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Russian jets buzz US Navy ships...again

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So I didn't catch the location where this occurred, I saw a video clip of Russian jets flying at very low altitude over one of our navy ships. Did we have a response to this? I certainly didn't see a Russian jet or two smoking heavily as it crashed into the sea.

Apparently his happened about two weeks ago.

Can't we have leadership that a guy like Putin will respect? Putin just grabbed Trump by the pussy.
 
I don't know what you expect us to do.............I am not Trump supporter, but we will not shoot down any Russian aircraft buzzing our ships, it happens all the time and we do the same thing on occasion...............
 
COWBOYintheUK said:
I don't know what you expect us to do.............I am not Trump supporter, but we will not shoot down any Russian aircraft buzzing our ships, it happens all the time and we do the same thing on occasion...............
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It's pretty simple. Determine a reasonable distance that you believe is non-threatening. Decide you're not going to tolerate any infringement naide that distance. Inform the world of your decision. When somebody tries to grab you by the pussy, show them there is a giant set of balls there instead by eliminating the threat.

Be equal opportunity about it. You treat a Russian jet the same as you would treat a little piss ant Iranian speed boat.

See? Simple.
 
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wyomingosualum said:
It's pretty simple. Determine a reasonable distance that you believe is non-threatening. Decide you're not going to tolerate any infringement naide that distance. Inform the world of your decision. When somebody tries to grab you by the pussy, show them there is a giant set of balls there instead by eliminating the threat.

Be equal opportunity about it. You treat a Russian jet the same as you would treat a little piss ant Iranian speed boat.

See? Simple.
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That is pretty much what is done......but.......there is no way we are going to shoot down a Russian aircraft. Sink an Iranian speedboat?....Maybe...........The Russians ( and us have done this for decades) ...........We have ways to determine if an aircraft is an actual threat or not.......the Russians know what they can and cannot do, and they will nor cross the line
 
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Furthermore, we give everybody else the same courtesy that we expect, unless some extraordinary circumstance exists, such as a blockade, for example.
 
wyomingosualum said:
Furthermore, we give everybody else the same courtesy that we expect, unless some extraordinary circumstance exists, such as a blockade, for example.
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As I said , we do the same thing to their ships........do you actually think that Russian Intell ship off of Florida right now is not getting a few close flybys ?
 
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COWBOYintheUK said:
As I said , we do the same thing to their ships........do you actually think that Russian Intell ship off of Florida right now is not getting a few close flybys ?
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I'm sure it is. What countermeasures do we employ to defeat their intel gathering efforts?
 
wyomingosualum said:
I'm sure it is. What countermeasures do we employ to defeat their intel gathering efforts?
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I have no idea, but are they really gathering meaningful intel? What intel can they gather from that ship that they couldn't get by renting a building wherever they want and putting in whatever technology they want? We're a pretty open country and getting within a few miles of sensitive data in the U.S. is pretty easy I would think.
 
A ship being mobile can actually gather a lot of info, plus it can be outfitted in port with huge amounts of equipment. The key is knowing where it is and what it's capabilities are and we just limit our sensitive electromagnetic emissions when it is in range. Any sensitive communication will be either encrypted or using anti monitoring techniques. Plus you can feed them inaccurate intel.
 
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I have no idea, but are they really gathering meaningful intel? What intel can they gather from that ship that they couldn't get by renting a building wherever they want and putting in whatever technology they want? We're a pretty open country and getting within a few miles of sensitive data in the U.S. is pretty easy I would think.
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You're headed where I was going. If something isn't really a threat, then that's an orange in the apple bowl I'm speaking about. If we have ways of making that ship's intel gathering ineffective, then who cares?

But two fighter jets encroaching on a destroyer, that's a different story.
 
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As I said, we have ways of determining if they are a threat or not, sometimes the flybys are to gather intel ( radar frequency, detect range.... etc) but usually it's just to remind us that they are watching us
 
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As I said, we have ways of determining if they are a threat or not, sometimes the flybys are to gather intel ( radar frequency, detect range.... etc) but usually it's just to remind us that they are watching us
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We have ways of determining that a pilot won't make a last-second change of course and fire?
 
There are a sequence of steps a pilot has to complete before they could fire, at least anything that could be a threat, and yes we can detect which and when each step is initiated
 
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wyomingosualum said:
It's pretty simple. Determine a reasonable distance that you believe is non-threatening. Decide you're not going to tolerate any infringement naide that distance. Inform the world of your decision. When somebody tries to grab you by the pussy, show them there is a giant set of balls there instead by eliminating the threat.

Be equal opportunity about it. You treat a Russian jet the same as you would treat a little piss ant Iranian speed boat.

See? Simple.
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No. We've played cat and mouse games with the Russians ever since we both had boats. Happens with subs, boats and planes; sometimes as the cat, sometimes as the mouse.
 
COWBOYintheUK said:
There are a sequence of steps a pilot has to complete before they could fire, at least anything that could be a threat, and yes we can detect which and when each step is initiated
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Interesting. If our detections are 100% foolproof and we know in advance of each change in technology that they implement in order to try to defeat our detection capabilities, that's different. Personally, though, I'm not sure I'd want to take that chance. But that's just me.
 
It's going to take some extreme provocation to shoot down a Russian jet. Ships locate them by radar and track them long before their seen. I'm sure their pilots hear a tone when our missiles lock on to them. If they were to fire on one of our ships their planes would be destroyed the moment we detected them firing.

The Iranian boats are a different matter. We could easily blow them out of the water but at what price? Those crazy Mullah bastards would have no problem sinking a tanker/cargo ship in the Straits of Hormuz (or sailing one of theirs out and blowing it up) and effectively shutting off oil to a large portion of the world for an extended period of time with the resulting economic consequences.
 
wyomingosualum said:
Interesting. If our detections are 100% foolproof and we know in advance of each change in technology that they implement in order to try to defeat our detection capabilities, that's different. Personally, though, I'm not sure I'd want to take that chance. But that's just me.
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No matter what they change,fundamentally there are certain things that have to happen, one very basic thing is they have to achieve a radar lock, which we can detect, that is considered an aggressive step and we would counter that. To launch any kind of weapon they have to do certain things all of which can be detected and countered. I can promise when these flybys occurr their radar is operated in a specifically non agressive mode and they are not engage in any active jamming, either offensive or defensive, they purposely present themselves as an easy target
 
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On one of my first deployments in the USAF we took 4 F-111Ds to Tyndall AFB Florida, part of the exercise was to do simulated attacks on Navy ships in the Gulf of Mexico, two of our Aircrews got what they thought was their target, a USN Frigate on radar and decided to really give them a show, they dropped down to 120 feet, one F-111 went over the bow the other the stern at Mach 1.2 the sonic boom shattered several windows on the ship........the wrong ship, happened to be a Russian Intel ship monitoring the exercise.......a formal ( secret) apology was issued to the USSR
 
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Just like interfering in elections, of which the Russians have no exclusivity doing, this stuff happens often.

Sure as soon as the aircraft are picked up on radar their are tracked and counter measures are begun. If we didn't do anything when the Chinese forced down our aircraft on Hainan Island years back, we certainly aren't going to do anything about this. Unlike the ex-rodent in chiefs brilliant Libian meddeling, these guys can actually fight back.

By the way UK, did you see where Sweden has reinstituited the draft for men and now women. Seems our NATO ally can't keep their manpower levels topped off with volunteers, so back to the draft. Sure it's just a blip on the allies radar though.
 
I am surprised to find out Sweden isn't actually in NATO.
 
COWBOYintheUK said:
On one of my first deployments in the USAF we took 4 F-111Ds to Tyndall AFB Florida, part of the exercise was to do simulated attacks on Navy ships in the Gulf of Mexico, two of our Aircrews got what they thought was their target, a USN Frigate on radar and decided to really give them a show, they dropped down to 120 feet, one F-111 went over the bow the other the stern at Mach 1.2 the sonic boom shattered several windows on the ship........the wrong ship, happened to be a Russian Intel ship monitoring the exercise.......a formal ( secret) apology was issued to the USSR
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That is really funny. Id like to be a russian-understanding fly on the wall on that ship after ya'll blew their windows out.
 
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