pretty simple, really,,,,,

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in '16 people hated hilary clinton more than they feared donald trump. now 6 yrs later, the people fear donald trump more than they hate joe biden's horrendous policies, covid, border, crime, economy, afganistan, bla bla bla.

and hilary is still hated across the board. donald trump is still an asshole. and joe biden's policies are a weight on the shoulders of liberty.

question? after winning the house, how exactly is the gop going to kidnap and kill children? some cnn or msnbc windbag said this last week.

one bullet at a time, snowflakes, one bullet at a time.
 

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I have a niece, a senior at KSU, who calls herself a liberal. I asked her what she liked about being one and it all came down to what she can get from the government. It was all about abortion, LGBTQ, forgiving portions of student loans and so on. When I was her age, my focus was on getting a good job, being able to buy a home and raising a family. It never crossed my mind what the government could do for me.
 
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Cradle to grave. Free this. Free that. Equal outcomes. From each according to ability, to each according to need.
 
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Even Jen Psaki admitted that the Dem platform is socialism. Which is why it doesn't sell to the Cuban Latinos who've experienced socialism first hand.
And good on her for saying that.
 

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The dems have managed to run trump through the mud for years with the biased media to run along in step with them.
trump needs to be background now and let Desantis do his thing. He probably won’t take that role however.
 
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A whole lotta butt hurt ITT. WWLS on the occasional Saturday afternoon.
Butt hurt or concern people are going to be suffering from their ignorance in the coming months. Inflation while bad is not on the level of a recession that causes large numbers of people to become unemployed. We are already starting to see layoffs and many companies planning layoffs in the next few months. Many small businesses are struggling to stay afloat all with no fault of their own, purely government corruption and incompetence. And that's if the stupid SOB inn the White House doesn't start WWIII. China will invade Taiwan in the coming months and no telling what Russian, that little tyrant in North Korea or the Iranians will do. But hey be sure to post your little laugh emoji dismissing all of it.
 

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Butt hurt or concern people are going to be suffering from their ignorance in the coming months. Inflation while bad is not on the level of a recession that causes large numbers of people to become unemployed. We are already starting to see layoffs and many companies planning layoffs in the next few months. Many small businesses are struggling to stay afloat all with no fault of their own, purely government corruption and incompetence. And that's if the stupid SOB inn the White House doesn't start WWIII. China will invade Taiwan in the coming months and no telling what Russian, that little tyrant in North Korea or the Iranians will do. But hey be sure to post your little laugh emoji dismissing all of it.
If only you could articulate a point of view that wasn't so hyperbolic - we might have an actual conversation.
 

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If only you could articulate a point of view that wasn't so hyperbolic - we might have an actual conversation.
Hyperbolic? You're old enough to have lived through the same recessions I have and I can tell you there is not a damn thing hyperbolic about anyone of them. Real people get hurt in recession not because of anything they did but because the government caused it all. I thought you leftist were the ones that told us Republicans didn't give a shit about people while you leftist were the ones that did?
Most of us are positioned to where a recession doesn't hurt us in the slightest but our kids haven't had enough time to build their own finances to the point it doesn't hurt them. They are still vulnerable to government ineptness as well as tens of millions of others. While you can laugh it off and not give a shit some of us do. Having lived through the recessions of my lifetime I take the slightest threat of one very seriously.
 

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I have a niece, a senior at KSU, who calls herself a liberal. I asked her what she liked about being one and it all came down to what she can get from the government. It was all about abortion, LGBTQ, forgiving portions of student loans and so on. When I was her age, my focus was on getting a good job, being able to buy a home and raising a family. It never crossed my mind what the government could do for me.
Seems like she articulated 3 issues that are important to her and you only heard one of them.
 

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Seems like you missed the point

Clearly you did. This is your original post.

I have a niece, a senior at KSU, who calls herself a liberal. I asked her what she liked about being one and it all came down to what she can get from the government. It was all about abortion, LGBTQ, forgiving portions of student loans and so on. When I was her age, my focus was on getting a good job, being able to buy a home and raising a family. It never crossed my mind what the government could do for me.

Surely you are smart enough to know that what she told you did not "all come down to what she can get from the government". I'm willing to bet that the first issue she mentioned to you (abortion) carries significantly more weight than the other 2 issues that are important to her.

Check out this tweet.

With every passing day an old white man longing for an America of yester-year dies & a bunch of young people turn 18. They're:
-sick of school shootings
-want to have sex & not get pregnant &
-damn well know there isn't a transgender basketball team plotting to win the big game


I'm sorry to tell you this, but the Democratic Party is taking steps to align with young people, and those young people are seeing that they were able to make a significant impact on this election, which is only going to help with engagement/interest in future elections. The GOP, meanwhile, is embracing policy that alienates that same demographic. It seems incredibly short sighted. It should be an obvious problem that needs to be addressed, but either it isn't obvious, or the GOP has no ideas for solutions.
 

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Clearly you did. This is your original post.



Surely you are smart enough to know that what she told you did not "all come down to what she can get from the government". I'm willing to bet that the first issue she mentioned to you (abortion) carries significantly more weight than the other 2 issues that are important to her.

Check out this tweet.
With every passing day an old white man longing for an America of yester-year dies & a bunch of young people turn 18. They're:
-sick of school shootings
-want to have sex & not get pregnant &
-damn well know there isn't a transgender basketball team plotting to win the big game


I'm sorry to tell you this, but the Democratic Party is taking steps to align with young people, and those young people are seeing that they were able to make a significant impact on this election, which is only going to help with engagement/interest in future elections. The GOP, meanwhile, is embracing policy that alienates that same demographic. It seems incredibly short sighted. It should be an obvious problem that needs to be addressed, but either it isn't obvious, or the GOP has no ideas for solutions.
Don’t worry, one day all those old white guys will be gone and all the kids will have to pay their own credit card bills.
 

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Clearly you did. This is your original post.



Surely you are smart enough to know that what she told you did not "all come down to what she can get from the government". I'm willing to bet that the first issue she mentioned to you (abortion) carries significantly more weight than the other 2 issues that are important to her.

Check out this tweet.
With every passing day an old white man longing for an America of yester-year dies & a bunch of young people turn 18. They're:
-sick of school shootings
-want to have sex & not get pregnant &
-damn well know there isn't a transgender basketball team plotting to win the big game


I'm sorry to tell you this, but the Democratic Party is taking steps to align with young people, and those young people are seeing that they were able to make a significant impact on this election, which is only going to help with engagement/interest in future elections. The GOP, meanwhile, is embracing policy that alienates that same demographic. It seems incredibly short sighted. It should be an obvious problem that needs to be addressed, but either it isn't obvious, or the GOP has no ideas for solutions.
Boom.

What has the GOP offered or done in the last, oh... 30 years? They're just against everything. Wedge issues only. Anger and division.

And wth did they think would happen after Dobbs? Young people like, flick to the party of authoritarianism and bounties?
 

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Don’t worry, one day all those old white guys will be gone and all the kids will have to pay their own credit card bills.
Now, its Student Debt Relief.
In the future it will also include CC Debt Relief for Students as well.
Dims gotta give free shit to stay in office and the lazy bums will gladly take it while the rest of us pay for it.
 

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Now, its Student Debt Relief.
In the future it will also include CC Debt Relief for Students as well.
Dims gotta give free shit to stay in office and the lazy bums will gladly take it while the rest of us pay for it.
LOL. All you guys have to promote your party is fear mongering, sensationalism, and occasional witty repartee. No policy eventually leads to attrition. Its happing right now and right before your eyes.
 

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LOL. All you guys have to promote your party is fear mongering, sensationalism, and occasional witty repartee. No policy eventually leads to attrition. Its happing right now and right before your eyes.

Yeah because American Democracy is under attack from the Right. Guess you missed all those Dims saying that right before the midterms. 🤣
Let me guess, "thats dIfFeReNt? 🤣🤣
 
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Yeah because American Democracy is under attack from the Right. Guess you missed all those Dims saying that right before the midterms. 🤣
Let me guess, "thats dIfFeReNt? 🤣🤣
The difference is that the Dems are also putting forward popular policy proposals. Have I missed some from the GOP? Anything at all of substance?
 

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The difference is that the Dems are also putting forward popular policy proposals. Have I missed some from the GOP? Anything at all of substance?
Well, one proposal is to enforce existing immigration laws.

The Republican Party has issues, no doubt. I’ve mentioned that on here a million times. Don’t get too excited, though. Fifteen Republican governors were up for election and all won. Fourteen won by double digits. Control of the House is all but done and there is a possibility they take the Senate.

So, no red wave, probably for the reasons you’ve mentioned, but a great learning opportunity for 2024…although, never underestimate the Republicans ability to f up an orgasm.
 

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The difference is that the Dems are also putting forward popular policy proposals. Have I missed some from the GOP? Anything at all of substance?
I don't know of any popular policy proposals from the Democrats. Could you tell me what three or four of them are?
 

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I don't know of any popular policy proposals from the Democrats. Could you tell me what three or four of them are?
Codify Roe
Reduce the Deficit
Address the fact that minimum wage has not increased in 2 decades
Protect the rights of minorities (including LGBTQ).
Do something (anything) to try to slow climate change
Put effort into relationships with our allies.
Bring production of technology back home from overseas (specifically China).
Pull our soldiers out of wars in the Middle East.
 

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Well, one proposal is to enforce existing immigration laws.
GOP had the POTUS, House and Senate for 2 years under Trump and did not fix our immigration issues. I agree that immigration is a problem that needs a solution, but it is far from an easy fix. I can't speak for many of your brethren, but I suspect you are smart enough to know that a wall was completely unrealistic and was never going to be any kind of solution to the problem.
 

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GOP had the POTUS, House and Senate for 2 years under Trump and did not fix our immigration issues. I agree that immigration is a problem that needs a solution, but it is far from an easy fix. I can't speak for many of your brethren, but I suspect you are smart enough to know that a wall was completely unrealistic and was never going to be any kind of solution to the problem.
Wall was messaging. Immigration reform, or lack thereof, is on both parties no doubt.
 

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Codify Roe
Reduce the Deficit
Address the fact that minimum wage has not increased in 2 decades
Protect the rights of minorities (including LGBTQ).
Do something (anything) to try to slow climate change
Put effort into relationships with our allies.
Bring production of technology back home from overseas (specifically China).
Pull our soldiers out of wars in the Middle East.
Looking at that list leads me to think you think a policy is popular if it’s popular with the left side of the aisle. Would that be a correct assumption?
 

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Looking at that list leads me to think you think a policy is popular if it’s popular with the left side of the aisle. Would that be a correct assumption?
Are you trying to tell me that the Right/GOP is opposed to deficit reduction, wants to keep the minimum wage from increasing, considers minorities and LGBTQ to be second class citizens, is in favor of climate change, doesn't feel that we need any alliances with any other countries, is in favor of more of our technology being produced overseas, and wants more soldiers fighting wars in other countries? Is that really what you are trying to say? Do you know how moronic that sounds? I mean some of it may be true, but I don't think the GOP/Right wants to admit it by saying it out loud.

As far as Roe goes, just take a look what happened in Kansas (abortion law vote) a couple of months ago, or what happened with all 5 of the abortion measures voted on 2 days ago. That should tell you that the percentage of the overall U.S. population that is supportive of women's rights is significantly higher than those that think those rights should be stripped.
 

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Are you trying to tell me that the Right/GOP is opposed to deficit reduction, wants to keep the minimum wage from increasing, considers minorities and LGBTQ to be second class citizens, is in favor of climate change, doesn't feel that we need any alliances with any other countries, is in favor of more of our technology being produced overseas, and wants more soldiers fighting wars in other countries? Is that really what you are trying to say? Do you know how moronic that sounds? I mean some of it may be true, but I don't think the GOP/Right wants to admit it by saying it out loud.

As far as Roe goes, just take a look what happened in Kansas (abortion law vote) a couple of months ago, or what happened with all 5 of the abortion measures voted on 2 days ago. That should tell you that the percentage of the overall U.S. population that is supportive of women's rights is significantly higher than those that think those rights should be stripped.
I’m not trying to tell you anything. I’m curious what is your definition of “popular,” that is all. You gave a wish list of things that need addressing, but not the policy proposals the Democrats have put forth to “cure” the problems. By your own logic the Democrats have had the Administrative and Legislative branches under their control for the last two years, and therefore their proposals should have been implemented by now and we should be seeing the results of said implementation. I don’t know what proposals have been implemented and therefore I don’t know the results. I do know that polls show the American people are unhappy with the direction the country is headed. Which is surprising if the Democrats, the ones with all the power, have instituted a bunch of popular policies. How do you explain that?
 

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I’m not trying to tell you anything. I’m curious what is your definition of “popular,” that is all. You gave a wish list of things that need addressing, but not the policy proposals the Democrats have put forth to “cure” the problems. By your own logic the Democrats have had the Administrative and Legislative branches under their control for the last two years, and therefore their proposals should have been implemented by now and we should be seeing the results of said implementation. I don’t know what proposals have been implemented and therefore I don’t know the results. I do know that polls show the American people are unhappy with the direction the country is headed. Which is surprising if the Democrats, the ones with all the power, have instituted a bunch of popular policies. How do you explain that?
Biden has already addressed many of them. I will leave you to do the research to find out what he has done along those lines.

Reduce the Deficit
Do something (anything) to try to slow climate change
Put effort into relationships with our allies.
Bring production of technology back home from overseas (specifically China).
Pull our soldiers out of wars in the Middle East.

As far as his popularity goes, there are other factors. A good portion of the country wasn't going to give Biden a chance regardless of what he did (just like The Former Guy). Also, the economy rules, and it is easy to make POTUS the bad guy when the economy is facing hurdles. Add to that the fact that he is extremely old, and it is easy to see why his approval rating is fairly low. It will be interesting to see how he fares when the economy rebounds.
 

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Biden has already addressed many of them. I will leave you to do the research to find out what he has done along those lines.

Reduce the Deficit
Do something (anything) to try to slow climate change
Put effort into relationships with our allies.
Bring production of technology back home from overseas (specifically China).
Pull our soldiers out of wars in the Middle East.

As far as his popularity goes, there are other factors. A good portion of the country wasn't going to give Biden a chance regardless of what he did (just like The Former Guy). Also, the economy rules, and it is easy to make POTUS the bad guy when the economy is facing hurdles. Add to that the fact that he is extremely old, and it is easy to see why his approval rating is fairly low. It will be interesting to see how he fares when the economy rebounds.
That’s a cop out, Been, you’re better than that. You made a bold statement about popular policy proposals, but when asked to say what they are you give tepid generic talking points. And when asked to provide specifics you fall back on the @davidallen tactic of “leaving the research” to me. The only conclusion to be drawn by that is you don’t know of any popular policy proposals to cite.

Reduce the deficit. Ignore that that’s a red herring. What popular policy proposal have the Democrats implemented?

Do *anything* to slow climate change. Which policy has slowed climate change. Do you really think that is popular with anyone but leftists?

Improve relations with allies. Has leading most of western Europe into a proxy war with Russia so they’ll freeze all winter improved things?

The only policy I know that attempts to bring technology away from China and back here are the outlandish tariffs and trade barriers thrown up by Trump and continued by the Democrats. It may be “popular” I’ll give you that no matter how bone headed it is, but that’s a Republican (Trump) policy.

The Democrats pulled our soldiers out of Afghanistan and almost immediately inserted them into Ukraine, and if the security state gets its way we’ll be having combat with Russia before you know it.

The last portion of your defense is defense of Joe Biden and his lack of popularity. Our comments aren’t about Joe Biden; there really is no defense for him. Our comments are about your generic claim that the Democrats are offering up popular policy proposals. We’ll just have to disagree about that.
 
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That’s a cop out, Been, you’re better than that. You made a bold statement about popular policy proposals, but when asked to say what they are you give tepid generic talking points. And when asked to provide specifics you fall back on the @davidallen tactic of “leaving the research” to me. The only conclusion to be drawn by that is you don’t know of any popular policy proposals to cite.

Reduce the deficit. Ignore that that’s a red herring. What popular policy proposal have the Democrats implemented?

Do *anything* to slow climate change. Which policy has slowed climate change. Do you really think that is popular with anyone but leftists?

Improve relations with allies. Has leading most of western Europe into a proxy war with Russia so they’ll freeze all winter improved things?

The only policy I know that attempts to bring technology away from China and back here are the outlandish tariffs and trade barriers thrown up by Trump and continued by the Democrats. It may be “popular” I’ll give you that no matter how bone headed it is, but that’s a Republican (Trump) policy.

The Democrats pulled our soldiers out of Afghanistan and almost immediately inserted them into Ukraine, and if the security state gets its way we’ll be having combat with Russia before you know it.

The last portion of your defense is defense of Joe Biden and his lack of popularity. Our comments aren’t about Joe Biden; there really is no defense for him. Our comments are about your generic claim that the Democrats are offering up popular policy proposals. We’ll just have to disagree about that.
I will help you a little since you are lazy and obtuse.
-we don’t have soldiers in Ukraine
-CHIPS act
-Climate
 

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I will help you a little since you are lazy and obtuse.
-we don’t have soldiers in Ukraine
-CHIPS act
-Climate
Thanks for the links. It’s the least you can do to back up your bold claims.

We definitely have troops in Ukraine.

I’ll try to read the links later. At first glance at the headlines it appears the gov’t is going to hand out $50billion to favored technology corporations. A little on the fascist side, but it would probably be popular if people were told about it. At least you admit the other bill is not about reducing inflation, but is intended to hand out cash to favored “climate change” corps. Again, slightly fascist from an economic standpoint, but I don’t think it has been particularly popular outside left-wing circles.

I’m sorry you think my insistence that you back up your claims rather than expect me to know what you’re advocating and blindly research it on my own is obtuse. I don’t think my attitude technically falls under that definition, but I understand why you’d think it is. It’s never fun to make a claim and have some jerk say “show me.”
 
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