Polls
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A good poll, and the conservatives are on here:
https://oklahomastate.forums.rivals...mush-pile-on-general-flynn.58666/#post-938619
A bad one and they're like:
https://oklahomastate.forums.rivals...mush-pile-on-general-flynn.58666/#post-938619
A bad one and they're like:
We get it. Lefties don't like Trump. Oh well. The country moves forward.
The left had the past 8 years to get something right, anything right, and they chose a shitty healthcare law, identity politics, bathroom usage, overreaching regulation, partisan division, and shitty foreign policy as their working platform. And that's why they are no longer in charge of anything. Time for the Dems to regroup and start working for the people again.
The left had the past 8 years to get something right, anything right, and they chose a shitty healthcare law, identity politics, bathroom usage, overreaching regulation, partisan division, and shitty foreign policy as their working platform. And that's why they are no longer in charge of anything. Time for the Dems to regroup and start working for the people again.
If polls only set policy and filled the SCOTUS. Take solace in your polls as America is fundamentally changed. Let's see what happens next election cycle, that is the polls that count.
From a left leaning dude.
Lefties, this is how you retain intellectual honesty. You have THE perfect example here, live and in living color.
I honestly desire a healthy, balanced Dem party. Fresh ideas, grounded in reality, and serving the entire populace are good, where ever they originate. Challenge the right with your healthy ideas. Get the pendulum to swing back toward you.
Right now the Dem party is doing a big disservice to ALL of us, even the most partisan righty. You offer nothing.
The final RCP average of the national polls had Clinton winning the popular vote by 3.2%. She won the popular vote by 2.1%. Rather accurate and well within the margin of error (a difference of only 1.1%).
Well that and 9.50$ can get you a half soy low fat sugar free mocha froth shut the fvck up.
And they got a lot right. After all, Obama got re-elected. He also had larger electoral college victories than Trump and he actually won the popular vote both times. And he left office with a high approval rating.
Those on the right are lucky that Obama couldn't run for a third term.
How bout those state polls, huh.
National polling is the same a popular vote....diddly squat.
The polls being discussed on this thread that measure presidential approval ratings are national polls, not state polls. Hence the comparison to the national polling during the election.
Try to keep up.
The left wouldn't claim me these days. I didn't buy in to the "progressive" direction of the party the past 8 years. I've been tossed aside like the Jim Webbs of the party.
Well geez, electoral college margins, popular vote margins, approval ratings, and the absolutely retarded thought of "if 0bama could run for a third term" sure did get shit done for the people...
Oh wait. No they don't. And the Dems have little else to point to except fringe ideolgue bullshit victories of what bathroom is OK to use and Republican control of this country.
That reelection? Yep, and he still didn't do anything useful. There's a reason Dems aren't in charge of anything. Let me say it again so you'll read it again. There's a reason Dems aren't in charge of anything. I hope for the sake of my old party they don't continue the nut grabbing useless identity politics that got them where they are now. That's going to lead to something I don't want and that's a Republican party that can't be checked by the minority party.
Keep your head in the sand and ears on the speaker of the usual party talking points. At the rate the Dems are going, you'll need all of that pacifier and more to soothe yourself. Or get your head out of your ass and be angry the Dems have put themselves in a position of near irrelevance. Fantasy bullshit and participation trophies aren't going to get it done.
Then why are you attempting to allege that it is "lucky" he can't run again?
Your Transitive Property is kaput.
This isn't rocket science, man.
You do realize that eight years ago Republicans were not in charge of anything, correct? Yeah, a lot of talk back then about Republican "near irrelevance" as well.
Power cycles in politics is common place. I agree that the Democrats need to learn from the mistakes of 2016 but to think that Democrats are now irrelevant or doomed to electoral failure in the future is not only ignorant it ignores the shifting demographics in this country.
I've frankly been rather surprised at the level of opposition Democrats have been able to show considering they are in the minority right now in Washington D.C.
I said that those on the right are lucky Obama couldn't run for a third term, which is true. Obama is not Clinton. Heck fire, those on the right are lucky Sanders didn't get the nomination because he too would have beaten Trump.
The right got lucky that the Democrats nominated the wrong candidate in 2016. Hopefully, the Democrats won't make that same mistake in 2020.
"Luck" has nothing to do with it. Even if the constitution allowed a 3rd term, you are not viewing a history that demonstrates the interaction between Obama and any accountability tied to 8 years of performance. Your hypothesizing on something not testable and that is hugely crippled in the understanding of how things unfold in the face of different outcomes. You'd be a piss poor researcher.
Anything on your Transitive Property fail and subsequent snark?
Or are you going to just stand there and bleed
Of course I am, just like many of you are hypothesizing on what will happen in 2018 and onward. Does that stop you guys from doing it though?
Again, try to keep up.
Yes, unlike Obama clearly not bring able to run again (and reality unfolding predictably due to that certainty), democratic senators are KNOWN to be defending states that tend to go against them.
See how one is not like the other?
For starters, let's start with the basics, one speculative position is based on probabilities that WILL eventually unfold one way or the other. The other is cemented in certainty, alleviating the need to adhere to actions or words that introduce consequence.
You following?
Is this level of dense purposeful? Are you trying to look like the board idiot?
Yes, Republicans were in the same spot 8 years ago. And then what happened. Poof, they changed leading up to the 2016 election. Now they have it all. What did not happen is the head in the ass hysterics that the left is engaging in right now.
Let me get out the crayons for you. Party power does change. It is cyclical as you said. Now using the brightest bestest color in the box... If the Democrats do not acknowledge their failures and continue down the path that put them in a 2017 position of no control, it isn't going to change. Is that so difficult to latch your brain onto?
But you are still hypothesizing, regardless of how you now are trying to justify that hypothesizing.
Keep chasing your tail. I am sure one of your buddies on here will like your post and make you feel better.
"Polls" can be fixed by taking power away from Washington and giving it back to the states. So much should not be riding on the outcomes of our national elections, federal government should be making it easier for the states to govern themselves, not harder.
I wouldn't say the Republicans have "changed." For the most part, the Republican Party is still pretty much the same as it was in 2009. Trump was just able to harness enough disaffected voters in 2016 to win a close electoral college victory. And the congressional gains the Republicans made is similar to the gains the Democrats made under Bush and most likely will make in 2018 (if recent political trends continue).
Now, instead of trying to simply disagree with me, try actually reading what follows. I don't disagree with you that the Democratic Party needs to learn from their mistakes. I will post this again just in case you missed that...I don't disagree with you that the Democratic Party needs to learn from their mistakes.
No where have I said the Democratic Party hasn't made mistakes and doesn't need to make some changes. From what I can discern at this point, you and I may disagree as to what those mistakes are, but again, I don't disagree with you that the Democratic Party needs to learn from their mistakes in 2016.
Lol.
Do you understand how certainty and lack of certainty (2 distinct things) interplay with probability?
This is low hanging fruit. Knock it out of the park.
One of those mistakes is the "luck" that the left can't run Obama again. Amirite?!
No, the luck is on the part of the Republicans. The mistake of the Democratic Party, if there is one in relation to Obama and a third term, would be a historical mistake. Too many Southern Democrats went along with Republicans in approving the Twenty-second Amendment because the Republicans couldn't figure out a way to defeat FDR.
