They slayed the bush dragon and the war chest that was his super pac. Now it is Donald mother ****ing trump inevitably going head to head for leader of the free world. I hope they know what they are doing.
Republicans have nuts I will say that
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Fox News not having the will of the people at all. Seems to be like roporting live from inside a runaway stagecoach.
Trump is Trump, Cruz is Cruz, and Rubio is who the Establishment is left with.
The difference in the two dorks and Trump is incredible. I don't agree with trump on certain issues that are important to me, but his charisma is incredible. Watching his speeches after SC and Nevada, then comparing them to Cruz's and Rubio's speeches, it's just night and day. Trump gets people excited, the two dorks just put people to sleep.
I get that it's a matter of personal taste, but I don't find Trump charismatic at all. I find his behavior loathsome and his speeches entirely without substance or valuable insight. I find him amusing in a lowest common denominator kind of way. That's about it.
That's almost exactly where I am. It was amusing at first, now it looks like it is actually going to be Trump vs. Hillary for President. It should be an interesting show....I'm just curious as to how much it is going to cost.
No, the other two "candidates" won't beat him, nor is he electable.
Hillary might be in some hot water today over the e-mails. It will be Trump vs Bernie in an all out death race.
Agree 100%.
And if Hillary is not under indictment, she will capture 55% of the popular vote against Trump. If it was Cruz vs Trump or Rubio vs Trump either would win the nomination comfortably.
He's done a masterful job of using the GOP system against itself. It is refreshing to have a candidate not too afraid to be politically incorrect, but it isn't necessary to do it in as crude of a manner as he has done. And other than on immigration (for which he took a diametrically opposite position as recently as 2013), he hardly stands for anything that most on here espouse.
It does promise to be an entertaining general if it is Trump vs. HRC.
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No that's Trump, I'm talking about.
I don't find Obama particularly charismatic either though.
Huh? Certainly that is not what the polls say. Just about every major poll has Rubio over Clinton. I would say that is Rubio's best quality. He can appeal to swing voters and has the best chance of winning the general election among the Top Republican candidates.
I also don't get Trump's appeal. But if he stays on top and wins the nomination, I am sure going to vote for him over Clinton..
I never bought into the liberal assertion that "we" conservatives were so monolithic that it lended itself to inflexibility and homogeny, yet that is exactly what I'm forced to accept by the demonstrations I see, again, from this board, National Review, etc.
The past few months have been eye-opening to say the least.
To be clear, I consider myself mostly libertarian with conservative sympathies (or lean). I challenge the full range of political positions. I think "progressives" are generally awful and/or misguided, classical liberals are generally reasonable, libertarians are the most flexible in thought (or they're anarchists in libertarian's clothing) and generally advocate the most practical* positions, center right conservatives are generally harmless folks who want to live and let live, and far right voters are generally single issue voters. Just observation and the sample size is limited to those I observe through certain channels, so it's obviously open to bias.
I think Trump has a better than average chance in the general. Similar to the notion that "fear and greed" are the governing emotions in most of business, "fear or enthusiasm" could apply to politics.
"Fear" of Hillary > "Fear" of Trump -- by voters in the opposite ideological half.
Enthusiasm may be about equal. Or enthusiasm may slightly favor Trump.
This is, most definitely, an election cycle fueled by anti-establishment sentiment.
The thing that really gets me this cycle....
I've generally believed, through constructive discourse, that "conservatives" were guided by a more grounded intelligence. That grounding, to me, equated into a better intelligence. Now I'm observing on this board, and more dishearteningly, on National Review, a full out conniption at not getting your way due to the assertions that Trump doesn't pass this conservative puritanical test or that conservative puritanical test. Further I'm observing some folks that would vote democrat 4 (or more) out of 5 times stating that indeed they'd be open to a Trump presidency, ESPECIALLY when put against the possibility of a Hillary presidency.
Besides some of the horrible positions progressives take, the overarching connector in what draws my ire and willingness to battle them is their "my way or the highway" (also) puritanical version of reality and of politics.
I don't want to be part of a party that believes every single position they've adopted is 100% the will of God, or whatever. That's nuts, and it's both disrespectful to positions of equal merit though differing on preference. I'm not talking about big government versus small government type arguments, there is demonstrated budgetary and civil responsiveness efficiency gained from a smaller government closer to its citizenry (to a threshold at least).
.....
And now...that I stop a second to think about why I'm typing all this, I can't come up with a valid answer, both clusters of zealotry on this board are "walls" with whom I may as well be "reasoning" with. Friggin' dumb.
Hey leftists, get over yourselves. Hey rightists, get over yourselves. Your inability to do so (both of you) is why everybody is so frustrated. Believe it or not, after your wives or husbands, you're "married" to people on the opposing side of the political spectrum...they ain't going anywhere. And just as you feel "abused" by their monolithic rule, so do they feel about yours.
The past few months have been eye-opening to say the least.
To be clear, I consider myself mostly libertarian with conservative sympathies (or lean). I challenge the full range of political positions. I think "progressives" are generally awful and/or misguided, classical liberals are generally reasonable, libertarians are the most flexible in thought (or they're anarchists in libertarian's clothing) and generally advocate the most practical* positions, center right conservatives are generally harmless folks who want to live and let live, and far right voters are generally single issue voters. Just observation and the sample size is limited to those I observe through certain channels, so it's obviously open to bias.
I think Trump has a better than average chance in the general. Similar to the notion that "fear and greed" are the governing emotions in most of business, "fear or enthusiasm" could apply to politics.
"Fear" of Hillary > "Fear" of Trump -- by voters in the opposite ideological half.
Enthusiasm may be about equal. Or enthusiasm may slightly favor Trump.
This is, most definitely, an election cycle fueled by anti-establishment sentiment.
The thing that really gets me this cycle....
I've generally believed, through constructive discourse, that "conservatives" were guided by a more grounded intelligence. That grounding, to me, equated into a better intelligence. Now I'm observing on this board, and more dishearteningly, on National Review, a full out conniption at not getting your way due to the assertions that Trump doesn't pass this conservative puritanical test or that conservative puritanical test. Further I'm observing some folks that would vote democrat 4 (or more) out of 5 times stating that indeed they'd be open to a Trump presidency, ESPECIALLY when put against the possibility of a Hillary presidency.
Besides some of the horrible positions progressives take, the overarching connector in what draws my ire and willingness to battle them is their "my way or the highway" (also) puritanical version of reality and of politics.
I don't want to be part of a party that believes every single position they've adopted is 100% the will of God, or whatever. That's nuts, and it's both disrespectful to positions of equal merit though differing on preference. I'm not talking about big government versus small government type arguments, there is demonstrated budgetary and civil responsiveness efficiency gained from a smaller government closer to its citizenry (to a threshold at least).
.....
And now...that I stop a second to think about why I'm typing all this, I can't come up with a valid answer, both clusters of zealotry on this board are "walls" with whom I may as well be "reasoning" with. Friggin' dumb.
Hey leftists, get over yourselves. Hey rightists, get over yourselves. Your inability to do so (both of you) is why everybody is so frustrated. Believe it or not, after your wives or husbands, you're "married" to people on the opposing side of the political spectrum...they ain't going anywhere. And just as you feel "abused" by their monolithic rule, so do they feel about yours.
C Brad, Trump doesn't pass ANY conservative test. Why should anyone who is a conservative, or specifically National Review, support Trump, if they do not believe him to be a conservative?
He demonstrably, by any reasonable test, is not.
He demonstrably, by any reasonable test, is not.
I understand that sentiment.
The more I've read and listened, to bother Trump directly and those who argue for or against, the more I witness some positions attached to him, or the argumentative supporting evidence thereof, is lacking or not presented fully in context.
For a place like NR, I expect near perfection. As they take the position of holding themselves to a higher standard, so too do they reap the consequences (with me at least), of having me now challenge their proclamations more ardently.
The more I've read and listened, to bother Trump directly and those who argue for or against, the more I witness some positions attached to him, or the argumentative supporting evidence thereof, is lacking or not presented fully in context.
For a place like NR, I expect near perfection. As they take the position of holding themselves to a higher standard, so too do they reap the consequences (with me at least), of having me now challenge their proclamations more ardently.
As an example of what I mean...not 2 hours ago I watched a snippet of an interview between Trump and Pat Roberts. Trump stated that he would undo the executive actions Obama has put into place.
He further stated that there's a process to action, and it goes through the legislative branch.
I'd consider that a pretty conservative position. If it's not, it ought to be.
He further stated that there's a process to action, and it goes through the legislative branch.
I'd consider that a pretty conservative position. If it's not, it ought to be.
(That's only 1 example of why I'm not buying that Trump is all bad. I can articulate more later, when I'm through with the process that puts me in a position to pay taxes)
Last spring seven OSU buddies and I went to Scotland for a golf trip. Several times at different locales (including Trump International) our caddies asked us, "so are you guys going to nominate and elect Trump?". Everyone of us just scoffed at the idea and replied there was virtually no chance that he was electable. Boy I'm glad we don't have to face those caddies again....they were more astute about the political climate in America than we were!
My problem with The Donald (other than he in my opinion hasn't even been a successful business man and he's really a bombastic, rogue, charlatan) is he's just not Presidential.....whatever that is.
I think Trump is getting the majority of overseas press thus far. I talk often with contacts overseas and they're just shaking their heads at the success he is getting. I was abroad during the 2004 election and the foreign attitude at the time was pretty ugly. Would imagine the same with Trump.
Keep writing Trump off, it's worked well for the old Republican bulls so far.
People don't understand just how clever Trump is. He's already got the people who are super pissed at Republicans and the government. Then he attacks GWB about the Iraq war and lying. He then said we weren't going to let people die in the streets and he constantly talks about taking jobs back from other countries.
What all that does is give cover to Democrats that can't stand the Bush name, he also gives the socialized medicine crowd cover by saying we're going to take care of the poor, and he gives union workers a good reason to vote for him by saying he's going to bring back jobs. People are sick and tired of business as usual and Trump most definitely is not that.
Hillary Clinton might be the worst natural politician I've ever seen. Trump will beat her down so hard she won't know what hit her.
I predict Trump wins both the nomination and the Presidency.
People don't understand just how clever Trump is. He's already got the people who are super pissed at Republicans and the government. Then he attacks GWB about the Iraq war and lying. He then said we weren't going to let people die in the streets and he constantly talks about taking jobs back from other countries.
What all that does is give cover to Democrats that can't stand the Bush name, he also gives the socialized medicine crowd cover by saying we're going to take care of the poor, and he gives union workers a good reason to vote for him by saying he's going to bring back jobs. People are sick and tired of business as usual and Trump most definitely is not that.
Hillary Clinton might be the worst natural politician I've ever seen. Trump will beat her down so hard she won't know what hit her.
I predict Trump wins both the nomination and the Presidency.
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Another thing that none of the sheep seem to care about is that Trump is self-funded.
So, self funded, tough on immigration, pro second amendment, tax reformer, repeal obamacare, reverse executive orders, bring jobs back to America, Christian (winning with evangelicals)....what am I missing? Oh, he has a hot wife and wants to ban Muslims from coming into America.
The republicans are hell bent on trotting out the same ole robot candidate and losing. It's why I left the party. Trump is crazy and says a lot of stupid shit, but man he is a breath of fresh air. . Anyone who can give the media, the Democratic Party, and the republican establishment the finger, is alright in my book.
Carly was my girl, but good grief following her on Twitter was so lame. Her picture was stupid. Her tweets about her stupid ****ing dog and husband were nauseating. At least trump, whether you like his approach or not, is fighting. He is all over the place...Twitter, tv, newspapers...everywhere. He determines what is and isn't news. He's killing it.
So, self funded, tough on immigration, pro second amendment, tax reformer, repeal obamacare, reverse executive orders, bring jobs back to America, Christian (winning with evangelicals)....what am I missing? Oh, he has a hot wife and wants to ban Muslims from coming into America.
The republicans are hell bent on trotting out the same ole robot candidate and losing. It's why I left the party. Trump is crazy and says a lot of stupid shit, but man he is a breath of fresh air. . Anyone who can give the media, the Democratic Party, and the republican establishment the finger, is alright in my book.
Carly was my girl, but good grief following her on Twitter was so lame. Her picture was stupid. Her tweets about her stupid ****ing dog and husband were nauseating. At least trump, whether you like his approach or not, is fighting. He is all over the place...Twitter, tv, newspapers...everywhere. He determines what is and isn't news. He's killing it.
Thought(s) for Headhunter/Squeak: He plays the media like a banjo; just shovel it and the groveler's eat it without ever checking. Check out his past positions and sudden changes; hell, I'm closer to being the second coming of Christ, than he is to being a republican.
He plays the media and the GOP establishment like a Stradivarius but he can't possibly be playing voters. Right?
Republicans in DC aren't even Republicans.
Here's what I REALLY don't get......
If he is admittedly (by you) crazy and admittedly (by you) says lot of stupid shit....
Is being a breath of fresh air REALLY sufficient reason to vote to make him the President of the United States?
Because if it is, Charlie Sheen should be leading the race.
I never said that.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say or claim you did.
I merely asked the question.
So what do you think?
Is it or not?
I didn't say or claim you did.
I merely asked the question.
So what do you think?
Is it or not?[/QUOTE]
What was Einstein's definition of insanity?
Don't understand the oblique reference.
Is it or not seems subject to a pretty straightforward answer.
Just saying....
No.
What's the end game? To win the election or nominate a RINO that won't win the election?
I'm not sure what the end game is for Republicans. I'm not one.
My personal end game regarding Trump is that IMO he's a pretty all around atrocious person that would in all likelihood would make an awful President...so I'd rather he not end up the nominee.
