ADVERTISEMENT

Re-election

Been Jammin

Moderator
Moderator
Jun 27, 2003
62,451
47,559
113
Serious question.

Assuming that Trump finishes his first term as POTUS (likely IMO), how realistic is it that he will opt to not run for a second term?

I'm not sure who the last POTUS was, who was in position to run for a second term but opted not to do so. Is it just a given that he will run again?

He is not getting any younger, and I suspect he is already fed up with all of the BS and looking forward to going back to living his relaxing, cushy lifestyle.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Medic007
If memory serves me correctly, the Clinton-Bush-Obama years is the 1st time in our country's history we've had back-to-back-to-back 2 term POTUSs. So we're already in uncharted territory. For this reason, nothing would surprise me (and odds alone would make it unlikely to have 4 straight 2 term POTUSs).

If you made me wager though, I'd bet he runs for reelection. I think he's already started a 2020 PAC and recently held a fundraiser in his D.C. hotel. Think his ego will not allow him to go quietly into the night.
 
The republicans in the House and the Senate might be his undoing. Not getting healthcare across the finish line alone might be enough to keep him from reelection. Going to be a bunch of republican RINO's replaced with new republican blood in the next go round, and Trump could easily be a casualty.

You can not promise reforming healthcare for 7 years and fail without massive heads rolling.
To not fix healthcare for our citizens is a complete joke.

I see Trump turning on the RINO's without the guts to get healthcare done and to campaign for their replacement. Gonna get ugly.

If they can not get healthcare done Tax reform will be impossible, there is like 1700 new tax bills each year and very small percentage (like 2%) get passed. Last major tax reform was in the 80's. These weak sauce republican leaders will not get anything done. Same old shit. Tax reform will be as "hard" - political - as healthcare. Just send them home for recess and not let them come back, we can continue to talk about Russia on MSM and watch our national debt slowly take us to the abyss and build fall out shelters for North Korea nukes headed our way.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GunsOfFrankEaton
I think it may depend on the outcome of the 2018 elections. Its clear the Dems are going to run on the message of "Dump Trump", as its been their mantra since the November election. If that message wins for them, then I expect he'll not run again in 2020 so he won't face the possibility of losing. (He's already won.) If the Repubs continue to have support (regardless of the polling) in 2018, then he very well may run and would likely be the favorite.
 
Actually, the Jeffersonian Era (Jefferson, Madison, Monroe) from 1801-1825 was the first time three consecutive presidents served two full terms.
800.jpg


Forget everything I just said, #KamalaHarris2020
 
He'll still be the POTUS for 7.5 years.

I am not so certain now, healthcare is a huge defeat, his fault or not. It was assumed in the election this was a slam dunk, you had the house, senate, and Presidency. He could be replaced by another republican if they come up with a good candidate.

The republicans have a better message right now, need to elect republicans with the balls to get things done. Pathetically sad, right message and piss poor leadership and execution.

Sometimes you have to change the people to change the people. We can drain the swamp thru elections as long the DOJ, FBI, and CIA enforce the laws equally but that looks real iffy.

We are about as corrupt as we ever have been.

We are going to screw oursleves out of our freedoms and equal opportunities using our freedoms.

Republican leadership right now deserves to be voted out with their Democratic brothers.

Meaningful tax reform is dead, no way you can get it thru when you have 7 years to plan to fix healthcare and fail.

Only thing Washington is good for right now is investigations and finger pointing, the attorneys are laughing and getting rich.

Healthcare is a major defeat for Trump fair or not, it was assumed to be a slam dunk.
 
@OKSTATE1 - great post, but do you really think healthcare was a defeat for Trump?

This was Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel's bill --- I think it's better to let Obamacare implode, or do a clean repeal.

Passing a bill with a 20% favorable rating hangs it around Trump's neck, and makes him have to waste political capital defending another lobbyist-written monstrosity.
 
@OKSTATE1 - great post, but do you really think healthcare was a defeat for Trump?

This was Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel's bill --- I think it's better to let Obamacare implode, or do a clean repeal.

Passing a bill with a 20% favorable rating hangs it around Trump's neck, and makes him have to waste political capital defending another lobbyist-written monstrosity.

Do we need to quote the Trump tweets supporting these bills or post video of him celebrating with Republicans after house passage? Do we need to revisit the arm twisting by Trump to get the House bill passed?

He adopted, promoted, and advocated for passage. That makes them his baby just as much as Ryan's and McConnell's.

Of course healthcare is a defeat for Trump....to anybody but the most blatant of Trumpies that will always have excuses for their great and mighty leader. You can still like the guy while rationally realizing he failed. Nobody can win them all.
 
Last edited:
@OKSTATE1 - great post, but do you really think healthcare was a defeat for Trump?

This was Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel's bill --- I think it's better to let Obamacare implode, or do a clean repeal.

Passing a bill with a 20% favorable rating hangs it around Trump's neck, and makes him have to waste political capital defending another lobbyist-written monstrosity.

Thanks for the question and I can see your point, I do feel it is a defeat for Trump. Now, how much blame to do you apportion to him? I am not smart enough to say to be honest, it is not totally on him, but not certain if that matters for some voters or the result of what has happened. Republicans in general own this - House, Senate, and the Prez.

How many times did the Republicans pass a repeal of Obamacare when Obama was President? A few times....so we know a bunch of Republicans were just playing politics and fishing for votes on the next election cycle. Sure, they did so knowing Obama would veto anything that ever reached his desk, but they played politics instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They sold the public on having a common goal with those votes, and then when it was time to put up......they played politics and showed they had no plan and they were not on the same page. BIG LIE.

Perhaps Trump's position from the beginning should have been to let Obamacare implode, problem with that strategy is that it is playing politics while you let it die and the American people suffer for it. It needed to be fixed, we deserved that. I will give Trump credit for trying to fix it, letting it die is now a position to take to save face and really is the default position right now with no other options available so it is not a "policy position" to take. Best thing might be for it to die, but the BETTER option was to fix it for the American public.

IMO, might as well stop watching anything going on in Washington right now, I really believe that to some extent. I fail to see how on earth they can get any meaningful legislation passed if they could not get healthcare done, it should have been a slam dunk. Obviously, the Republicans are really not on the same page despite the rhetoric of the last 7 years. Going to have change the people to change the people, no way in hell I see myself voting for any Democrat, but I am really disappointed in the entire Republican leadership and some of them obviously need to be replaced. At least SCOTUS will be taken care of by Trump, other than that I guess we need to see more Republicans voted in that can get on the same page and get things done, and part of that like it or not is figuring out a way to manage thru the Washington minefield to make things happen. Both sides of the aisle are obstructionists right now, how on earth does Washington grind to a halt and is unable to pass legislation, some of which it has promised to pass for 7 years? I feel let down right now, I had expectations. Ryan, McConnell, etc....YOUR FIRED!

What is Trump to do? He either needs to figure out a way to get the votes or he needs to identify who needs to go in the Senate and House and what replacements will get things passed and actively spend his time from now until the next election cycle campaigning to get some Republicans out of office and replaced with new Republican blood. Hate to go to war with your own party....but heads need to roll over this massively and if he wants to accomplish anything as President he has to figure out how to get legislation thru with what he has (will not happen, we know that now), or work hard to get new players in Washington, that would be one way to drain the swamp. Otherwise, might as well spend his time taking vacations on the taxpayers dime and spending more quality time with Melania, maybe spend more time overseas giving speeches, at this point he might have more value overseas than here at home until some seats can be changed.

I am no political expert, but I see a major problem for the Republican party not getting healthcare fixed, it was the one item I think we all believed would get done. I am as disappointed for Trump as I am for all Americans, but I am a bottom line results guy. There is no excuses for the pile of crap Republican leadership is rolling out, especially during a time frame the Democrats really have no direction or message and all they can continue to do is identity politics. They have let the voters down, they really have no excuses, right message and we have a clown show and circle jerk in Washington. They better be careful....losing control is not out of question, when you can not execute several chances at a dunk? We know new players are coming......who knows what party affiliation they will be, I hope they are normal Republicans (no crazy right wing zealots) that can go to work for the American people and get some legislation passed to make our lives better.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: NZ Poke
Who was it that said, "Republican's can f*ck up an orgasm"? Was it @HighStickHarry ?

If you were putting your faith and support in congressional Republicans, you were setting yourself up for disappointment. When it became clear that the bills they were proposing were Obamacare-lite with insurance bailouts (i.e. largely written by lobbyists), I think the writing was on the wall.

I understand the frustration but isn't it best to live to fight another day? Is this not exposing/shining a light on GOP swamp creatures (thinking about the senators who voted for the 2015 repeal bill)?

I think the health care premium increases announced in Late October helped Trump far more than the Comey's cursory reopening of the Hillary investigation. I don't know how this will play out in 2018 midterms but I guess I just don't think it's as bad as people portray. For the most part, Trump voters already knew congressional Republican were lying sacks of sh*t. That's why we voted for Trump. It's a shame he couldn't get a deal done, but I don't know that I'd want any deal that Paul Ryan and McConnell were proposing on behalf of their puppet masters anyway. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Feel bad for the small business owners, rust belt voters, etc. Hopefully they will get some relief at some point. Besides, Schumer called GOP's bill "mean".
 
  • Like
Reactions: NZ Poke
Thanks for the question and I can see your point, I do feel it is a defeat for Trump. Now, how much blame to do you apportion to him? I am not smart enough to say to be honest, it is not totally on him, but not certain if that matters for some voters or the result of what has happened. Republicans in general own this - House, Senate, and the Prez.

How many times did the Republicans pass a repeal of Obamacare when Obama was President? A few times....so we know a bunch of Republicans were just playing politics and fishing for votes on the next election cycle. Sure, they did so knowing Obama would veto anything that ever reached his desk, but they played politics instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They sold the public on having a common goal with those votes, and then when it was time to put up......they played politics and showed they had no plan and they were not on the same page. BIG LIE.

Perhaps Trump's position from the beginning should have been to let Obamacare implode, problem with that strategy is that it is playing politics while you let it die and the American people suffer for it. It needed to be fixed, we deserved that. I will give Trump credit for trying to fix it, letting it die is now a position to take to save face and really is the default position right now with no other options available so it is not a "policy position" to take. Best thing might be for it to die, but the BETTER option was to fix it for the American public.

IMO, might as well stop watching anything going on in Washington right now, I really believe that to some extent. I fail to see how on earth they can get any meaningful legislation passed if they could not get healthcare done, it should have been a slam dunk. Obviously, the Republicans are really not on the same page despite the rhetoric of the last 7 years. Going to have change the people to change the people, no way in hell I see myself voting for any Democrat, but I am really disappointed in the entire Republican leadership and some of them obviously need to be replaced. At least SCOTUS will be taken care of by Trump, other than that I guess we need to see more Republicans voted in that can get on the same page and get things done, and part of that like it or not is figuring out a way to manage thru the Washington minefield to make things happen. Both sides of the aisle are obstructionists right now, how on earth does Washington grind to a halt and is unable to pass legislation, some of which it has promised to pass for 7 years? I feel let down right now, I had expectations. Ryan, McConnell, etc....YOUR FIRED!

What is Trump to do? He either needs to figure out a way to get the votes or he needs to identify who needs to go in the Senate and House and what replacements will get things passed and actively spend his time from now until the next election cycle campaigning to get some Republicans out of office and replaced with new Republican blood. Hate to go to war with your own party....but heads need to roll over this massively and if he wants to accomplish anything as President he has to figure out how to get legislation thru with what he has (will not happen, we know that now), or work hard to get new players in Washington, that would be one way to drain the swamp. Otherwise, might as well spend his time taking vacations on the taxpayers dime and spending more quality time with Melania, maybe spend more time overseas giving speeches, at this point he might have more value overseas than here at home until some seats can be changed.

I am no political expert, but I see a major problem for the Republican party not getting healthcare fixed, it was the one item I think we all believed would get done. I am as disappointed for Trump as I am for all Americans, but I am a bottom line results guy. There is no excuses for the pile of crap Republican leadership is rolling out, especially during a time frame the Democrats really have no direction or message and all they can continue to do is identity politics. They have let the voters down, they really have no excuses, right message and we have a clown show and circle jerk in Washington. They better be careful....losing control is not out of question, when you can not execute several chances at a dunk? We know new players are coming......who knows what party affiliation they will be, I hope they are normal Republicans (no crazy right wing zealots) that can go to work for the American people and get some legislation passed to make our lives better.

Good stuff.

Have you ever read this website?

He always has outstanding analysis and insights. I wish the website wasn't labeled 'conservative' treehouse as more people would read it.

 
  • Like
Reactions: OKSTATE1
Do we need to quote the Trump tweets supporting these bills or post video of him celebrating with Republicans after house passage? Do we need to revisit the arm twisting by Trump to get the House bill passed?

He adopted, promoted, and advocated for passage. That makes them his baby just as much as Ryan's and McConnell's.

Of course healthcare is a defeat for Trump....to anybody but the most blatant of Trumpies that will always have excuses for their great and mighty leader. You can still like the guy while rationally realizing he failed. Nobody can win them all.


Yes, I remember Trump promoting those bills (from Ryan etc).

A big Trump mistake was heading deep into the healthcare swamp (and spending so much time and energy) --- he should have spent more energy on infrastructure. (Ironically -- Obama did the exact *same* thing in his first term --- back when I supported him, it eventually turned me off once I learned about the lobbyists who actually wrote Obamacare)


Infrastructure is something the entire country would rally around. It would put more people back to work etc.


MAGA was far more about fixing our infrastructure (and rebuilding our inner cities) than pushing GOP lobbyist-written healthcare policy.

Trump is a builder, that's his speciality and brand.

Of course, one of the problem with the cuckservatives is they traditionally didn't want to spend money on infrastructure (nor on Main Street -- only on the military, wars, war on drugs, and prison industrial complex) --- and it sounds like Chuck Schumer didn't want infrastructure either.

Both political parties suck equally.


 
As a philosophical libertarian anarchist I read these comments and just scratch my head. Every man jack one of you are whining and complaining about how the politicians have fooled you for the last time. We need to throw the bums out, you all proclaim. The existing legislation is an abomination, you all shout from the rooftops. These politicians are a bunch of lying SOB's; they don't give a damn about us, just themselves and the donors that own them. Drain the swamp! So, what are the cures you offer? More of the same, only with different politicians! As if you don't recognize the problem is - and always has been - the nature of the political structure. Top down mandates to be forced upon each one of us (for our own good, of course, we're all too stupid to look after our own well being), to be regulated and dictated by our betters. ObamaCare is a disaster? Other politicians can fix that! We need legislation! We need more laws! Our political alternatives will be much better! I wince, and scratch my head while muttering to myself like the tired old man that I am.
 
If Trump is smart he'll follow Clinton's model of 'triangulation'. Blame both establishment R's and D's. He'll win again easily.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CowboyJD
As a philosophical libertarian anarchist I read these comments and just scratch my head. Every man jack one of you are whining and complaining about how the politicians have fooled you for the last time. We need to throw the bums out, you all proclaim. The existing legislation is an abomination, you all shout from the rooftops. These politicians are a bunch of lying SOB's; they don't give a damn about us, just themselves and the donors that own them. Drain the swamp! So, what are the cures you offer? More of the same, only with different politicians! As if you don't recognize the problem is - and always has been - the nature of the political structure. Top down mandates to be forced upon each one of us (for our own good, of course, we're all too stupid to look after our own well being), to be regulated and dictated by our betters. ObamaCare is a disaster? Other politicians can fix that! We need legislation! We need more laws! Our political alternatives will be much better! I wince, and scratch my head while muttering to myself like the tired old man that I am.


That is a bit of an extreme take IMO. Reading a lot in to these posts. I personally think the states should have more control which I would hope to lead to laws (and every society has to have them) more suitable to the civilians and the demographics within those states. What is your solution? Just accept things as they are, tell us what you are philosophically, and then tell everyone else they are basically stupid while admitting nothing can be done and doing nothing and withdrawing is a superior "solution"? BTW - Legislation can include the downsizing of government and it will take legislation to do just that. The only control we have is our vote, probably a pipe dream to think we can make a big difference and move enough fresh blood in to move the needle, but it is all we have. We also need a DOJ, FBI, and CIA that would enforce all of our laws equally, that WOULD help drain the swamp. If you paid attention, some said (uh, hum) we have mutual obstruction in Washington and might as well not pay attention until the people in the seats change, that is the only hope we have right now for change. Does not mean change happens, but it is our only hope. It will always *iss me off when politicians do not work for the American public, the day that does not bother anyone we are in deeper trouble than we are today. We all have family members that died serving this country for the pile of crap being served up today. Ponca it is depressing situation, I feel bad for our grandchildren, and it *isses me off because we do deserve better.
 
Last edited:
Who was it that said, "Republican's can f*ck up an orgasm"? Was it @HighStickHarry ?

If you were putting your faith and support in congressional Republicans, you were setting yourself up for disappointment. When it became clear that the bills they were proposing were Obamacare-lite with insurance bailouts (i.e. largely written by lobbyists), I think the writing was on the wall.

I understand the frustration but isn't it best to live to fight another day? Is this not exposing/shining a light on GOP swamp creatures (thinking about the senators who voted for the 2015 repeal bill)?

I think the health care premium increases announced in Late October helped Trump far more than the Comey's cursory reopening of the Hillary investigation. I don't know how this will play out in 2018 midterms but I guess I just don't think it's as bad as people portray. For the most part, Trump voters already knew congressional Republican were lying sacks of sh*t. That's why we voted for Trump. It's a shame he couldn't get a deal done, but I don't know that I'd want any deal that Paul Ryan and McConnell were proposing on behalf of their puppet masters anyway. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Feel bad for the small business owners, rust belt voters, etc. Hopefully they will get some relief at some point. Besides, Schumer called GOP's bill "mean".
It was me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JohnVoight
As a philosophical libertarian anarchist I read these comments and just scratch my head. Every man jack one of you are whining and complaining about how the politicians have fooled you for the last time. We need to throw the bums out, you all proclaim. The existing legislation is an abomination, you all shout from the rooftops. These politicians are a bunch of lying SOB's; they don't give a damn about us, just themselves and the donors that own them. Drain the swamp! So, what are the cures you offer? More of the same, only with different politicians! As if you don't recognize the problem is - and always has been - the nature of the political structure. Top down mandates to be forced upon each one of us (for our own good, of course, we're all too stupid to look after our own well being), to be regulated and dictated by our betters. ObamaCare is a disaster? Other politicians can fix that! We need legislation! We need more laws! Our political alternatives will be much better! I wince, and scratch my head while muttering to myself like the tired old man that I am.

Rage Against the Machine, Brother.

Rage on.
 
Yes, I remember Trump promoting those bills (from Ryan etc).

A big Trump mistake was heading deep into the healthcare swamp (and spending so much time and energy) --- he should have spent more energy on infrastructure. (Ironically -- Obama did the exact *same* thing in his first term --- back when I supported him, it eventually turned me off once I learned about the lobbyists who actually wrote Obamacare)

1. So...his actions re: healthcare have been a "failure". He failed. It's okay. You can actually say it.

2. I thought Trump's speciality was draining the swamp.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Colorado_Poke
He is not getting any younger, and I suspect he is already fed up with all of the BS and looking forward to going back to living his relaxing, cushy lifestyle.

I don't see a person like this as ever living a relaxing lifestyle. There's always another deal to be made, another acquisition to work on. This kind of person slows down when they're planted on the other side of the grass.
 
1. So...his actions re: healthcare have been a "failure". He failed. It's okay. You can actually say it.

2. I thought Trump's speciality was draining the swamp.

Not sure anyone can be specialized in draining the swamp. Its going to fight the whole way through. You can't argue though that Trump has brought significantly more visibility and transparency to our federal government that what was ever done by our prior "most transparent president in history". Heck, every single word, action, meeting, dinner, etc is analyzed was more significantly than any president in history.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NZ Poke
Heck, every single word, action, meeting, dinner, etc is analyzed was more significantly than any president in history.

Please. Did you ever watch Fox news from '08 - '16?

chjybB5.jpg


Obama took office with McConnell publicly stating that defeating him was the GOP's primary goal. They obstructed and right wing media spun and exaggerated and hassled him from day one. Right down to speculating whether a meteor was an Obama plot. He was a muslim, an atheist, a marxist, an anti-christ... they even criticized him for his what his preacher said. Find that birth certificate yet? Biff was leading the charge on that one and promised he had a bombshell to drop and never did. And now Biff is treated unfairly. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

It also helps if Trump didn't lie so casually and consistently that no reputable press member would ever give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope that the right wing enjoys laying in the bed they made.
 
Not sure anyone can be specialized in draining the swamp. Its going to fight the whole way through. You can't argue though that Trump has brought significantly more visibility and transparency to our federal government that what was ever done by our prior "most transparent president in history". Heck, every single word, action, meeting, dinner, etc is analyzed was more significantly than any president in history.

Lol.

Trump bringing more transparency?

Woah....I can definitely argue that ain't true. In fact, it's pretty self evident that ain't true.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Been Jammin
Lol.

Trump bringing more transparency?

Woah....I can definitely argue that ain't true. In fact, it's pretty self evident that ain't true.
I suppose he's thinking that Trump's tweets are evidence of transparency.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. But I would love to see your argument that his contention "ain't true." Am curious to see how you as a lawyer would make your case.
 
I suppose he's thinking that Trump's tweets are evidence of transparency.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. But I would love to see your argument that his contention "ain't true." Am curious to see how you as a lawyer would make your case.

Don't feel the need to convince you, and message board postings aren't the same thing as a lawyer making a case....not even close. You can start with two very simple facts though....

1. The 1st President since WWII to refuse to release his tax returns hasn't brought any transparency at all.
2. A President that gives three different reasons for firing the FBI hasn't brought any transparency at all.
3. A President that tweets contradictory tweets and demonstrably inaccurate and misleading tweets isn't bring transparency.

A question though...why didn't you call him out to make his argument that his original proposition is true. You supposed for him? Any particular reason?
 
  • Like
Reactions: anon_xl72qcu5isp39
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT