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Our conservative Congress today.

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While they keep Obamacare's consumer protections for themselves, they repeal it for everyone else. Then, when asked if they've read the bill...



They've made Nancy Pelosi a preferable alternative.
 
Much like the bill it replaces.

I know many Americans who were helped by the ACA, including some of my family members. They have health insurance today because of the ACA.

I will be the first to admit that the ACA wasn't perfect and needed reform. But what is taking place today in Congress isn't going to fix anything and instead is going to hurt Americans.

But hey, the House GOP and Trump can claim a political victory. And that is all that really matters to them.
 
I admit I haven't read enough of the details to determine if is better or worse than Obamacare. Has anyone else seen the details?
From the little detail I have seen it appears to be marginally better, IMO, but if we have government subsidized insurance then it ought to be for catastrophic incidents.
And I recognize this is can be perceived as heartless, but don't agree with pre-existing conditions requirement.
 
One thing this TrumpCare vote should put a spotlight on, but it won't, is how haphazard our congressmen and leaders are regardless of political party.

First, we had ObamaCare which even supporters should admit was sold to Americans on several outright lies and intentional misstatements. Then the website to signup was a joke. Now we have TrumpCare which was voted on before a new revised impact was built to inform the congress.
 
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I admit I haven't read enough of the details to determine if is better or worse than Obamacare. Has anyone else seen the details?
From the little detail I have seen it appears to be marginally better, IMO, but if we have government subsidized insurance then it ought to be for catastrophic incidents.
And I recognize this is can be perceived as heartless, but don't agree with pre-existing conditions requirement.

Have you found any kind of cliffs notes version of this thing anywhere? Looking for a bullet point list of it's details is surprisingly difficult to find. In particular, will insurance be able to be bought/sold across state lines?
 
Sys, I haven't bothered to read the responses, but I have a couple of questions I would ask you.
1). Would you please give your definition of conservatism?
2). In what way has this congress behaved as conservative?
 
Pretty straitforward definition: https://www.google.com/search?q=con...att-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#xxri=3

They did what conservatives have screamed for for years: repealed Obamacare. Am I missing something?
That's a cop out. What's YOUR definition? What do conservatives advocate? Not concerned with what they oppose. What kind of world do conservatives want to see? And what has this congress done to achieve that end?
(For what it's worth I'm a libertarian. I dislike this congress as much as you. I just wonder what it is that makes you call this a conservative congress.)
 
That's a cop out. What's YOUR definition? What do conservatives advocate? Not concerned with what they oppose. What kind of world do conservatives want to see? And what has this congress done to achieve that end?
(For what it's worth I'm a libertarian. I dislike this congress as much as you. I just wonder what it is that makes you call this a conservative congress.)
He's a binary thinker. If you're not a party bootlicking Democrat, you're a conservative. There is nothing in between in his world view.
 
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That's a cop out. What's YOUR definition? What do conservatives advocate? Not concerned with what they oppose. What kind of world do conservatives want to see? And what has this congress done to achieve that end?
(For what it's worth I'm a libertarian. I dislike this congress as much as you. I just wonder what it is that makes you call this a conservative congress.)

MY definition is what the dictionary says. I don't take a word that means something and re-define the word because I want it to mean something else. A definition is an objective thing, imo. A dictionary definition is a fact. That's the definition, and it mystifies me why anyone would read that and say, "Yeah, I want to resist change as a political ideology."

Examples? Congress just invalidated laws to return to the old, shitty, status quo, i.e. no health care regulation. Rather than refine and improve, they want to return to laissez faire health policy, like we're in the 1800's. Regress. Go back. Look backward. Make the same mistakes. Allow the citizenry's health care to become polarized and controlled by a few big business insurers that don't die, bleed or sleep.
Second example: Biff's (campaign? Him? Manaforte? I don't know) phone call last year with some Russian intel target was swept up in legal eavesdropping that had a FISA warrant. Biff wins the election and pops off that Obama wired Trump Tower. He can't back it up and the media derides Biff and people mock his lying. Biff digs up evidence that the NSA eavesdropped on the prior call with a russian, FISA-approved, target. The White House calls the Republican chair of the house intelligence committee that is supposed to be investigating Biff's Russia connection and has him come to the WH and look at the evidence of the eavesdropping. The Chair goes back to his office, calls a presser and says as the Chair that he has been provided something that substantiates Trump's claim, and makes a production out of going to the WH to tell them about this REVELATION! the WH actually just gave him. He doesn't inform the committee of any of it. He refuses to say where he got it, but the entire charade is exposed. Not a peep about it from the conservatives on here. The corporate "liberal" media moved on in about 24 hours.

Conservative? I can't say that charade addresses the "conservative" definition but it's an example of conservative congressional conduct b/c:

1. It was done by self-professed conservatives, and

2) It was all enabled by conservative voters. FISA judges, Trump, Nunes, all of it.

That's enough to fairly label Congress and Biff's conduct as "conservative", sort of like how the Soviet Union was "communist." An ideology in real world practice is what it is. There is an example of a law they passed and their conduct when they're in charge of an objective investigation. The last two republican presidents and congresses are self professed conservatives, elected as and by conservatives, for some time now. It is what it is.

What do they want? I think their preferred country is all about plutocracy, control, ignorance, and personal greed. They dry up opportunity because they sell out to Big Business/corporations that never die. Their intellectual forefathers owned slaves, opposed medicare and social security, opposed I-40, demanded religious conformity, opposed equality in all its forms, reject modern scientific consensus.... Wm. F. Buckley was accurate when he said they stand astride history and yell "Stop!" It's a defeatist ideology. They are manipulated into hating irrelevant strawmen and obsess over the extremes.

Their religious wing is a big part of it. That demographic used to be pacifist, now they're jingoist. Christ said render under Caesar what is Caesar's, give the g-man your cloak, get along with and stay out of government. He said don't concern yourself with acquiring money and acquiring wealth is to be avoided. The modern Christian (biggest "Conservative" demographic?) actively and unabashedly lobbies for control of tax policy so they can build wealth.

I SEE these things, these aren't opinions. We haven't even discussed the conservative/libertarian small government paradise that is Oklahoma. Your turn: If small government is so great, why is Oklahoma so bad at education, health care and transportation?
 
He thinks Somalia is a libertarian ideal. Somalia.

I think that probably explains it better than his long post which, to be fair, I didn't read.

You should have. It's even better than the cartoon or nazi propoganda you like to pass around. PEARLS in that post.

Somalia's what you guys want, isn't it? Government leaving people alone, lots of guns? Lots of respect for religion? No taxes?
 
You should have. It's even better than the cartoon or nazi propoganda you like to pass around. PEARLS in that post.

Somalia's what you guys want, isn't it? Government leaving people alone, lots of guns? Lots of respect for religion? No taxes?

Thamks. I just won another $20 bet from @HighStickHarry that I could make you repeat the Somalia analogy after you had already been depantsed over it pretty comically last time.
 
Garnish his wife.


Your attacks on stay at home parents are very telling. Sponges on society i think was how you put it. Or is it just men? I know your goal is to tear apart the traditional family. Rest assured I am conditioning my kids with conservative values all day every day.
 
Your attacks on stay at home parents are very telling. Sponges on society i think was how you put it. Or is it just men? I know your goal is to tear apart the traditional family. Rest assured I am conditioning my kids with conservative values all day every day.
He's likely just jealous because women in his life have treated him like a step stool or dirty dish rag. Classic little man syndrome on full display.
 
He's likely just jealous because women in his life have treated him like a step stool or dirty dish rag. Classic little man syndrome on full display.

It's odd to me that a liberal would use this as an attack point. I get some static from some of the perkins rubes, but a progressive? Not consistent but I guess being an ass overrides all of that other stuff.
 
It's odd to me that a liberal would use this as an attack point. I get some static from some of the perkins rubes, but a progressive? Not consistent but I guess being an ass overrides all of that other stuff.
Again, the jealousy is obvious. He's pissed because in his mind you've way outkicked your coverage while he's spent his life with "sturdy" chicks at the catfish buffet. Probably the homely catfish buffet waitress type that doesn't say no to some guy that has his own car and house regardless if he looks like Quasimodo and smells like a smoky men's restroom.
 
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