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Reasons Why The 2020 Presidential Election Is Puzzling

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Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling | Spectator USA

We keep hearing from the "I hate Trump" crowd that we are just sore losers and haven't come to grips with losing an election never mind their four years of REEEEEEIng Russia at every turn, but not one has answered any of our questions or addressed any of our concerns. While they want to brand all of this as nothing but conspiracy theory so they can ignore it all, the concerns need to be addressed and legitimately explained or Biden will be considered a illegitimate President by half the country.
Remember we had to appoint a Special Council to address the concerns leftist had with Russia and were rewarded with 4 years of lies, distortions and corruption from Democrats and the MSM. Now that we have concerns with some real evidence leftist want to ignore it all by claiming it's all a conspiracy theory. Sorry but that is not going to work.
 
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Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling | Spectator USA

We keep hearing from the "I hate Trump" crowd that we are just sore losers and haven't come to grips with losing an election never mind their four years of REEEEEEIng Russia at every turn, but not one has answered any of our questions or addressed any of our concerns. While they want to brand all of this as nothing but conspiracy theory so they can ignore it all, the concerns need to be addressed and legitimately explained or Biden will be considered a illegitimate President by half the country.
Remember we had to appoint a Special Council to address the concerns leftist had with Russia and were rewarded with 4 years of lies, distortions and corruption from Democrats and the MSM. Now that we have concerns with some real evidence leftist want to ignore it all by claiming it's all a conspiracy theory. Sorry but that is not going to work.
Enumerate the concerns - at least the top 2 or 3. This hodge lodge of bullshit from Trump isn't coherent enough to bother with...
 
A compilation of twenty alleged election 'facts' that don't pass the smell test

By Andrea Widburg

Americans have common sense, so they can understand when they're being played (for example, when politicians place Americans under house arrest and then ignore their own rules to party and travel). And they know there is no way on God's green earth that decrepit, demented, corrupt, and terminally stupid Joe Biden fairly won this election. This post assembles various election anomalies that don't pass the smell test.

J.B. Shurk, who frequently publishes at American Thinker, wrote a knock-out article for The Federalist about Joe Biden's magical performance in the election. You should read the whole article, but here are four things that don't pass the smell test:

1. Biden allegedly got 80 million votes, which is more than Obama received at his peak, in 2008 — and Biden did this despite losing minority voters to Donald Trump and trailing Trump in voter enthusiasm.

2. Biden broke 60 years of precedent by winning nationally despite losing prodigiously in bellwether states and counties. The last time this happened was when the mafia got out the vote for John F. Kennedy in 1960.

3. Trump had extraordinary coattails, so much so that even the New York Times admitted that the "Democrats Suffered Crushing Down-Ballot Losses Across America." Think about that: Biden had no coattails and no enthusiasm, yet he allegedly won a record number of votes. Smells fetid to me.

4. Biden barely made it through the primaries, while Trump soared, with Trump's performance being a historically sure sign of voter enthusiasm and probable victory — yet Biden, again, allegedly scored an equally historically strong victory.

At The Spectator, Patrick Basham, a professional pollster, also felt that Biden's alleged win cannot pass the smell test. Again, this is a summary, so you should read the original article:

5. Trump exceeded his original vote count by the largest margin for any incumbent in American history. He got 10 million more votes than before; by contrast, Obama, in 2012, got 3.5 million fewer votes than in 2008.

6. Trump's support among blacks grew by 50%, while Biden's fell below the important 90% mark that Democrat candidates need to secure victory.

7. In the Rust Belt, Biden lost black support everywhere except in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. In those cities, every single black person apparently voted for Biden.

8. While pollsters can and do manipulate polling outcomes, non-polling metrics (historical norms such as the economy, enthusiasm, etc.) have never been wrong — only we're being told that this year was the exception.

Then there are the indicia of fraud that Dr. Navid Kershavarz-Nia detailed:

9. The fact that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia simultaneously pretended to halt ballot-counting while continuing to count is evidence of election fraud collusion.

10. Optical scanners were set to accept unverified, un-validated ballots.

11. The scanners were almost certainly programmed to fail to keep audit records.

12. In the contested states, the voting machines were alleged to have processed hundreds of thousands of ballots within a short time, which is a physical impossibility.

And here are a few more indications of fraud:

13. In Pennsylvania, statistically impossible numbers of late-arriving mail-in votes went to Biden.

14. Dominion and ES&S voting machines were created to have back doors and specific functions to manipulate votes either at the machine or over the internet.

15. Fox News's behavior on election night (refusing to call pro-Trump outcomes while prematurely calling Arizona for Biden) was so abnormal that Vegas oddsmakers instantly assumed that the fix was in.

16. The allegedly late-arriving mailed in ballots increased Biden's equally alleged lead with statistically impossible perfection and stability.

17. There were anomalies in Virginia that suggested that computers were subtracting votes from Trump and, sometimes, giving them to Biden.

18. One analysis shows that voting machines in Michigan systematically removed votes from Trump and handed them to Biden. I saw a rebuttal (which I cannot locate now) that purported to debunk this but did so by using a different scale on the X-axis, which I found inherently suspicious.

19. Over 100,000 Pennsylvania absentee ballots were returned a day after they were mailed out, on the day they were mailed out, or on the day before they were mailed out.

20. In all the contested areas, and at Dominion's website, Democrats have been systematically failing to create or have destroyed all data that could be used to demonstrate fraud. This creates the legal presumption that the data do, in fact, show fraud.

On behalf of all Trump voters, I say to the Democrats who are trying to gaslight us: don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

From American Thinker......

My belief is there was lots of fraud going on, but don't know if its enough to reverse what apparently will be a Obiden presidency. Trump needs a big win in a big court really soon or he'll run out of time.

For the libs here...Yes I wanted Trump to win no doubt, but more importantly I want election integrity and while I think it is impossible to get zero fraud, it should be very very very rare. If you snicker because Trump lost and don't care about election integrity and whether it was a legit election or not please jot your ideas down in your diary for when the race goes against your candidate someday.

For years I heard about the Russians electing Trump which is what happened if you listen to many of the nitwits in the media and on the political left. If you believe that, then it can't be so outrageous that Obiden was elected by fraud, right?

This now becomes priority freakin #1 for state legislatures. No more ballot harvesting, no more mail in voting; if your too dam stupid or lazy to figure out how/where to vote maybe you should sit out deciding who elects leaders that run this great country. Election day should be a national holiday, the only grounds for absentee voting is if you're going to be out of the country or infirm, PERIOD (no early voting periods ever) and lastly quite acting like people are too stupid to have an ID to identify themselves at a polling place when they need one for nearly everything else in life.

Trump is the odds on favorite to run in 2024 IMHO (because he hates losing) and as much as I like Mike Pence the man.....Trump needs to name an ass kicker as VP. My preference would Kristi Noem (SD) or even Tim Scott (SC). Regardless get ready for the media to thrown whole bags of marshmallows at Obiden and heels up Harris for the next 4-years.
 
Enumerate the concerns - at least the top 2 or 3. This hodge lodge of bullshit from Trump isn't coherent enough to bother with...

Take your pick. Providing a believable explanation for one of them would be a first.
 
A compilation of twenty alleged election 'facts' that don't pass the smell test

By Andrea Widburg

Americans have common sense, so they can understand when they're being played (for example, when politicians place Americans under house arrest and then ignore their own rules to party and travel). And they know there is no way on God's green earth that decrepit, demented, corrupt, and terminally stupid Joe Biden fairly won this election. This post assembles various election anomalies that don't pass the smell test.

J.B. Shurk, who frequently publishes at American Thinker, wrote a knock-out article for The Federalist about Joe Biden's magical performance in the election. You should read the whole article, but here are four things that don't pass the smell test:

1. Biden allegedly got 80 million votes, which is more than Obama received at his peak, in 2008 — and Biden did this despite losing minority voters to Donald Trump and trailing Trump in voter enthusiasm.

2. Biden broke 60 years of precedent by winning nationally despite losing prodigiously in bellwether states and counties. The last time this happened was when the mafia got out the vote for John F. Kennedy in 1960.

3. Trump had extraordinary coattails, so much so that even the New York Times admitted that the "Democrats Suffered Crushing Down-Ballot Losses Across America." Think about that: Biden had no coattails and no enthusiasm, yet he allegedly won a record number of votes. Smells fetid to me.

4. Biden barely made it through the primaries, while Trump soared, with Trump's performance being a historically sure sign of voter enthusiasm and probable victory — yet Biden, again, allegedly scored an equally historically strong victory.

At The Spectator, Patrick Basham, a professional pollster, also felt that Biden's alleged win cannot pass the smell test. Again, this is a summary, so you should read the original article:

5. Trump exceeded his original vote count by the largest margin for any incumbent in American history. He got 10 million more votes than before; by contrast, Obama, in 2012, got 3.5 million fewer votes than in 2008.

6. Trump's support among blacks grew by 50%, while Biden's fell below the important 90% mark that Democrat candidates need to secure victory.

7. In the Rust Belt, Biden lost black support everywhere except in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. In those cities, every single black person apparently voted for Biden.

8. While pollsters can and do manipulate polling outcomes, non-polling metrics (historical norms such as the economy, enthusiasm, etc.) have never been wrong — only we're being told that this year was the exception.

Then there are the indicia of fraud that Dr. Navid Kershavarz-Nia detailed:

9. The fact that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia simultaneously pretended to halt ballot-counting while continuing to count is evidence of election fraud collusion.

10. Optical scanners were set to accept unverified, un-validated ballots.

11. The scanners were almost certainly programmed to fail to keep audit records.

12. In the contested states, the voting machines were alleged to have processed hundreds of thousands of ballots within a short time, which is a physical impossibility.

And here are a few more indications of fraud:

13. In Pennsylvania, statistically impossible numbers of late-arriving mail-in votes went to Biden.

14. Dominion and ES&S voting machines were created to have back doors and specific functions to manipulate votes either at the machine or over the internet.

15. Fox News's behavior on election night (refusing to call pro-Trump outcomes while prematurely calling Arizona for Biden) was so abnormal that Vegas oddsmakers instantly assumed that the fix was in.

16. The allegedly late-arriving mailed in ballots increased Biden's equally alleged lead with statistically impossible perfection and stability.

17. There were anomalies in Virginia that suggested that computers were subtracting votes from Trump and, sometimes, giving them to Biden.

18. One analysis shows that voting machines in Michigan systematically removed votes from Trump and handed them to Biden. I saw a rebuttal (which I cannot locate now) that purported to debunk this but did so by using a different scale on the X-axis, which I found inherently suspicious.

19. Over 100,000 Pennsylvania absentee ballots were returned a day after they were mailed out, on the day they were mailed out, or on the day before they were mailed out.

20. In all the contested areas, and at Dominion's website, Democrats have been systematically failing to create or have destroyed all data that could be used to demonstrate fraud. This creates the legal presumption that the data do, in fact, show fraud.

On behalf of all Trump voters, I say to the Democrats who are trying to gaslight us: don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

From American Thinker......

My belief is there was lots of fraud going on, but don't know if its enough to reverse what apparently will be a Obiden presidency. Trump needs a big win in a big court really soon or he'll run out of time.

For the libs here...Yes I wanted Trump to win no doubt, but more importantly I want election integrity and while I think it is impossible to get zero fraud, it should be very very very rare. If you snicker because Trump lost and don't care about election integrity and whether it was a legit election or not please jot your ideas down in your diary for when the race goes against your candidate someday.

For years I heard about the Russians electing Trump which is what happened if you listen to many of the nitwits in the media and on the political left. If you believe that, then it can't be so outrageous that Obiden was elected by fraud, right?

This now becomes priority freakin #1 for state legislatures. No more ballot harvesting, no more mail in voting; if your too dam stupid or lazy to figure out how/where to vote maybe you should sit out deciding who elects leaders that run this great country. Election day should be a national holiday, the only grounds for absentee voting is if you're going to be out of the country or infirm, PERIOD (no early voting periods ever) and lastly quite acting like people are too stupid to have an ID to identify themselves at a polling place when they need one for nearly everything else in life.

Trump is the odds on favorite to run in 2024 IMHO (because he hates losing) and as much as I like Mike Pence the man.....Trump needs to name an ass kicker as VP. My preference would Kristi Noem (SD) or even Tim Scott (SC). Regardless get ready for the media to thrown whole bags of marshmallows at Obiden and heels up Harris for the next 4-years.
Bunk.

Take the “how did Biden get 80 mln votes” or “he couldn’t have legitimately won more black votes than Obama” - Ask yourself how many more Americans were eligible to vote this cycle.

You should be pissed that Trump and his enablers think so little of your ability to reason about these things.
 
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Bunk.

Take the “how did Biden get 80 min votes” or “he couldn’t have legitimately won more black votes than Obama” - Ask yourself how many more Americans were eligible to vote this cycle.

You should be pissed that Trump and his enablers think so little of your ability to reason about these things.

To me that is the most glaring point that proves the election was fraudulent. Before the election even Democrats were scared to death that Biden had zero voter enthusiasm and yet we are expected to believe that 11 million more people came out to vote for Biden than the most charismatic Democrat in decades? You might want to rethink that one.
 
Sorry man, that f you truly believe this horse shit then you can pick one or two to discuss.
The one I pick, the one that makes no sense to me, is Number 3. It defies logic that the American voter would turn out in record numbers to vote for the single least intelligent presidential candidate in American history, a candidate with obvious mental deficiencies, but then turn around and vote for that candidate's opponents in down line elections. If they were so enthusiastic about Biden and his agenda, why would they vote for representatives that will obstruct that agenda at every turn?

And don't give me "that's how badly they hated Trump." The people that hate Trump at your level are few and far between. Just like the people that deify him are a small minority. The overwhelming number of voters share neither the enmity nor the adoration. They simply don't pay enough attention to love or hate any of them.

So it makes no sense to me that Biden would set records in this election while simultaneously the Democrats got clocked in the rest of the races.

What do your google algorithms tell you to say about that?
 
The one I pick, the one that makes no sense to me, is Number 3. It defies logic that the American voter would turn out in record numbers to vote for the single least intelligent presidential candidate in American history, a candidate with obvious mental deficiencies, but then turn around and vote for that candidate's opponents in down line elections. If they were so enthusiastic about Biden and his agenda, why would they vote for representatives that will obstruct that agenda at every turn?

And don't give me "that's how badly they hated Trump." The people that hate Trump at your level are few and far between. Just like the people that deify him are a small minority. The overwhelming number of voters share neither the enmity nor the adoration. They simply don't pay enough attention to love or hate any of them.

So it makes no sense to me that Biden would set records in this election while simultaneously the Democrats got clocked in the rest of the races.

What do your google algorithms tell you to say about that?
"Eligible voters" is the new "REEE Russia!!"
 
The one I pick, the one that makes no sense to me, is Number 3. It defies logic that the American voter would turn out in record numbers to vote for the single least intelligent presidential candidate in American history, a candidate with obvious mental deficiencies, but then turn around and vote for that candidate's opponents in down line elections. If they were so enthusiastic about Biden and his agenda, why would they vote for representatives that will obstruct that agenda at every turn?

And don't give me "that's how badly they hated Trump." The people that hate Trump at your level are few and far between. Just like the people that deify him are a small minority. The overwhelming number of voters share neither the enmity nor the adoration. They simply don't pay enough attention to love or hate any of them.

So it makes no sense to me that Biden would set records in this election while simultaneously the Democrats got clocked in the rest of the races.

What do your google algorithms tell you to say about that?

It makes no sense to you because you reject completely out of hand the most reasonable and logical Occam's Razor explanation.....based upon how you feel about it.

The Presidential Election was a referendum on Trump as a human being.

Lincoln Project voters voted against Trump, but for Republicans down ballot.

Biden didn't win this election so much as Trump lost it. In the battle of lesser of two evils, this time it was the Democrat.
 
It makes no sense to you because you reject completely out of hand the most reasonable and logical Occam's Razor explanation.....based upon how you feel about it.

The Presidential Election was a referendum on Trump as a human being.

Lincoln Project voters voted against Trump, but for Republicans down ballot.

Biden didn't win this election so much as Trump lost it. In the battle of lesser of two evils, this time it was the Democrat.
Maybe, but I doubt it. I do not think there is a nationwide revulsion of DJT that there was for Hillary in 2016. The hatred exhibited by David and Syskatine and CuP are relatively rare in my estimation. I'm not saying Trump is a beloved figure, except by an equal minority of sycophants. But I don't think that many people so detest him that they want him out no matter what it takes, but then turn around and provide calm and objective votes for those down ticket. I don't think it works that way. But you may be right. Probably are. You're a hell of a lot smarter than me!
 
Bunk.

Take the “how did Biden get 80 min votes” or “he couldn’t have legitimately won more black votes than Obama” - Ask yourself how many more Americans were eligible to vote this cycle.

You should be pissed that Trump and his enablers think so little of your ability to reason about these things.

Where you getting all the truth from Dave?
 
Don’t see the inverse relationship between counties and total votes?
Do you not see how overall vote total can increase while counties won could decrease given overall population growth?

You are comparing a static domain (count of counties) to a dynamic domain (number of votes). Don’t do that. Compare percent of vote (static/normalized domain) to counties won (static domain) and get back to me.
 
The one I pick, the one that makes no sense to me, is Number 3. It defies logic that the American voter would turn out in record numbers to vote for the single least intelligent presidential candidate in American history, a candidate with obvious mental deficiencies, but then turn around and vote for that candidate's opponents in down line elections. If they were so enthusiastic about Biden and his agenda, why would they vote for representatives that will obstruct that agenda at every turn?

And don't give me "that's how badly they hated Trump." The people that hate Trump at your level are few and far between. Just like the people that deify him are a small minority. The overwhelming number of voters share neither the enmity nor the adoration. They simply don't pay enough attention to love or hate any of them.

So it makes no sense to me that Biden would set records in this election while simultaneously the Democrats got clocked in the rest of the races.

What do your google algorithms tell you to say about that?
Did American voters turn out in record numbers? Yes. Did Joe win a record percent of those voters? No. This wasn’t even record turn out...

Simple math.

Do you think there was more down ballot churn this cycle or last? This cycle is unremarkable regardless of how you might feel about it.
 
Did American voters turn out in record numbers? Yes. Did Joe win a record percent of those voters? No. This wasn’t even record turn out...

Simple math.

Do you think there was more down ballot churn this cycle or last? This cycle is unremarkable regardless of how you might feel about it.
Maybe, but I doubt it. There is too much smoke for there to be no fire. But, frankly, I don't much care. I didn't like Trump, and I'm not going to like Biden either. So brace yourself to get your balls busted over the next couple of years. I told the Trump sycophants who were certain I hated him with a passion that they would love me if a Democrat gets into office. Well, the time has come for a Democrat to screw up everything in sight, and I will glory in pointing it out to you! I do wish you would answer my earlier request to tell us what google thinks will happen to America now it and Biden have their hands on the controls. That way we would have a base line to compare what you expect to what actually happens. It ought to be great fun!
 
Do you not see how overall vote total can increase while counties won could decrease given overall population growth?
Could but not probable. You are arguing that the proportional increase in voting is not proportional to the counties won. It certainly isn't a linear function but certainly a best fit line.

If Biden got 200,000,000 votes are you saying he would have lost even more counties?
 
I really believe it is a dislike of trump issue. Know a few republicans that have voted straight ticket republican their whole life who told me they voted for Biden, but for republican on everything else. I think this is why Biden won but republicans still did well in house and senate races.
 
Could but not probable. You are arguing that the proportional increase in voting is not proportional to the counties won. It certainly isn't a linear function but certainly a best fit line.

If Biden got 200,000,000 votes are you saying he would have lost even more counties?
Where did you get this 200 county number? Biden flipped dozens of 2016 Trump Counties. 24 of those were reverting back having been Obama counties in 2012. Trying to better understand the point you are making and reconcile the math.
 
Where did you get this 200 county number? Biden flipped dozens of 2016 Trump Counties. 24 of those were reverting back having been Obama counties in 2012. Trying to better understand the point you are making and reconcile the math.
I don't have time to find it right now but will try later tonight.
 
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"Eligible voters" is the new "REEE Russia!!"
Some facts that apparently offend Trumpets:
  • In 2016 138 million Americans voted representing 58.1% of eligible voters.
  • Trump won 62,984,828 of those votes for 46.1% of the vote.
  • Trump won 304 electoral votes to capture the presidency.
  • in 2020 156 million Americans voted representing 66.9% of eligible voters.
  • Biden won 80,232,300 or so votes for 51.1% of the vote.
  • Biden has won 306 electoral votes to capture the presidency.

Who is "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"ing now?
 
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