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Possible refinery in Cushing?
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Can someone tell me what Cushing and the State are doing to facilitate making this happen?
My guess is it's probably inept if not non-existent.
My guess is it's probably inept if not non-existent.
I'd love to get a new, green refinery in Cushing.
It's such a challenge to attract business in Oklahoma because of our education, I'm skeptical. But if there are environmental issues with refining, I'd expect them to seriously consider Oklahoma given how lax we are on regulating pollution.
It's such a challenge to attract business in Oklahoma because of our education, I'm skeptical. But if there are environmental issues with refining, I'd expect them to seriously consider Oklahoma given how lax we are on regulating pollution.
What's your opinion of Dr. Shrum's new Strategic Vision and Initiative for Oklahoma State?
Can you cite specific disparities between current Oklahoma pollution regulation and other states?
Were they ever overhauled? Were they running the same processes in 1980 that they were in 1930?
I love Shrum, I didn't know it was finished. What'd she come up with? I hope she can raise some serious $$.
I've heard operators discuss how the OCC field guys are a revolving door to private jobs. They don't want to anger operators or it may cost them a job. The Commission is such a paper tiger, it's ran by the utilities and oil and gas industry FOR those industries. I know of one instance where the MIT failed -- like, plainly it was bad. The OCC field guy knew and looked the other way and then the new operator raised hell to no avail. Their reputation in the industry is that they're pretty easy.
I don’t think a town of 8,000 is capable of moving the needle on a $6 billion project.
Maybe some of you all that are more tied into refining can answer me this. The crude available in Cushing is going to be somewhat different than the crude available in El Campo. If true it would seem the economics of each project would be quite a bit different. It seems odd you’d be selecting from two alternative sites. This isn’t like a Tesla plant that you just drop anywhere. The logistics are much more complex.
Why don't they consult with Prior. They've attached major projects to their community. Of course, they had the foresight to build a power plant near their industrial park and offer very attractive long-term energy contracts.
Overhauled? Yes, to some extent. They perform what is commonly referred to as a "turnaround" which changes valves, screens and other shutdown maintenance requirements. For the most part it is near impossible to make major changes to a refinery process once installed. Upgrades can add safety features but the actual process or production flows won't change much. Changing the piping, pressure vessels, heating units, boilers and separation units makes the economic viability a non-starter. The norm is for refineries to be retired and salvaged and newer ones constructed. New refineries are technologically impressive.
Appreciate the info. My previously mentioned uncle ran turn arounds at Hudson as well as new process installations. The old core refinery was largely retired in the 1960s as I understand it and new processes added up until the late 1970s. That is the point I was making. It is not as if these plants were frozen in time from their original installation in the 1920s.
I’m sure they weren’t frozen in time, but I think our approach to environmental safety has evolved since then.
Sure.
Oil Spill Leaks Into Skull Creek Near Cushing; EPA Leading Clean-Up Effort
Crews are working to clean up an oil spill northeast of Cushing in Payne County.
Not sure what this has to do with adding a new refinery.Sure.
Oil Spill Leaks Into Skull Creek Near Cushing; EPA Leading Clean-Up Effort
Crews are working to clean up an oil spill northeast of Cushing in Payne County.www.newson6.com
It has to do with our current standards and practices related to pollution in the oil industry.
https://go.okstate.edu/about-osu/leadership/president/strategic-plan/
https://go.okstate.edu/announcements/presidential-announcements/strategy-unveiled.html
I expect a detailed opinion by EOB Monday.
Why?
Do you believe it addresses education in Oklahoma comprehensively enough to address the issue you raise ITT?
Because it's a step in the right direction. Also, we pay Dr. Shrimp for her judgment, I don't have her expertise or knowledge base. She's smart and capable, imo.
No. I was referring to primary education. The world of higher ed is its own thing. I don't think we're 49th in higher education, but I haven't seen any #'s, either.
Are you supportive of her plan, Brad?
Standards are very high, but nothing is perfect when humans are involved. Post Covid we have also seen an increase in accidents.
The evolution of ecological protection is very evident in the tank farms. I have had the good fortune of being involved with pipelines in and out of some of the most modern and high technology refineries in the world. Ras Laffan in Qatar, Jubail Ali, Arabian Sea in Saudi and Yanbu, Red Sea Saudi are extremely high standard and very well managed. These facilities are very high security granted access and the control systems are computer monitored and accessed. The maintenance and cosmetic upkeep are 24/7/365.
Hey David, you eat only sustainably sourced fish also? Crab fishery in AK just crashed. More to come. But hey in 60 years when the oceans are dead, I will worry about this refinery in OK.
Who owns and runs them?
Isn't it sickening?
The salmon runs are about over, too. It's just a nightmare.
So you are all for the beef industry then, right? You would vote against fart taxes on the beef industry?
A wide variety of ownership. The smaller ones, like on gulf coast USA are often privately held. They contract to process crude for different clients. The major oil companies often own refineries. As I recall, Texas City, Texas refineries are owned by Valero and Marathon. Ras Laffan in Qatar is owned by Chevron Phillips JV and Qatar Petroleum Corp. Saudi Aramco owns refineries is the USA but keep in mind that Aramco is also a Texas registered corporation. British Petroleum is another US refinery owner. Refineries in Saudi Arabia set up a single company, Saudi Arabia Refineries that owns all or majority of the various refineries. Same for management or operations. This is often driven by issues such as liability etc. Majors will often not relinquish operational management due to the ability to secure liability insurance on a grand scale.
If the money would be earmarked for something productive to stop climate change I just might! I think you were probably put on Earth just for this reason: to measure and sniff cow farts.
We can always rely on you guys for the thick, irrelevant, repetition. Yes, we know -- private industry is better. Government is probably why the crabs and salmon are disappearing, right?
I was wondering who built these clean state of the art refineries you were talking about. It sounded like you were saying the ones in the ME were greener than the ones here. I'm just curious if government $ went into those refineries. It may not be economically realistic for oil companies to build those here.
You are quite the pescophiliac - I try to eat sustainable seafood when it is knowable. I also support the beef industry. Why this very weekend I hope to meet up with some folks in the feedlot business to talk about a company we are using vision AI to identify cows in distress on the lot. You know anyone who runs a feed lot I could get some time with over the homecoming weekend?
Bechtel out of San Francisco designed and were Project Managers on the Saudi facilities. Bechtel has been entrenched in Saudi for many years. There were several contractors involved in the various stages of development. Chicago Bridge and Iron (CBI) where a major player. Saudi has a group called Saudi Basic Industries (SABIC) that is 70% owned by Aramco that produces many different products within these complexes in Jubail and Yanbu.
Qatar is an LNG facility and was designed by Fluor-Daniel in Houston and Chevron Phillips were the Project Manager. Many contractors. Conoco Phillips had a guy that was a very experienced kingpin in LNG Train Building. He was in Qatar for the full LNG facility development. Qatar and Saudi facilities are majority owned by their government.
It is no secret that foreign development is much easier and of higher standards than in the USA. The USA has far too many regulating authorities, restrictions and permitting that adds extreme admin and certification cost to the project. Way too many bureaucrats in the USA. Example: An Environmental Impact Study for pipelines is submitted, reviewed, refined or approved within 2 months in Saudi with fast track services that can take as little as two weeks with a trip to the ministry in Riyadh. It takes over a year in the US. I suspect building a refinery in the US is based on the "path of least resistance". My career was 100% international but I worked with many Americans that worked in the US.
That is a very stupid statement that you cannot defend. Leaks can happen on recently inspected and certified lines. Current standards and practices are good. Detection and insolation should have a higher priority requirement in the industry.
Not anymore. One of our wells fails an MIT and it’s shut in and checked on frequently to make sure it stays that way. MIT’s are even tougher. You have to hold pressure for 30 minutes. Back in the day if it pressured up and held for 30 seconds they were good. The OCC is by no means a paper tiger. Deal with them almost daily and they are pretty damn strict especially in Oklahoma county.
They have a huge refinery complex in Kandla, Gujarat. It is fed by ONGC Bombay High Field (offshore). Their technology is sh!t. They cut corners and go cheap. The Indians are building a large refinery in Lekki Free Trade Zone in Nigeria for Aliko Dangote. It is 1970s technology. Most countries refused to participate in the construction due to the Indian designed by Engineers India Ltd.
How many other countries with private industries did you work to rank the US as the GOAT? I'm curious.
