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Possibly the most disturbing thing about Russiagate

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No retaliation against Russia? Why are we not spreading chaos, viruses, propaganda, undermining Putin, etc? Nobody should be better at crafting bullshit propoganda than a government ran by U.S. conservatives and yet... nada.

Biff isn't doing a thing that I can tell. That's damning. Turning the other cheek, I guess.
 
syskatine said:
No retaliation against Russia? Why are we not spreading chaos, viruses, propaganda, undermining Putin, etc? Nobody should be better at crafting bullshit propoganda than a government ran by U.S. conservatives and yet... nada.

Biff isn't doing a thing that I can tell. That's damning. Turning the other cheek, I guess.
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Would he tell you if he was doing something?

Would you expect him to put out a press release detailing those things?
 
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Been Jammin said:
Would he tell you if he was doing something?

Would you expect him to put out a press release detailing those things?
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No but you'd think media elsewhere would say something. Ours did. Think Putin's media wouldn't be screaming/warning people about it? The type of coordinated response I have in mind would have to be talked about.

We've done all types of awful, wicked stuff with our fomenting revolutions, hacking and eavesdropping on everyone, etc. and they probably did nothing to us we haven't already done x 99 times over. Still, it was a pretty public, coordinated, adversarial campaign with an appearance of no consequences. I'm struck by how many people knew that Russia's propoganda and destabilizing in Europe was so common before the 2016 election. Still nothing?
 
TPOKE said:
Did I miss the results of Mueller's investigation? A lot of predetermined guilt going on.
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This is the only thing going on...

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MegaPoke said:
I agree. It's become nearly as big a problem as the pending mole people invasion. That's the real reason for the earthquakes. Get woke brah.
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If it would do any good I would post stories about that topic. You would not read them, though. And if you did you would not believe them because they are not written by a guy in a leather vest with a Hitler mustache, living in Mom's basement. Who loves occult and wears devil pendants. Russia trying to destabilize western democracies, and supporting Trump to further that objective, is a fact not a worldview.
 
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What did Russia do to support Trump? I understand someone from Russia may have been involved in hacking DNC emails, but was that part of supporting Trump?
 
Been Jammin said:
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Listened to this.

I dont know how well traveled many of you are across the pages of the interwebs, but what this guy is describing is common knowledge and used by anybody with something to gain at all times.

The left has cherry picked a particular subset and elevated it in an effort to make it meaningful... when reality is closer to this all being a wash with all sides negating each other in the practice.

If there's anything "bad" going on related to Russia, this is not it.
 
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TPOKE said:
Seriously?
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Yes. Can you show me some quotes. I see a lot of arguing that there is enough suspicious stuff to warrant an investigation. But, I am not seeing anyone predicting that it will result in a conviction.
 
syskatine said:
If it would do any good I would post stories about that topic. You would not read them, though. And if you did you would not believe them because they are not written by a guy in a leather vest with a Hitler mustache, living in Mom's basement. Who loves occult and wears devil pendants. Russia trying to destabilize western democracies, and supporting Trump to further that objective, is a fact not a worldview.
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I bet you wear a romper.

 
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syskatine said:
No retaliation against Russia? Why are we not spreading chaos, viruses, propaganda, undermining Putin, etc? Nobody should be better at crafting bullshit propoganda than a government ran by U.S. conservatives and yet... nada.

Biff isn't doing a thing that I can tell. That's damning. Turning the other cheek, I guess.
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This post needs theme music, and only one arrangement of one song will do. You are welcome. Be sure to wait for the kazoo solo.

 
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HighStickHarry said:
The United States has dropped pamphlets and started entire radio stations over the past 60 years to influence elections. Read a history book.
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Likely true.

But, let's just pretend that Kushner, Flynn and Manafort were meeting with the Russians, and making deals with them. Trading X or Y for the kind of help you are referring to. Would you be OK with them doing that and getting away with it?

I just hope we get a definitive answer, one way or another, from the investigation.
 
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Been Jammin said:
Likely true.

But, let's just pretend that Kushner, Flynn and Manafort were meeting with the Russians, and making deals with them. Trading X or Y for the kind of help you are referring to. Would you be OK with them doing that and getting away with it?

I just hope we get a definitive answer, one way or another, from the investigation.
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as a conspiracy theorist I find it very minor that anyone would trade favors for something like this. When I watch media after media after super PAC after super PAC from the left and the right go after trump guns a blazing, i have no problem with Russia hacking the dnc emails. I'll admit that's because it's my team but I think Hillary did this times a thousand with dozens of countries through her foundation and sec of state position. I'm tired of the republicans being mr rogers to the sleaze machine that is the dnc.
 
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Been Jammin said:
Yes. Can you show me some quotes. I see a lot of arguing that there is enough suspicious stuff to warrant an investigation. But, I am not seeing anyone predicting that it will result in a conviction.
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How about the op where she's calling for retaliation? Or the dem senators saying we need an investigation to stop the Russians from interfering with our elections "again".
 
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TPOKE said:
How about the op where she's calling for retaliation? Or the dem senators saying we need an investigation to stop the Russians from interfering with our elections "again".
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I see threads all over this site, claiming that Russia did try to interfere, and that it is par for the course and not a big deal, and that the US does it to everyone else. So, are those examples of predetermined guilt also? Is that what you were referring to in your OP about predetermined guilt?

Is your stance that the Russians may not have done anything in regards to the 2016 election and that it is possible that the US never attempts to influence elections in other countries?
 
Been, the arguments go like this regarding the Russians.

1. Fake news.

2. Okay, not fake news, but there's no real evidence.

3. Okay, there's some evidence, but it doesn't matter because Biff would have won anyhow.

4. So what? Other people have done it, too (Harry now even "thinks" Hillary did it, too, with no factual support. See? Just make up alternative facts.)

Every argument you can come up with, conservatives will float to defeat it and in Harry's case, make shit up. It's comical if it wasn't such clumsy, transparent denial. It's also a pretty good reason why it needs investigated.
 
Not really.
1 is that the messenger isnt to be trusted, so no fact. 2 is setting aside the messenger, the facts themselves are wrong. 3 admits collusion, but its ok because it didn't work (harmless error). 4. Admits collusion, but its ok because other people do it, too. I should add 5 (best defense imo) there was collusion of SPEECH which is to be encouraged, not criminalized.
 
I find it interesting that the left is concerned about the Russians trying to influence the election while ignoring the MSM efforts to destroy Trump and his campaign from day one. If anyone had an influence on the election it was our own media. Unfortunately for the left, they completely misread the public and their coverage caused a huge public backlash that worked against the MSM desires to put Hillary in the White House.
 
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2012Bearcat said:
I find it interesting that the left is concerned about the Russians trying to influence the election while ignoring the MSM efforts to destroy Trump and his campaign from day one. If anyone had an influence on the election it was our own media. Unfortunately for the left, they completely misread the public and their coverage caused a huge public backlash that worked against the MSM desires to put Hillary in the White House.
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If they weren't spending all of their time trying to endear minorities with their hatred of all things white male, the Dems and MSM might have seen their own giant flop coming. It's now too much of an echo chamber for them and their fans to figure anything out about reality now. Just as reflected in the presidential polls in 2016, most of us have just stopped listening to the idiots.
 
2012Bearcat said:
I find it interesting that the left is concerned about the Russians trying to influence the election while ignoring the MSM efforts to destroy Trump and his campaign from day one. If anyone had an influence on the election it was our own media. Unfortunately for the left, they completely misread the public and their coverage caused a huge public backlash that worked against the MSM desires to put Hillary in the White House.
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"Completely misread the public" would be more compelling if Biff didn't lose the popular vote by 3.4 mm.
 
syskatine said:
"Completely misread the public" would be more compelling if Biff didn't lose the popular vote by 3.4 mm.
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Misread enough for the idiot who won the popular vote to lose her ass in the electoral vote. I know, I know, it was a new thing for this election. Hillary should have studied up on this new system and realized she also had to win the minds of people who live outside of a few counties in California and New York.
 
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syskatine said:
"Completely misread the public" would be more compelling if Biff didn't lose the popular vote by 3.4 mm.
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Considering we are governed by a Republic and not a Democracy, the popular vote is meaningless in a Presidential election. Strange how the position of the left changes when things do not work out in their favor. The public overwhelmingly rejects a liberal position and the left uses the Justice System to force their views upon the rest but when the public supports their position, the public is of utmost importance. I think they refer to that as hypocrisy but you can be the judge of that.
 
2012Bearcat said:
Considering we are governed by a Republic and not a Democracy, the popular vote is meaningless in a Presidential election. Strange how the position of the left changes when things do not work out in their favor. The public overwhelmingly rejects a liberal position and the left uses the Justice System to force their views upon the rest but when the public supports their position, the public is of utmost importance. I think they refer to that as hypocrisy but you can be the judge of that.
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Yes. Only the left are hypocrites. Conservatives are never guilty of hypocrisy.

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