On Antisemitism, Trump and Israel
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You did too.
“Npr constantly talks about race. I mean all the freaking time.”
No they don’t. I know that to be true because I listen to NPR.
Unless by “constantly” and “all the freaking time” you meant “not constantly or all the time, but more than You would prefer”.....but that would be an exaggeration, no?
Maybe part of the problem causing the divide in the electorate is claims that anyone that disagrees with you on these big issues is a nut.
Maybe.
No, media saturation or the lack thereof is a single data point to the bigger question being discussed of responsibility for the divide in America.
I really don't understand how some whack jobs with zero power is more scary than the former President and party with actual anti Jewish policy.
That makes zero sense.
That makes zero sense.
One of them is a Ghost of XMas past issue. The other is a Ghost of XMas Present and Ghost of XMas Future issue.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/dem...-of-progressives-criticizing-israel-1.6266809
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/democrats-views-on-israel-shifting/index.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-democrats-shameful-collective-silence-on-gaza
https://electronicintifada.net/content/are-democrats-deserting-israel/25216
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/divide-over-israel-widens-in-democratic-party
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...have-soured-on-israel/?utm_term=.56c3ae6daf31
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/us/politics/democrats-israel-palestinians.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/democrats-views-on-israel-shifting/index.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-democrats-shameful-collective-silence-on-gaza
https://electronicintifada.net/content/are-democrats-deserting-israel/25216
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/divide-over-israel-widens-in-democratic-party
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...have-soured-on-israel/?utm_term=.56c3ae6daf31
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/us/politics/democrats-israel-palestinians.html
"A man shouting “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump” during a performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” in Baltimore smelled of alcohol and told police he was motivated by his hatred of President Donald Trump."
Liberal kooks are undecipherable.
I'm not the one said it, Turd Burglar. That's what he told the cops.
Doesn't fit TDS. Use "Lol" to discredit. The go to when you can't make a cogent counter point.
You think you are clever. When you can't even debate without using Pee Wee Herman logic.LOL, LOL, LOL!
So is this Trump or Obama's fault? We need to know.
https://www.conservativereview.com/...qVXqmUdSh3oXIY7BwidA46rdcVu3X1IpbaPempWRV6fIc
I am behind on reading this thread, but this might go here.
I am behind on reading this thread, but this might go here.
been is the new board NZ for the libtards
and he doesn’t even know it
deplorables are here for your religious freedom and support the homeland
otard cank and the ilhan omars are the wolf
There is a lot to unpack in that article. I could look at it from many points of view, as the situation is very complex and there are quite a few topics discussed.
At first blush, I don't find the general point of the article to be at all surprising.
As NZ has pointed out, and as I have discussed, on multiple occasions, Israel is a very nationalistic country, but they really have no choice. They have built a wall along their border. They have an extremely secure border. They are very vigilant when it comes to the threat of terrorism within their country. Everywhere you go, you see armed soldiers. Soldiers take their automatic weapons with them when they are grocery shopping, or when they go to see a movie.
With those things noted, I don't find it to be at all unexpected that Republicans are on board with the Israeli government. They (you) see Israel as the model for what they (you) want for the U.S. Build a wall! Keep the brown skinned people out! Everyone should be armed to make the country safer!
Conversely, many liberals empathize with the Palestinians, who suffer in poverty, and have no country to call their own. Israel won't let them in, and no neighboring countries want them either. The fact is that other countries are willing to take them, and Israel has offered them portions of Israel, but the militant Palestinians won't accept any of these options, unless their new land includes a portion of (many say "all") of Jerusalem. The Palestinians are good at playing the victim, but many of them are tired of this struggle, and would be happy to work with Israel in a peaceful manner. But, that is a different discussion.
With all that said, there are two different issues being touched upon ITT. One is discussion about the U.S. government's support for strategy that makes the Israel government more secure (an area where Trump is much stronger (the antithesis) of Obama. The other is about the current state of Antisemitism in the U.S. They are two very different topics/concerns, and can not be conflated into just one big issues.
I can recognize that Trump is good for Israel, while being very concerned about rising Antisemitism within U.S. borders. It seems like there is a weekly story involving antisemitic hate crime, or arrest of someone pushing antisemitic narrative. That is why I have been sharing such stories ITT.
You guys are fond of distancing your side from the individuals who are being revealed/revealing themselves as obsessed with antisemitism. "No one wants to be affiliated with those loonies". "that guy had mental illness, and can't be lumped into any political affiliation". "that investigation started 3 years ago when Obama was POTUS". "He said he hated Trump".
However, the fact is antisemitism is on the rise. White Supremacist groups, and the Alt-right are more active and more out in the open than they were 5 years ago. For me, and for many other Jews that I know, this is a scary thing. Personally, I believe that Trump is the main reason for this change. I have explained my reasons a few times on this board. I know that many of you disagree, but there is no point in arguing. You are not going to change my mind.
Do I think there is going to be another Holocaust or a race war in this country? No, I do not. But, I worry that good people will become desensitized to antisemitism/hate crimes directed at other minorities, just as our population is becoming desensitized to school/mass shootings.
“Keep the brown skinned people out”
This is where you lose any amount of intellectual high ground.
90% of the build the wall crowd would flip on Canada if they had tens of thousands of murders on the border and corruption at all levels of government. I can’t understand why you don’t know that. It’s pathetic that you’ve been trained to think that skin color is what separates Mexico and Canada and not the actions of the people.
How are we going to get desensitized to something that has existed for thousands of years? When was the golden age of non anti Semitism?
Evidence...like...statistics? They’re not in your favor, but hey...when have they EVER been in your favor?
Your typical type of non-response. I'm done with interacting with you on this board.
I’m sorry I’m going to need you to not use the term immigrants in this discussion. I’m only discussing illegals. I know you’ve been trained not to seperate the two, but I don’t fall for that.
How much meth comes over the Canadian border versus Mexico? How many murders in Mexico versus Canada?
You won’t answer either of those but hopefully medic will.
It’s not skin color. It’s culture.
