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One thing lost in today’s fervor…

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We saw that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the conservatives, something that hasn't been a given since the Trump appointments. This gives more credence to the decision. Had it been a 5-4 decision with the leader of the court - and a member of the conservative wing - in the minority, it would have given liberals much more fuel to their fire, not that they need any.
 
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Yep.

Wasn't Roberts one of the names on Epstein's list?
Gotta give it up to the left, Epstein island was such a brilliant idea whether Epstein came up with it or the CIA, it was unreal brilliant.

Demonic the way they use the kids they should all be tortured and hung, but to get their way to have politicians, presidents, CEOs of huge corporations,justices et al come to the island, blackmail them so they can all spew out the sameNarratives is unreal brilliant.

Again don't get me wrong I'm all for hanging everyone of them in public square.
 
It was 5-4
He did side with the left.
We saw that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the conservatives, something that hasn't been a given since the Trump appointments. This gives more credence to the decision. Had it been a 5-4 decision with the leader of the court - and a member of the conservative wing - in the minority, it would have given liberals much more fuel to their fire, not that they need any.
Wonder what Current Events looks like in your classroom. Poor kids.
 
Wonder what Current Events looks like in your classroom. Poor kids.
Then both the Dallas Morning News and the New York Times got it wrong. Both - in their headlines - said 6-3.

https://epaper.dallasnews.com/app/DAMONE/editionguid/d9329c98-33ea-480e-8e0f-f1a2adb9d0ad
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By the way, the 6-3 ruling was in the Mississippi abortion case that Roberts did side with the majority. The 5-4 decision was the ruling to return the decision to legalize abortion back to the states.

Excuse me David for taking half a day to research this enough to find the exact facts. You might notice that my OP was early this morning (shortly after midnight) while I was checking out the headlines before going to bed last night. You’ll be glade to know that I did not mislead or influence any students during that roughly 12-hour span.
 
By the way, the 6-3 ruling was in the Mississippi abortion case that Roberts did side with the majority. The 5-4 decision was the ruling to return the decision to legalize abortion back to the states.

Excuse me David for taking half a day to research this enough to find the exact facts. You might notice that my OP was early this morning (shortly after midnight) while I was checking out the headlines before going to bed last night. You’ll be glade to know that I did not mislead or influence any students during that roughly 12-hour span.
Lazy. Was Roe overruled?
 
Actually, after reading the NY Times first edition, the story does erroneously say that the ruling to send Roe back to the states was 6-3.
 
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We saw that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the conservatives, something that hasn't been a given since the Trump appointments. This gives more credence to the decision. Had it been a 5-4 decision with the leader of the court - and a member of the conservative wing - in the minority, it would have given liberals much more fuel to their fire, not that they need any.
He concurred in the result of upholding the Mississippi statute, but gave his own reasoning that did not “side with the conservatives”.

Roberts was actually more jurisprudentially conservative by advocating for deciding only the controversy in front of them instead of using the case to make sweeping changes in the law like the five jurisprudentially activist justices did.
 
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We saw that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the conservatives, something that hasn't been a given since the Trump appointments. This gives more credence to the decision. Had it been a 5-4 decision with the leader of the court - and a member of the conservative wing - in the minority, it would have given liberals much more fuel to their fire, not that they need any.
The laugh’s on you CowboyJD. Whether it be 6-3 or 5-4, Roe is DEAD! 😊

And, as I said, the libs don’t need any more fuel to their fire. They are about as fired up as you can get.
 
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The laugh’s on you CowboyJD. Whether it be 6-3 or 5-4, Roe is DEAD! 😊

And, as I said, the libs don’t need any more fuel to their fire. They are about as fired up as you can get.

The laugh’s on me?

I’m not the one posting that Roe wasn’t overturned in one thread and now posting here that Roe is dead….like a complete and utter idiot.

You’re under the mistaken opinion that I am a fired up liberal. My analysis of the decision has been cool and calculated, not fired up. This decision really doesn’t affect me or mine. If one of my daughters decides to or needs to get an abortion, we have the resources to get it done despite this decision. It is what it is.
 
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In fact of the four opinions (majority, Roberts’s concurring in result, Thomas’s concurring, and the dissent) the one that is most legally correct is Robert’s.

So much for me being fired up about Roe being dead, right?

At least, unlike you, I actually understand exactly what happened and the implications of the decision. You’re over here just celebrating owning the libs. Enjoy yourself with that.
 
In fact of the four opinions (majority, Roberts’s concurring in result, Thomas’s concurring, and the dissent) the one that is most legally correct is Robert’s.

So much for me being fired up about Roe being dead, right?

At least, unlike you, I actually understand exactly what happened and the implications of the decision. You’re over here just celebrating owning the libs. Enjoy yourself with that.
Okay. I‘m man enough to admit that I misinterpreted that sending Roe back to the states is the equivalent to overturning it. I don't claim to be a law expert (cue the Animal House line “pre-law, pre-med? whats the difference?”).

Still, no need to call me an idiot. After all, we’re all OSU fans in here (okay, there are some Sooner fans on the 24/7 board).
 
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Okay. I‘m man enough to admit that I misinterpreted that sending Roe back to the states is the equivalent to overturning it. I don't claim to be a law expert (cue the Animal House line “pre-law, pre-med? whats the difference?”).

Still, no need to call me an idiot. After all, we’re all OSU fans in here (okay, there are some Sooner fans on the 24/7 board).
No need for your “the laugh’s on you JD” post either.

Right now, you’re coming off like a little snowflake that is happy to try to dish it out then whines like a little girl when they get it back.

Don’t start none, won’t be none.
 
I’m just gonna set up some coat hanger vending machines and watch the $$$ roll in. No appointment necessary, 24/7 availability, franchises available, shoot me a DM for your exclusive territory.
 
In fact of the four opinions (majority, Roberts’s concurring in result, Thomas’s concurring, and the dissent) the one that is most legally correct is Robert’s.

So much for me being fired up about Roe being dead, right?

At least, unlike you, I actually understand exactly what happened and the implications of the decision. You’re over here just celebrating owning the libs. Enjoy yourself with that.
I guess I don’t get the difference. If he agreed to the case brought forth that Mississippi had the right to set parameters how does that not by itself reverse RvW.
 
I guess I don’t get the difference. If he agreed to the case brought forth that Mississippi had the right to set parameters how does that not by itself reverse RvW.
There have been numerous refinements to the date cut-off, which was at the heart of the Mississippi decision. The overruling in its entirety of Roe is a very different and more activist move by the conservatives.
 
I guess I don’t get the difference. If he agreed to the case brought forth that Mississippi had the right to set parameters how does that not by itself reverse RvW.
Well that’s not what he said in his concurring opinion either. He didn’t opine that Mississippi had the righ to set the parameter wherever they wanted. He restricted his opinion to the facts of the case and the parameter that had actually been set..

You have the subsequent Casey v. Planned Parenthood case to consider. The specific trimester scheme set by Roe had already been altered for constitutional analysis purposes to an “unduly burden” the right established by Roe standard. He said 15 weeks deadline didn’t unduly burden the right. The other five jumped right over the Casey analysis. The other five went further and said there is no right whatsoever.

His was a judicially conservative, incremental position. The other five took a judicially activist, sweeping position.
 
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Well that’s not what he said in his concurring opinion either.
I understand that’s what he said, but to me that was contradictory to how he ruled. If anther state brings the same law as Mississippi that would then be lawful and you end up at the same place. States setting their own laws. I don’t pretend to know the nuances of the law I’m just looking at it on its face.
 
I understand that’s what he said, but to me that was contradictory to how he ruled. If anther state brings the same law as Mississippi that would then be lawful and you end up at the same place. States setting their own laws. I don’t pretend to know the nuances of the law I’m just looking at it on its face.
It’s not contradictory to how he ruled. He concurred in the result (upholding the law) because it didn’t violate Roe as refined and further set forth in Casey. His opinion fully left open the possibility that a state setting the deadline at (picking a random number for explanation purposes) say three weeks post conception would unduly burden the right and be unconstitutional.

Let me try it this way….his opinion was that Mississippi’s law didn’t violate the Constitutional right to abortion as set forth in RvW as further refined by Casey, but he held on to the reins of deciding whether or not a more burdensome law from a state might.

The majority opinion completely let go of the reins, climbed off the horse, and told the horse it was free to gallop off wherever it wanted.
 
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I understand that’s what he said, but to me that was contradictory to how he ruled. If anther state brings the same law as Mississippi that would then be lawful and you end up at the same place. States setting their own laws. I don’t pretend to know the nuances of the law I’m just looking at it on its face.
Not sure if this helps. The justices vote to either affirm or reverse the lower court. The southern district of Mississippi struck down the statute. The 5th circuit court of appeals (which covers Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas) affirmed SD Mississippi, I assume citing Roe. SCOTUS voted 6-3 to reverse the decision of the 5th circuit. Once that happens, the court delivers an opinion. Justices can deliver concurring opinions and dissenting opinions. As I understand, Roberts did not join in the opinion overruling Roe. One of the things I find of interest, and this may not be the rule anymore, but as Chief Justice and having voted with the majority, Roberts has the authority to designate which justice delivers the opinion of the court. He could have designated himself. I only know this because one of my professors was a clerk at SCOTUS. I have no idea what sort of discussions go on behind the scenes.
 
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It’s not contradictory to how he ruled. He concurred in the result (upholding the law) because it didn’t violate Roe as refined and further set forth in Casey. His opinion fully left open the possibility that a state setting the deadline at (picking a random number for explanation purposes) say three weeks post conception would unduly burden the right and be unconstitutional.

Let me try it this way….his opinion was that Mississippi’s law didn’t violate the Constitutional right to abortion as set forth in RvW as further refined by Casey, but he held on to the reins of deciding whether or not a more burdensome law from a state might.

The majority opinion completely let go of the reins, climbed off the horse, and told the horse it was free to gallop off wherever it wanted.
Ok thanks for the explanation.
 
I would ask those who know, why did SCOTUS choose to make these rulings in June instead of July or in this term ? Seems to me that the act of making it before the fall unnecessarily adds more politics into play that may or may not harm the “red tsunami” with (so called) moderates
 
I would ask those who know, why did SCOTUS choose to make these rulings in June instead of July or in this term ? Seems to me that the act of making it before the fall unnecessarily adds more politics into play that may or may not harm the “red tsunami” with (so called) moderates
I don’t have a good answer for you. My guess is that this is something Roberts controls as Chief Justice. He seems like the type that would pull this kind of shit to “make ‘em pay” for overturning a key precedent.
 
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I would ask those who know, why did SCOTUS choose to make these rulings in June instead of July or in this term ? Seems to me that the act of making it before the fall unnecessarily adds more politics into play that may or may not harm the “red tsunami” with (so called) moderates
Nothing unusual about announcing rulings at the end of the Court term which starts by statute in each October.

This is the time of the year their opinions are usually released.

 
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