day one. I can't understand why he would have a dedicated server for a Russian bank if he has nothing to do with Russia. Any explanation for that?

I'm not up on the Clinton Family slush fund. Could you provide a link to that?
 
Again, I'm not outraged, I've been calling Biff a looming disaster from day one. I can't understand why he would have a dedicated server for a Russian bank if he has nothing to do with Russia. Any explanation for that?

I'm not up on the Clinton Family slush fund. Could you provide a link to that?

I don't know the context of Trump's claiming he had nothing to do "Russia." Do you? Did he mean the Russian government, or Russian investors in some of his real estate dealings? Haven't there been a Russian investor or two that bailed him out of some of his bankruptcies? If his dealings with "Russia" means his dealings with Russian investors who bankrolled him then it makes perfect sense that he would have a dedicated line to a Russian bank. But that leads to the question of who these investors are and do they have a direct connection to Putin or any of his cronies. How would it all tie together?

I agree that it ALL needs to have light shed upon it, including the dealings of the Clinton Foundation and the personal dealings of Bubba & Hillary.
 
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Again, I'm not outraged, I've been calling Biff a looming disaster from day one. I can't understand why he would have a dedicated server for a Russian bank if he has nothing to do with Russia. Any explanation for that?

I'm not up on the Clinton Family slush fund. Could you provide a link to that?

Seriously? You're unaware of the Clinton Foundation scandals? Where government agents donated millions of dollars so they could meet with Hill when she was Sec of State? How Russia - Russia!!! - was awarded rights to our only supply of nuclear fission materials after it donated money to the Clinton Foundation? I'm surprised. I thought you were more up to date on current events.
 
Seriously? You're unaware of the Clinton Foundation scandals? Where government agents donated millions of dollars so they could meet with Hill when she was Sec of State? How Russia - Russia!!! - was awarded rights to our only supply of nuclear fission materials after it donated money to the Clinton Foundation? I'm surprised. I thought you were more up to date on current events.
He's very aware. Don't let his "who, me?" routine fool you. The Party doesn't allow independent thought, privately or publicly, so you'll never see him criticize or question the Party or any of its leaders. He's a good bootlicker. His programmed response to everything is "Republicans! Conservatives! Trump!" His posts are always the same, and consist of nothing but Party talking points. It's seriously one of the most entertaining aspects of this board.
 
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I can't understand why he would have a dedicated server for a Russian bank if he has nothing to do with Russia. Any explanation for that?
Where's the evidence that he had a "dedicated server for a Russian bank?" Keep in mind I don't read the same liberal rags you do.

I'm not up on the Clinton Family slush fund. Could you provide a link to that?
Chuckle...
 
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It's outrage. Your hysteria always gives you away. And I didn't mention Hillary's sloppy anything. My post clearly reads "Clinton Foundation." I don't recall seeing any posts from you regarding the foreign dealings of the Clinton Family Slush Fund and that's why your Biff Russian server outrage is so comical. It's not my fault you're a funny guy.
And your attempts to characterize any criticism as "hyperventilating", "hysterics", et al is wearing thin. Admit you don't have substantive responses and stop sounding like s tool.
 
And your attempts to characterize any criticism as "hyperventilating", "hysterics", et al is wearing thin. Admit you don't have substantive responses and stop sounding like s tool.
Lol. When you lefties quit acting like hysterical hyperventilating panty waists I'll quit calling you out on it. Deal?

For the record, I can't recall ever using "hyperventilating" in a post, let alone in this thread, so the use of "" is interesting davidallen. But it's a great description so I'm going to add it to my repertoire.
 
Lol. When you lefties quit acting like hysterical hyperventilating panty waists I'll quit calling you out on it. Deal?

For the record, I can't recall ever using "hyperventilating" in a post, let alone in this thread, so the use of "" is interesting davidallen. But it's a great description so I'm going to add it to my repertoire.
Deal!

You use an ad hominem to indicate when you have no substance. I will ignore those posts.

Have I got it right?
 
Deal!

You use an ad hominem to indicate when you have no substance. I will ignore those posts.

Have I got it right?
You're sharp enough to catch when I'm being serious and when I'm not. If I'm responding to hysteria, my reply is likely as retarded as the post I'm responding to, so feel free to skip over it even if it's your post.
 
Let's find out....along with what did Trump do with Russia and when did he do it?

Let's get after it....ALL OF IT.

Let's stop dismissing Russian stories as unworthy of investigation and Democratic hysteria while focusing on tweets about wiretapping and a "no further comment" and no further proof will be coming two days later.

Let's get our investigation on and hash this crap out....ALL OF IT.
Like mega, put the ****ing cards on the ****ing table. Let's hang the liar, whoever the **** that is.
 
This Trump campaign / Russian thing needs to be looked into. Russia has been accused of trying to influence the election in Trumps favor, if there was collusion, then heads need to roll..........Looking into it does not mean it happened, but we need to know for sure. I will say though, the more President Trump keeps sending these high school level tweets, the more guilty it makes his staff look..........he is starting to act like the Baylor Athletic Department, if he would just stop , and let the system work ( the way it will whether he tweets or not) it would die, at least in the public forum, but each time it starts to fade, he sends out some stupid accusing tweet like he did Saturday , and no matter what he thinks, it makes it look like he is just trying to deflect attention
 
Seriously? You're unaware of the Clinton Foundation scandals? Where government agents donated millions of dollars so they could meet with Hill when she was Sec of State? How Russia - Russia!!! - was awarded rights to our only supply of nuclear fission materials after it donated money to the Clinton Foundation? I'm surprised. I thought you were more up to date on current events.

Oh, I've heard cons "hyperventilate" about them for a while but every time I take time to look at those "scandals" during the Obama administration they're a tempest in a teapot. Truthfully, I never bothered to look at the uranium deal, so I just sat down and googled "clinton uranium deal Russia" and found this on the first search page:

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

And this article, which adds these facts: The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation, the Times reported, because the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.
and

"Given that Russia doesn’t have the licenses to export uranium outside the United States, it was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer, our colleagues said."

Poncadan, you'll never get the straight truth from medic. Look no farther than Trump and the way they circulate that stuff that's plainly wrong.

Regarding the Clinton Foundation and pay for play, the above article touched on it. I'll agree 100% she's corrupt -- I called her out before the election for enabling Iraq war, failed at health care reform and did nothing to justify her standing beyond get elected or appointed as SOS. Plus, I saw her with my own eyes just pass out 2 - 3 times during the campaign, and she denied it. It was on FILM.

But I've quit chasing these conservative "scandals" because every time I do, it's not what is represented and it's a waste of my time. They tried to whip up a scandal at every turn, including wholecloth fabrication (birth certificate) and Biff lying about what he found. Remember that?

This is a pretty good example -- you wrote, "How Russia - Russia!!! - was awarded rights to our only supply of nuclear fission materials after it donated money to the Clinton Foundation?" and that's inaccurate. Russia did not receive an "award of rights", they can't get uranium out of the country if we don't want it, we've traded them uranium for years, Russia did not make the contributions, and the guy that made those gave up his stake in the subject company years before the government (again, not Hillary, if you read up on it).

Also, Medic and I have a past. He's a rabid skeptic of carbon-induced climate change. When you finally scrub him down, he doesn't beleive the science because it came from either government money or private money. I'm not shitting you -- that's the spirit of intellectual honesty he brings to the table. He only believes like... landscapers or ophthalmologists about climatology issues. maybe a good plumber. So... no. I haven't wasted time (beyond this post) looking into his offered "scandals."
 
Also @Ponca Dan please note Mr. Medic introduced the ad hominem attacks in the thread. He's a troll and generally brings kind of a personal animus to this stuff. I don't have him on ignore, but I don't really read his stuff any more, either.
 
this entire russian scandal is out of the whitewater playbook
This Trump campaign / Russian thing needs to be looked into. Russia has been accused of trying to influence the election in Trumps favor, if there was collusion, then heads need to roll..........Looking into it does not mean it happened, but we need to know for sure. I will say though, the more President Trump keeps sending these high school level tweets, the more guilty it makes his staff look..........he is starting to act like the Baylor Athletic Department, if he would just stop , and let the system work ( the way it will whether he tweets or not) it would die, at least in the public forum, but each time it starts to fade, he sends out some stupid accusing tweet like he did Saturday , and no matter what he thinks, it makes it look like he is just trying to deflect attention

what do you think about hillary signing off on supplying russia with 20% of our uranium?

should heads roll for this or wait until it gets lobbed back to us on an icbm?
 
Also @Ponca Dan please note Mr. Medic introduced the ad hominem attacks in the thread. He's a troll and generally brings kind of a personal animus to this stuff. I don't have him on ignore, but I don't really read his stuff any more, either.
Lol again! Your posts need no commentary from me. Like Cousin Eddie said, "I don't know why they call this stuff hamburger helper. It does just fine by itself, huh?"

You're still butt hurt I called you out on your "Guys, I'm just like you and own a bunch of guns but we need common sense gun reform like banning semiauto hanguns" bullshit. That's one you still haven't recovered from and likely never will because you'll have to admit your blatant dishonesty. But keep trying Cupcake. It's all entertaining to me.
 
Oh, I've heard cons "hyperventilate" about them for a while but every time I take time to look at those "scandals" during the Obama administration they're a tempest in a teapot. Truthfully, I never bothered to look at the uranium deal, so I just sat down and googled "clinton uranium deal Russia" and found this on the first search page:

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

And this article, which adds these facts: The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation, the Times reported, because the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.
and

"Given that Russia doesn’t have the licenses to export uranium outside the United States, it was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer, our colleagues said."

Poncadan, you'll never get the straight truth from medic. Look no farther than Trump and the way they circulate that stuff that's plainly wrong.

Regarding the Clinton Foundation and pay for play, the above article touched on it. I'll agree 100% she's corrupt -- I called her out before the election for enabling Iraq war, failed at health care reform and did nothing to justify her standing beyond get elected or appointed as SOS. Plus, I saw her with my own eyes just pass out 2 - 3 times during the campaign, and she denied it. It was on FILM.

But I've quit chasing these conservative "scandals" because every time I do, it's not what is represented and it's a waste of my time. They tried to whip up a scandal at every turn, including wholecloth fabrication (birth certificate) and Biff lying about what he found. Remember that?

This is a pretty good example -- you wrote, "How Russia - Russia!!! - was awarded rights to our only supply of nuclear fission materials after it donated money to the Clinton Foundation?" and that's inaccurate. Russia did not receive an "award of rights", they can't get uranium out of the country if we don't want it, we've traded them uranium for years, Russia did not make the contributions, and the guy that made those gave up his stake in the subject company years before the government (again, not Hillary, if you read up on it).

Also, Medic and I have a past. He's a rabid skeptic of carbon-induced climate change. When you finally scrub him down, he doesn't beleive the science because it came from either government money or private money. I'm not shitting you -- that's the spirit of intellectual honesty he brings to the table. He only believes like... landscapers or ophthalmologists about climatology issues. maybe a good plumber. So... no. I haven't wasted time (beyond this post) looking into his offered "scandals."

Here's my problem with your response. Snopes has a very sketchy reputation for reliability. Like virtually every other site I know of, they have taken sides and spin everything to their side's advantage. I don't trust their reporting.

I appreciate your acknowledgement that the Clintons are corrupt. I believe Hillary is one of the most corrupt politicians in American history.

It does not pass the smell test to me that Hillary was removed from granting those rights to the Russians, when her foundation received donations of over $100 million from people who stood to profit from such a grant. The snopes reporter can spin it with all his persuasive power, but I have a very hard time buying it.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.

While it is true that Medic started the ad hominem attacks, I would encourage you to ignore such impertinence. Please avoid replying in kind. It does no one any good, only serves to harden feelings and political positions, and ruins what could be - and should be - an objective conversation.
 
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When you finally scrub him down, he doesn't beleive the science because it came from either government money or private money. I'm not shitting you -- that's the spirit of intellectual honesty he brings to the table. He only believes like... landscapers or ophthalmologists about climatology issues. maybe a good plumber. So... no. I haven't wasted time (beyond this post) looking into his offered "scandals."
Hahaha! Right on cue.

Lemme help ya step outside your little liberal talking points box syskatine. This stuff uses big words, so take your time and let me know if you need help. Baby steps for you to start thinking on your own, Cupcake...

Don't be afraid to look big guy
 
While it is true that Medic started the ad hominem attacks, I would encourage you to ignore such impertinence. Please avoid replying in kind.
He cries real tears when he gets trampled at his own game. He hasn't figured out Candy Land isn't really difficult for anyone but him. If he deserved something more substantive than snide comments, he wouldn't be the board's punching bag day after day.
 
He cries real tears when he gets trampled at his own game. He hasn't figured out Candy Land isn't really difficult for anyone but him. If he deserved something more substantive than snide comments, he wouldn't be the board's punching bag day after day.

Really, you two! If you want we can all meet in some public place, you can drop your pants (I assume you're both guys), I'll get a ruler out and we can settle things once and for all.
 
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Really, you two! If you want we can all meet in some public place, you can drop your pants (I assume you're both guys), I'll get a ruler out and we can settle things once and for all.
I'm just rustling syskatines jimmies. I like him and he likes me. We're yin and yang, oreos and milk, steak and potatoes, OU and OSU. It's a special kind of like. He just gets emotional some days, especially if I haven't been abusing him regularly.
 
I'm just rustling syskatines jimmies. I like him and he likes me. We're yin and yang, oreos and milk, steak and potatoes, OU and OSU. It's a special kind of like. He just gets emotional some days, especially if I haven't been abusing him regularly.

OK. Well, I'll quit worrying about it.
 
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Here's my problem with your response. Snopes has a very sketchy reputation for reliability. Like virtually every other site I know of, they have taken sides and spin everything to their side's advantage. I don't trust their reporting.

I appreciate your acknowledgement that the Clintons are corrupt. I believe Hillary is one of the most corrupt politicians in American history.

It does not pass the smell test to me that Hillary was removed from granting those rights to the Russians, when her foundation received donations of over $100 million from people who stood to profit from such a grant. The snopes reporter can spin it with all his persuasive power, but I have a very hard time buying it.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.

While it is true that Medic started the ad hominem attacks, I would encourage you to ignore such impertinence. Please avoid replying in kind. It does no one any good, only serves to harden feelings and political positions, and ruins what could be - and should be - an objective conversation.
Can you point me to an example of Snopes bias? Actual concrete example? I have seen several accusations of the founder, funding, but no examples that I can recall of bias in their analysis.
 
this entire russian scandal is out of the whitewater playbook


what do you think about hillary signing off on supplying russia with 20% of our uranium?

should heads roll for this or wait until it gets lobbed back to us on an icbm?
First and foremost, I am not a Clinton supporter but 9 federal agencies plus the NRC and the IAEA signed off on it and the Russians are not allowed to remove any of it from the US , as long as it was legit I have no problem with it. But it was investigated, just as any of this should be
 
Can you point me to an example of Snopes bias? Actual concrete example? I have seen several accusations of the founder, funding, but no examples that I can recall of bias in their analysis.


I don't know how to do a link. Go to the Daily Caller, June 17, 2016. That's the best I'm willing to do on short notice.
 
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First and foremost, I am not a Clinton supporter but 9 federal agencies plus the NRC and the IAEA signed off on it and the Russians are not allowed to remove any of it from the US , as long as it was legit I have no problem with it. But it was investigated, just as any of this should be

Do you know who did the investigation?
 
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Can you point me to an example of Snopes bias? Actual concrete example? I have seen several accusations of the founder, funding, but no examples that I can recall of bias in their analysis.
Come on davidallen. The head in the sand approach never fits you well. Snopes is not a giant independent stalwart of truth. They use humans (of whom they mostly refuse to identify) as "fact checkers." Humans are easy prey to bias whether they think they are or not.

Here's a nice article that sums up the issues and concerns about Snopes being considered unbiased.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...tory-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/amp/
 
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