So is Transgendered the new gay?

[Inky29]

So my wife is watching the Golden Globes and so far every time I've walked into the living room they are talking about the transgendered community and the transgendered movement. So I'm just curious, is there really a huge transgendered movement out there? Is it the next class of folks that are being held back? I'm really just curious, admittedly I know of no transgendered individuals so maybe this is something that's a big deal somewhere outside of Dallas.

 

[NipponPoke]

I'm thinking it mainly deals with the lesbian 'butch' community which seems to be far larger than transgender males. I'm just guessing as I have no direct experience with this community.

Jokes aside, there are a large number of transgendered people in Thailand, to the point you stop and wonder what the heck is going on. The whole culture is about two generations ahead of everyone else as no one even bats an eye. This might be how certain parts of our culture might look in the future. The number of butch lesbians ('toms') is just astounding and something that gets easily buried beneath the ladyboy jokes.

Roughly twenty percent of the women over there look like Roy Orbison.

This post was edited on 1/12 1:30 AM by NipponPoke

 

[MegaPoke]

I can't imagine how tough it would be to actually be transgendered but I don't see this as the next big civil rights battleground. I think it's just sort of the next thing to be for when you are famous and really want people to know how open minded you are.
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[anon_ph7vrsh7abnty]

Originally posted by Inky29:
So my wife is watching the Golden Globes and so far every time I've walked into the living room they are talking about the transgendered community and the transgendered movement. So I'm just curious, is there really a huge transgendered movement out there? Is it the next class of folks that are being held back? I'm really just curious, admittedly I know of no transgendered individuals so maybe this is something that's a big deal somewhere outside of Dallas.

Not a joke, but I feel like I was told Dallas was super gay by Texas standards.


Like, exceptional plating gay. Ok. Now that was a joke.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I guess im a bigot but gay men, men in dresses turns my stomach. I don't choose this reaction and don't have this reaction to lesbians or women in tuxedos. How do I explain this to my kids?

 

[100TonsofOrangeFury]

Originally posted by HighStickHarry:
I guess im a bigot but gay men, men in dresses turns my stomach. I don't choose this reaction and don't have this reaction to lesbians or women in tuxedos. How do I explain this to my kids?

I personally don't feel compelled to discuss this with my kids. So once you figure it out, let me know and you can explain it to them.

 

[Inky29]

I'm going with Mega's answer. Like I said, the two times I walked in last night it was talking about how they were going to change the world and so on and so on. I was just curious if I missed something.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by HighStickHarry:
I guess im a bigot but gay men, men in dresses turns my stomach. I don't choose this reaction and don't have this reaction to lesbians or women in tuxedos. How do I explain this to my kids?

Some people don't like pickles, you don't like gay men. Maybe use how they don't like something to explain why you don't like something. Shouldn't be that hard.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Luckily there is no pickle agenda

 

[squeak]

I don't know what's more annoying, people having a problem with transgender people or this in your face pro-transgender movement.
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[NipponPoke]

Originally posted by squeak:
I don't know what's more annoying, people having a problem with transgender people or this in your face pro-transgender movement.

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I consider myself a pretty open-minded person and don't have a single problem with any ethnic group, religion...heck, even Sooner fans.

Having said that, transgender men are the only group of people I absolutely can't stand to be around simply because of the incessant sexual innuendos. You can't have a normal conversation with a transgender or even walk by one without them trying rip your arm out of the socket.

Not a fan of these people.

 

[shortbus]

I'm only concerned about the really good looking ones. What if I've had too much too drink and don't know the difference until it's too late?
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[hollywood]

Nippon,

You're complaint isn't based on them being transgender, your complaint is about their behavior.

It's really no different than the woman in the bar who the straight guy goes and hits on, and for whatever reason she rebuffs his advances (already has a boyfriend to isn't interested) and he continues to hit on her, even well after she has made it clear to him. At that point, the fact that he is heterosexual, as is she, has NOTHING to do with what followed after she rebuffed him. It's solely about his boorish behavior.

I've been hit on gay guys from time to time and when I informed them I was straight, the vast, vast majority of them took it in stride and moved on. I really can't think of but one or two who persisted and even then their friends stepped in, pulled them away and apologized on behalf of their drunken friend.

This isn't a gay/straight/transgender thing as much as it is people who don't know how to take no for an answer, or don't show the respect for others that they expect for themselves. When I bartended, I couldn't begin to count the number of guys I had to give the acceptable behavior warning speech or have thrown out of the bar for excessively trying to hook up with the female clientele after the woman had told them no.

 

[cableok]

I am a live and let live person. If a person wants to be transgendered that is their right.

But I do have two issues:
1) the reaction with incorrect pronouns: I have a relative that announced two years ago they wanted to be a female. Since that announcement no surgery has occurred and with sole exception of longer hair, the person still looks like a man. Over Christmas someone used the term "he" and his mother about lost it. The person that said "he" was not trying to be rude and it was just a slip, but you would have thought from the mother's reaction that he punched the transgendered person in the face.

2) getting the government to pay for surgery and for insurance companies to be forced to cover gender reassignment surgery. This I 100% disagree with.

 

[CowboyJD]

Amazon has a show out about a transgendered individual. Also, Orange is the New Black has a prominent, post surgery transgender character played by a transgender actress.

Both are critically acclaimed and likely won several awards last night. I didn't watch, so I don't know for sure.

Probably just a timing thing from that.

 

[Anodyne]

I know a few trans-men, a trans-woman, and someone who identifies as bi-gender (the pronoun is 'they' or simply use the initial of their first name, which is tough to get used to but "they" are patient with your efforts). They're each as sexual or non-sexual as any straight person I know. They're all smart as hell and have incredible sociological insights. One's a billionaire who is weird as hell but was weird when she was a man. Identity issues make for great drama, which is why we see transgender folks appearing with greater frequency, as society comes to accept that they are not 'freaks' (echoing JD's comment about the Hollywood trend).

As a straight, white, cis-gender male, my privilege remains in tact no matter the behavior of others (unless I chose to revoke it, which is actually the ultimate in privilege). So I don't really care if anyone hits on me too much or if I find they're sartorial or sexual preferences differ from mine.

BTW I'm total bear bait, especially when I grow out my beard. Telling one I'm straight only increases the interest.

I welcome the emerging world of overlapping and complex sexual and gender identities. Anatomical males who prefer sexual contact with anatomical males but prefer amorous relationships with anatomical females; asexual bi-gender people who prefer amorous relationships with anatomical women; whatever.

 

[cableok]

Originally posted by Anodyne:
I know a few trans-men, a trans-woman, and someone who identifies as bi-gender (the pronoun is 'they' or simply use the initial of their first name, which is tough to get used to but "they" are patient with your efforts). They're each as sexual or non-sexual as any straight person I know. They're all smart as hell and have incredible sociological insights. One's a billionaire who is weird as hell but was weird when she was a man. Identity issues make for great drama, which is why we see transgender folks appearing with greater frequency, as society comes to accept that they are not 'freaks' (echoing JD's comment about the Hollywood trend).

As a straight, white, cis-gender male, my privilege remains in tact no matter the behavior of others (unless I chose to revoke it, which is actually the ultimate in privilege). So I don't really care if anyone hits on me too much or if I find they're sartorial or sexual preferences differ from mine.

BTW I'm total bear bait, especially when I grow out my beard. Telling one I'm straight only increases the interest.

I welcome the emerging world of overlapping and complex sexual and gender identities. Anatomical males who prefer sexual contact with anatomical males but prefer amorous relationships with anatomical females; asexual bi-gender people who prefer amorous relationships with anatomical women; whatever.

"My privilege"? If you are joking with this post ... then you got me.

 

[Anodyne]

Originally posted by cableok:

Originally posted by Anodyne:
I know a few trans-men, a trans-woman, and someone who identifies as bi-gender (the pronoun is 'they' or simply use the initial of their first name, which is tough to get used to but "they" are patient with your efforts). They're each as sexual or non-sexual as any straight person I know. They're all smart as hell and have incredible sociological insights. One's a billionaire who is weird as hell but was weird when she was a man. Identity issues make for great drama, which is why we see transgender folks appearing with greater frequency, as society comes to accept that they are not 'freaks' (echoing JD's comment about the Hollywood trend).

As a straight, white, cis-gender male, my privilege remains in tact no matter the behavior of others (unless I chose to revoke it, which is actually the ultimate in privilege). So I don't really care if anyone hits on me too much or if I find they're sartorial or sexual preferences differ from mine.

BTW I'm total bear bait, especially when I grow out my beard. Telling one I'm straight only increases the interest.

I welcome the emerging world of overlapping and complex sexual and gender identities. Anatomical males who prefer sexual contact with anatomical males but prefer amorous relationships with anatomical females; asexual bi-gender people who prefer amorous relationships with anatomical women; whatever.

"My privilege"? If you are joking with this post ... then you got me.

No I really think straight, white males (at least those that are able-bodied and not born into crushing poverty) have the most built-in advantage in this country. I don't feel guilty about it or feel like I owe people. But I can't help but recognize it.

 

[NipponPoke]

Originally posted by hollywood:
Nippon,

You're complaint isn't based on them being transgender, your complaint is about their behavior.

Yeah, and I think we're talking about two very different and unique cultures here. After you've been grabbed on occasion while just simply walking down the street (once in the nutsack), it tends to leave less than a favorable impression of this particular segment of the population.


This post was edited on 1/13 12:51 AM by NipponPoke

 

[hollywood]

Nippon,

I have heard very similar stories from a number of women who while traveling in Italy, Russia, etc. have been physically accosted and groped by men in public situations and their reaction has been near identical to yours.

 

[Anodyne]

Originally posted by hollywood:
Nippon,

I have heard very similar stories from a number of women who while traveling in Italy, Russia, etc. have been physically accosted and groped by men in public situations and their reaction has been near identical to yours.

I was thinking about the epidemic of public sexual assaults in India and Nepal. I wouldn't want to be judged due to the behavior of people involved there, who happen to share my gender and sexual preferences!

 

[AC_Exotic]

I was iin sales years ago and made one of my biggest paydays on a transgender dude when I called him ma'am.

People are going to do what they're going to do. Though I don't agree with it respect for them is always the best route.

The only thing that bothered me was when my kids were younger and they saw someone flaunting it. When we lived in Kansas that was common in the city we were living in.
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