Imagine being smug about being a leftist in Portland.
@davidallen, I think HSH found the answer to the question you've been Dodge Allening.Imagine being smug about being a leftist in Portland.
RacistImagine being smug about being a leftist in Portland.
What kind of an idiot? The contemporary idiot.@my_2cents your ideas suck. What kind of an idiot would want this kind of pain and destruction implemented anywhere near their family?
From Bari Weiss’ Substack site comes a plea by a progressive for his fellow progressives to stop with the idiocy.Yikes, maybe they should defund the police if they can't keep the homicide rate down.
Dan, That does not seem to be written by Bari Weiss, just hosted on her substack.I was surprised to hear Bari Weiss call herself a progressive. I did not know she thought of herself as such. Taking her at her word here’s an article by a progressive begging her fellow progressives to wise up.
When the Crime Wave Hits Your Family
Our nanny’s living room in Oakland was sprayed with bullets. It didn’t even make the local news.bariweiss.substack.com
Yes, I caught my mistake after I posted it. It has now been revised!Dan, That does not seem to be written by Bari Weiss, just hosted on her substack.
Seems to be long on anecdotes and short on data.
If defund the police were really the cause of this wave of violence it sure wouldn't be hard to prove at least a correlation.Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
Re: the anecdote about the shooting in Oakland. Oakland didn't reduce their police budget!Yes, I caught my mistake after I posted it. It has now been revised!
Again, Democrats and Progressives can wait for data, but when fellow Progressives point out the mistakes it would be wise to listen to them. Waiting for the data may be too late. The people living the data may not take kindly to being experimental toys.Dan, That does not seem to be written by Bari Weiss, just hosted on her substack.
Seems to be long on anecdotes and short on data.
If defund the police were really the cause of this wave of violence it sure wouldn't be hard to prove at least a correlation.Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
That's way too long for my limited attention span. I notice it says it covers the years 2010-2015. That was a lifetime ago. Can you give me an edited version of what it says?Interesting paper on the "Ferguson Effect"
Did de‐policing cause the increase in homicide rates?
Research Summary Widespread protests and demands for accountability in the wake of broadly publicized police killings of unarmed civilians coincided with the marked upturn in homicide levels, especi...onlinelibrary.wiley.com
The data is not hard to come by Dan. We know police budgets and we know the homicide rates.Again, Democrats and Progressives can wait for data, but when fellow Progressives point out the mistakes it would be wise to listen to them. Waiting for the data may be too late. The people living the data may not take kindly to being experimental toys.
Dan the first thing on that page is an abstract. Read it.That's way too long for my limited attention span. I notice it says it covers the years 2010-2015. That was a lifetime ago. Can you give me an edited version of what it says?
I thank God I don't live in a crime-ridden neighborhood. Not yet, anyway. But if I did I would say the hell with the data, don't defund the police.The data is not hard to come by Dan. We know police budgets and we know the homicide rates.
I read the first page. I didn't read the study. The abstract doesn't really say anything much different from what the link I posted said. The difference as I see it is the link I posted was written by a guy that lived only a few blocks away from a neighborhood being shot up while his friend and her family were ducking for cover, while the paper you posted is data provided by academics whose neighborhoods have not been shot up. Sometimes it is best to go with lived reality, not the other way.Dan the first thing on that page is an abstract. Read it.
on what basis? gut feel?I thank God I don't live in a crime-ridden neighborhood. Not yet, anyway. But if I did I would say the hell with the data, don't defund the police.
The guy who got shot up lived in a city that increased police funding!I read the first page. I didn't read the study. The abstract doesn't really say anything much different from what the link I posted said. The difference as I see it is the link I posted was written by a guy that lived only a few blocks away from a neighborhood being shot up while his friend and her family were ducking for cover, while the paper you posted is data provided by academics whose neighborhoods have not been shot up. Sometimes it is best to go with lived reality, not the other way.
If only "arrest rates" were the sole variable...The guy who got shot up lived in a city that increased police funding!
You missed this part? " We use structural equation modeling to estimate the simultaneous relationship between arrest and homicide rates between 2010 and 2015 in 53 large cities. We find no evidence of an effect of arrest rates on city homicide rates for any offense category for any year in this period, including 2015, the year of the spike in homicide levels."
If the hypothesis is "The Ferguson riots reduced police interaction with criminal suspects which lead to an increase in homicides" I think arrest rates may not be the sole variable but it is certainly is sufficient to disprove the hypothesis.If only "arrest rates" were the sole variable...
Is that actually the hypothesis?If the hypothesis is "The Ferguson riots reduced police interaction with criminal suspects which lead to an increase in homicides" I think arrest rates may not be the sole variable but it is certainly is sufficient to disprove the hypothesis.
I'm open to alternative hypothesesIs that actually the hypothesis?
Have you read the paper or just the abstract?I'm open to alternative hypotheses
just the abstract. You got the hook up?Have you read the paper or just the abstract?
Yes, gut feel. It would take only one time to see my family at risk to know I wouldn’t want to defund the police. I’m all for reform of things like qualified immunity and confiscation of property. But if I lived in a crime riddled neighborhood I would want the police to be on every street corner. So, yes, it’s a gut feel.on what basis? gut feel?
Ponca Dan, ladies and gentlemenI would want the police to be on every street corner. So, yes, it’s a gut feel.
Ummm Bari Weiss is a right wing spin nazi. Same as Krystal Ball.From Bari Weiss’ Substack site comes a plea by a progressive for his fellow progressives to stop with the idiocy.
When the Crime Wave Hits Your Family
Our nanny’s living room in Oakland was sprayed with bullets. It didn’t even make the local news.bariweiss.substack.com
Don't tell me you were supporting their conclusion based on an abstract. Wtf?just the abstract. You got the hook up?