Our President Has Problems With Numbers

[Ponca Dan]

Can the pro-Trump faction on this board recognize he’s being untruthful? Do they care?


https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/08/numbers-to-know-before-trumps-address-ab

 

[HighStickHarry]

I can only speak for me but I don’t care.

When a truthful faithful husband With a theology degree and a perfect ass who fights liberal dipshits as hard as trump does comes along let me know.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I can only speak for me but I don’t care.

When a truthful faithful husband With a theology degree and a perfect ass who fights liberal dipshits as hard as trump does comes along let me know.

It does not surprise me, and it will not surprise me if others say they don’t care either. Knowing this to be true is extremely disturbing to me. The same people who railed against Obama’s perpetual lies now seem unconcerned with Trump’s.

I keep trying to explain to you guys that you are being duped into choosing one of the teams. You need to expand your understanding of what is happening. The teams have deceived you into thinking they are in an epic struggle with each other. While that’s true from one perspective the truth is both teams agree that government should be intrusive into all our lives. They only disagree over which intrusion should come first.

So when Democrats have power they institute controls they want, and when Republican have power they institute their preferred controls. Either way our freedoms are slowly being whittled away. And they have set it up so the pawns for both teams (us) cheer their loss because they think it is a contest and they want their team to win. Well, guess what, both your teams are winning, and you - we - are all the losers!

It baffles me how so many people fail to see what is happening right in front of them, and actually encourage it.

 

[MegaPoke]

Dan can you break this down for me?

 

[HighStickHarry]

It does not surprise me, and it will not surprise me if others say they don’t care either. Knowing this to be true is extremely disturbing to me. The same people who railed against Obama’s perpetual lies now seem unconcerned with Trump’s.

I keep trying to explain to you guys that you are being duped into choosing one of the teams. You need to expand your understanding of what is happening. The teams have deceived you into thinking they are in an epic struggle with each other. While that’s true from one perspective the truth is both teams agree that government should be intrusive into all our lives. They only disagree over which intrusion should come first.

So when Democrats have power they institute controls they want, and when Republican have power they institute their preferred controls. Either way our freedoms are slowly being whittled away. And they have set it up so the pawns for both teams (us) cheer their loss because they think it is a contest and they want their team to win. Well, guess what, both your teams are winning, and you - we - are all the losers!

It baffles me how so many people fail to see what is happening right in front of them, and actually encourage it.

You are being dense. I know both teams suck. I know what is going on. I’m not missing anything. I have to support trump. Like it or not we have two choices. You are being childlike pretending there is another option. It’s like an imaginary friend.

Sitting out, not voting for forty years and then declaring yourself king of the intellectual mountain is what baffles me.

 

[Medic007]

Can the pro-Trump faction on this board recognize he’s being untruthful? Do they care?


https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/08/numbers-to-know-before-trumps-address-ab

He's pulling crap out of his ass like he frequently does. He'd be better off if he stuck to the real problem which isn't the illegal immigrants themselves, it's the human trafficking that goes hand in hand with them. Highlighting the terrible human abuses that illegal immigrants are subjected to by traffickers would be honest and a much more effective way to frame the issue. If a wall can put a dent in human trafficking, that's a win by anyone's standards.

 

[Medic007]

Dan can you break this down for me?

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It's hilarious seeing the then and now framed together. Thanks for posting Mega.

 

[HighStickHarry]

It's hilarious seeing the then and now framed together. Thanks for posting Mega.

Why can’t syskatine see this? Cup? Any of these npc’s? Why can’t they see it? It’s like a spell has been cast over them.

 

[aix_xpert]

I know its not the point of your article, but there's some real head-scratchers that make me support this even further. For example, in 2000, we caught 1.6 Million illegal immigrants entering and we basically said: "Well, uh, this is bad, we should do something, maybe a future congress and president will actually stand up and do our job." And we've been saying it every year since. The problem with the number is that it only measures arrested.

Also, if you enter the country illegally, you are a criminal. If i entered India illegally, I'd be considered a criminal. If I entered the UK illegally, I'd be considered a criminal. And both of those countries (while they may not go looking for me) would immediately deport me or jail me if I was made aware to the authorities. So why is it wrong for us to run our country exactly like this.

As for cost, I suspect that (again) we will never have a 2000 mile border wall. But its logical to install walls in places that are known trafficking points or where we don't have reasonable natural barriers to entry.

As for illegals who came here illegally vs. those who overstay a visa. There are two key differences: 1) The person who got a visa is known to the government (they've registered to get the original visa) and 2) most came over with some kind of school or work visa so have a skillset they offer to society.

But its irrelevant. Neither side is changing their positions (well, except for Dems who 10 years ago completely agreed with securing the border but somehow have changed). Some people believe walls work, and some believe they are immoral (unless being used on their own property).

 

[Medic007]

Why can’t syskatine see this? Cup? Any of these npc’s? Why can’t they see it? It’s like a spell has been cast over them.

Obama did build that. That's what effective brainwashing and indoctrination look like. People in North Korea actually believe the Kims don't poop.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Obama did build that. That's what effective brainwashing and indoctrination look like. People in North Korea actually believe the Kims don't poop.

Those people and the libs that would follow leader Schumer off a cliff need to be in hospitals undergoing testing.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Dan can you break this down for me?

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Yes, that’s easy. Schumer and Pelosi are lying rat bastards the are addicted to power and want to have control over our lives, and will say or do anything to get that control. They are not public servants and do not see themselves as such. IMO given the opportunity they would just as well choose to have dictatorial power.

 

[MegaPoke]

Yes, that’s easy. Schumer and Pelosi are lying rat bastards the are addicted to power and want to have control over our lives, and will say or do anything to get that control. They are not public servants and do not see themselves as such. IMO given the opportunity they would just as well choose to have dictatorial power.

Thanks. I agree. Seems like a much bigger credibility problem by comparison.

 

[Ponca Dan]

You are being dense. I know both teams suck. I know what is going on. I’m not missing anything. I have to support trump. Like it or not we have two choices. You are being childlike pretending there is another option. It’s like an imaginary friend.

Sitting out, not voting for forty years and then declaring yourself king of the intellectual mountain is what baffles me.

For many - you included, apparently - it’s a game, sort of political bedlam, with your team the good guys (or at least better than them) and the other team the bad guys. And you support your team even though you readily admit they’re bad. You cheer your team’s victories even though they may be harmful because it is more important to you for your team to win. That seems to be the attitude of most people; you’re in the vast majority.

As for me I am content to hang out in my morally superior intellectual mountain retreat. We all get to choose. I choose not to participate.

 

[aix_xpert]

Thanks. I agree. Seems like a much bigger credibility problem by comparison.

This is the real issue with the polarization of the media. Credibility doesn't matter because your own team will never call you on it. And this is why the media itself no longer has any credibility.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I know its not the point of your article, but there's some real head-scratchers that make me support this even further. For example, in 2000, we caught 1.6 Million illegal immigrants entering and we basically said: "Well, uh, this is bad, we should do something, maybe a future congress and president will actually stand up and do our job." And we've been saying it every year since. The problem with the number is that it only measures arrested.

Also, if you enter the country illegally, you are a criminal. If i entered India illegally, I'd be considered a criminal. If I entered the UK illegally, I'd be considered a criminal. And both of those countries (while they may not go looking for me) would immediately deport me or jail me if I was made aware to the authorities. So why is it wrong for us to run our country exactly like this.

As for cost, I suspect that (again) we will never have a 2000 mile border wall. But its logical to install walls in places that are known trafficking points or where we don't have reasonable natural barriers to entry.

As for illegals who came here illegally vs. those who overstay a visa. There are two key differences: 1) The person who got a visa is known to the government (they've registered to get the original visa) and 2) most came over with some kind of school or work visa so have a skillset they offer to society.

But its irrelevant. Neither side is changing their positions (well, except for Dems who 10 years ago completely agreed with securing the border but somehow have changed). Some people believe walls work, and some believe they are immoral (unless being used on their own property).

Outstanding! I’m too old and it’s too late for me to reply. I would pick a few nits with what you wrote, but I really appreciate your thoughtful response.

 

[aix_xpert]

Outstanding! I’m too old and it’s too late for me to reply. I would pick a few nits with what you wrote, but I really appreciate your thoughtful response.

Feel free to pick nits. I always enjoy a good discussion (vs. the e-peen contests, personal attacks, and millennial whining that occurs in too many threads). I don't disagree with your original post that Trump plays fast and loose with the numbers. It aligns to his constant use of hyperbole and needing to make everything bigger than it is.