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Oregon: Second Amendment alive and well today

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Aaaaand yet another 2nd Amendment shooting today. A 20 year old male asked everyone to stand up and state their religion and then shot at least 33? Killed 13 and wounded 20 is what they're saying.

Once again, we've given a loser the right to decide who lives or dies in a real fast time. Guess those dead students should've been packing heat.
 
Can you confirm if his weapon was purchased legally?

Which amendment allowed him to murder?
 
poke2001 said:
Can you confirm if his weapon was purchased legally?

Which amendment allowed him to murder?
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Great question. Apparently the second amendment (circa 1792?) gave him the right to easily acquire the ability to destroy between 10 and 30 lives in a few seconds, and emotionally destroy multiples of that. Actually, it didn't -- it authorized flintlocks and muskets. The semiautomatic firearms that keep killing people weren't even around back then.
 
so he must not have broken a single law today, huh?
 
syskatine said:
Easy as pie for a madman to get his hands on a killing machine, isn't it? Why do you want to keep it that way?
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You've got 2 dozen of them. You must absolutely frighten yourself. How does that work?

Predictable dodge on the question about the shooter obtaining his gun legally though. Change it up a bit. Your rants are getting boring and ignorable.
 
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The story of how this guy got his guns, why he picked Roseburg, what his motivation was, his political affiliations, religious beliefs, etc will probably dominate the news for the next couple of weeks then it will fade until the next nut job gets his hands on a load of firepower and decides to shoot somewhere else up.

This one was too close to home. I had a kid at Portland Community College today ... have to say it was tense when the news first broke.
 
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syskatine said:
Aaaaand yet another 2nd Amendment shooting today. A 20 year old male asked everyone to stand up and state their religion and then shot at least 33? Killed 13 and wounded 20 is what they're saying.

Once again, we've given a loser the right to decide who lives or dies in a real fast time. Guess those dead students should've been packing heat.
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Aaaaaand yet again, mental health. Not the Constitution.
 
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I think right wingers like in some level that a total loser has that much power. Talent, education, work ethic, goodness -- all irrelevant in .01 seconds if a loser decides it's irrelevant. They LIKE knowing the least in society has the most power whenever they want it.
 
poke2001 said:
Do you know for sure he legally purchased his firearm?
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Do you have any ideas of your own, or just bitch about other people's? Pretty easy to just sit back and criticize other people's ideas without ever lifting a finger to formulate a solution yourself. What do you propose?
 
MegaPoke said:
Irrelevant.
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Riiiiiight. Has nothing to do with it. Whether guns are different than in 1791 is irrelevant in deciding how to handle 1791 gun laws, to the extent there even were any. This is the level of intellectual honesty one gets from the right on gun issues.
 
syskatine said:
Do you have any ideas of your own, or just bitch about other people's? Pretty easy to just sit back and criticize other people's ideas without ever lifting a finger to formulate a solution yourself. What do you propose?
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And what do you propose? A 3rd term for your messiah? Gun ban? How do we keep the madmen away from killing machines?
 
syskatine said:
Riiiiiight. Has nothing to do with it. Whether guns are different than in 1791 is irrelevant in deciding how to handle 1791 gun laws, to the extent there even were any. This is the level of intellectual honesty one gets from the right on gun issues.
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Speaking of honesty, tell us about your two dozen guns. Surely, given your public position on guns, they are all 1791 style muzzle loaders.
 
syskatine said:
Riiiiiight. Has nothing to do with it. Whether guns are different than in 1791 is irrelevant in deciding how to handle 1791 gun laws, to the extent there even were any. This is the level of intellectual honesty one gets from the right on gun issues.
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It was never about gun technology. How in the blue hell do you clowns come up with this tripe? Semi-automatic firearms have been around in the public's hands for well over a century. This isn't some new technology that only the magic Obama has to deal with.

Every time huh? Every time this happens, you are going to bleat the same warbling cry aren't you? What a great opportunity to use warm bodies to wipe your ass with the Constitution! Great American.
 
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I always think it's hilarious when Obama supporters complain about gun control yet remained conveniently silent when the Obama administration put thousands upon thousands of guns in the hands of dangerous Mexican criminals.
 
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Medic007 said:
Speaking of honesty, tell us about your two dozen guns. Surely, given your public position on guns, they are all 1791 style muzzle loaders.
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And again.... you need to answer my question: Please explain the difference between hypocrisy and intellectual honesty. Until you demonstrate basic understanding of both concepts, I decline to waste my time arguing them.
 
ThePokewithNoName said:
I always think it's hilarious when Obama supporters complain about gun control yet remained conveniently silent when the Obama administration put thousands upon thousands of guns in the hands of dangerous Mexican criminals.
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I think it's hilarious when Dubya clones complain about Isis, "dangerous Mexican criminals" and all the awful threats out there, but just yawn when many more Americans are killed right here.
 
syskatine said:
I think it's hilarious when Dubya clones complain about Isis, "dangerous Mexican criminals" and all the awful threats out there, but just yawn when many more Americans are killed right here.
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Since you are so concerned about American gun crime victims, take a look at all the gun violence stats from the gun law heavy city of Chicago and let me know what you think is going to work.
 
MegaPoke said:
Since you are so concerned about American gun crime victims, take a look at all the gun violence stats from the gun law heavy city of Chicago and let me know what you think is going to work.
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Living in one American city with gun laws is like swimming in the non-chlorinated section of a swimming pool. There's a lot of stats out there with bigger samples where a gun can't just be bought on the other side of a municipal boundary...
 
syskatine said:
Living in one American city with gun laws is like swimming in the non-chlorinated section of a swimming pool. There's a lot of stats out there with bigger samples where a gun can't just be bought on the other side of a municipal boundary...
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So you are saying the problem in Chicago is that the criminals are able to legally buy guns just outside the city or state line? Certainly not that the laws themselves are ineffective, I'm sure.
 
mega, of course the gang bangers are buying guns legally. If we just made them illegal, they would take up golf or something else.
 
davidallen said:
Do you think the founders intended a nut bag to have more fire power than say 10-20 of the kings infantry of their day?
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Do you think the founders intended people to be able to fabricate untruths and spread hate and discourse across the country via electronic media in the name of 1A in a matter of seconds?
 
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syskatine said:
And again.... you need to answer my question: Please explain the difference between hypocrisy and intellectual honesty. Until you demonstrate basic understanding of both concepts, I decline to waste my time arguing them.
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Nobody is asking you to argue anything. So, if I answer your question, you'll share the details of your two dozen guns? Not an itemized run down, just a summary of rifles, handguns, single shot, semiautomatic, etc.

Is this actually a deal? Or will you just continue dodging the question with some other irrelevant nonsense?
 
racernhra said:
And what do you propose? A 3rd term for your messiah? Gun ban? How do we keep the madmen away from killing machines?
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His solution is to file civil lawsuits on people who legally sell a gun that ends up being used in a mass shooting.
 
Medic007 said:
Nobody is asking you to argue anything. So, if I answer your question, you'll share the details of your two dozen guns? Not an itemized run down, just a summary of rifles, handguns, single shot, semiautomatic, etc.

Is this actually a deal? Or will you just continue dodging the question with some other irrelevant nonsense?
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No, again, I don't want to waste my time. If I think you're so sociopathic that you literally can't distinguish between intellectual honesty and hypocrisy, then I'll decline to waste my time and let the inexplicable suspense of my gun ownership work on you.

The more I think about it, you're also a sooner, and that really militates against us having any type of gentleman's agreement. Why do I care whether you know the difference? If OU beats Holgerson -- really softens him up -- and you have a sensible answer, I'll summarize my guns for you.
 
syskatine said:
No, again, I don't want to waste my time. If I think you're so sociopathic that you literally can't distinguish between intellectual honesty and hypocrisy, then I'll decline to waste my time and let the inexplicable suspense of my gun ownership work on you.

The more I think about it, you're also a sooner, and that really militates against us having any type of gentleman's agreement. Why do I care whether you know the difference? If OU beats Holgerson -- really softens him up -- and you have a sensible answer, I'll summarize my guns for you.
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I guess that about sums it up. You're AFRAID to answer. I'll answer your question anyhow, using you as an example.

Intellectual dishonesty (the opposite of intellectual honesty) would be you lying about your gun ownership in an attempt to give yourself some sort of credibility with actual gun owners while debating the subject of gun ownership, aka affinity fraud.

Hypocrisy would be you owning two dozen guns, including the types you say shouldn't be owned, while telling us that nobody has any need to own a semiautomatic gun. Taking full liberty of your Second Amendment rights while chiding us pro Second Amendment folks for doing the same.

Intellectual honesty would be you not being self-contradictory, having a position that is reasonable and devoid of sloganeering and theatrics, and acknowledging that you as a fellow gun owner understand that legal gun ownership in this country is not part of what you see as a problem. I'd also throw in that you'd also acknowledge that comparing the USA, a country with more than 200 years of history of individual gun ownership, to incomparable countries is purely false premise, but that's probably not a realistic expectation given your history of clinging to false premise in attempts to substantiate your arguments.

I'll give you a golf clap on the Sooner part of your last response. Good one, chuckle chuckle.
 
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MegaPoke said:
Oh that's very different because he personally values freedom of speech.
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Ummm... well you know we have adapted legal principals to the evolution of media. The founders had no conception of child porn for instance - and to the credit of our society we provided a limited and concrete exclusion to the right of free speech.
 
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