OKC Gun Bill passes
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Remember the panic when open carry passed? I am a gun toter who notices these things and literally I have seen 2 individuals open carry in public since the bill was made. Constitutional carry needed to pass. It will be irrelevant in overall scheme of things.
You'll be able to carry concealed or open in Oklahoma without a permit. The people that couldn't get permits because of background can't carry (felony, domestic violence, mental health, etc). I'm not a fan. The permit system allowed law enforcement to know that you have been prescreened for that stuff. Now, they won't know if you can carry by law or not until they check you out.
Federal House bill is a sham that won't get through the Senate or Trump. It was nothing but time wasting politics. There's zero way to enforce background checks on the private transfer of guns.
There will be lots more pew pew pew. Probably need to bring in rooster cogburn and the rest of judge Parker’s Marshalls to get control of this wild territory.
Our homicide rate is probably going to make Democrat infested cities seem like daycares.
that was my concern...a lot of the wrong people with a weapon. Hell, I guess they can get them anyway but maybe now it's easier. And, it may not change a thing. Guess we're going to find out.
It will be the wild west. The streets will be red with blood.
I learned that from the libs discussing it on Facebook
The nefarious people already get and carry guns. The permit law didn't change that and this new law will have no effect on it either. The downside is for legal carriers because you won't have a card to show you're legit now.
Well in that case, Oklahoma just got redder. It sucks to have to wait until November to start the consequence free killing spree.
So...wrong people weren’t carrying a weapon before?
All this does is make it less expensive for rule followers.
While absolutely true, it also takes away the way law enforcement had to know up front if you are probably legal or not.
I'm gonna have to agree with okc police chief Bill Citty...dok article...I wouldn't want to be a cop as now there will be even more idiots with a gun. It's a numbers deal and now the numbers just went up.
OKC police chief denounces constitutional carry law
The leader of the state’s largest police department on Friday denounced the new "constitutional carry” law as a step in the wrong direction.
“Saying that it makes communities safer, that’s (a) pretty tired and old statement, as far as I’m concerned," said Oklahoma City Police Chief Bill Citty. "That’s not the case. We should be going the other direction and be more responsible about who we have carrying guns in this country.”
The new law, which goes into effect Nov. 1, allows most people in the state 21 and older to carry a concealed or unconcealed firearm without training or a permit. Military service members and veterans 18 years and older also will be allowed to carry firearms without a license.
Under current law, only limited training is required for people wishing to carry firearms in public, but Citty said it's better than nothing.
“At least they’re responsible enough to go get a permit and go through the motions, pay for it. Now, you don’t have to do any of that,” he said. “Any individual can carry one at any point in time, regardless of how responsible they are.”
Citty said he expects an increase in deaths after the law takes effect, adding that easier access to firearms leads to more homicides, accidental shootings and suicides.
“It’s bound to increase at a time when our aggravated assaults are already higher than they have been in a while,” he said.
During Wednesday’s signing ceremony, Gov. Kevin Stitt said he believed “the best defense for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”
Citty said people taking action against “bad guys” have been shot by responding officers before since it’s difficult to distinguish who the supposed “good guys" are.
“Citizens don’t wear uniforms,” he said.
“Most people don’t know how to use a firearm, they don’t know when they can take a life, they don’t know when it’s justifiable to use one.
“We’ve put people in jail, and we’ve prosecuted them, that are good people and been good people all their lives that carried a gun and got upset and angry about something and shot somebody and killed them.”
Citty said he believes in the right to bear arms and that citizens have the right to protect themselves and their property, but he also believes in the right to regulate firearms.
OKC police chief denounces constitutional carry law
The leader of the state’s largest police department on Friday denounced the new "constitutional carry” law as a step in the wrong direction.
“Saying that it makes communities safer, that’s (a) pretty tired and old statement, as far as I’m concerned," said Oklahoma City Police Chief Bill Citty. "That’s not the case. We should be going the other direction and be more responsible about who we have carrying guns in this country.”
The new law, which goes into effect Nov. 1, allows most people in the state 21 and older to carry a concealed or unconcealed firearm without training or a permit. Military service members and veterans 18 years and older also will be allowed to carry firearms without a license.
Under current law, only limited training is required for people wishing to carry firearms in public, but Citty said it's better than nothing.
“At least they’re responsible enough to go get a permit and go through the motions, pay for it. Now, you don’t have to do any of that,” he said. “Any individual can carry one at any point in time, regardless of how responsible they are.”
Citty said he expects an increase in deaths after the law takes effect, adding that easier access to firearms leads to more homicides, accidental shootings and suicides.
“It’s bound to increase at a time when our aggravated assaults are already higher than they have been in a while,” he said.
During Wednesday’s signing ceremony, Gov. Kevin Stitt said he believed “the best defense for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”
Citty said people taking action against “bad guys” have been shot by responding officers before since it’s difficult to distinguish who the supposed “good guys" are.
“Citizens don’t wear uniforms,” he said.
“Most people don’t know how to use a firearm, they don’t know when they can take a life, they don’t know when it’s justifiable to use one.
“We’ve put people in jail, and we’ve prosecuted them, that are good people and been good people all their lives that carried a gun and got upset and angry about something and shot somebody and killed them.”
Citty said he believes in the right to bear arms and that citizens have the right to protect themselves and their property, but he also believes in the right to regulate firearms.
I’m open minded. Fifteen states have this, so is that what happened there?
don't know...I'm all for owning a gun if that's your desire, but there are a lot of people who shouldn't have one and I don't know the best way to keep them from having one without intruding a bit on the rights of the ones' who aren't a threat. Someone said this is the same law as Texas and don't know if it's been a problem there or not. And I don't know if the stats would tell the true story. Some of the points Citty brings up are worth noting and if I was a cop the odds of me getting shot will go up Nov 1. And the odds of them shooting someone go up as well. Just using the numbers alone would make you think things will get more testy. And, whatever law they come up with will be easily manipulated. If you want a gun you're gonna get one. It's too easy. So, there is no absolute answer. The barn doors' been left open....
Seems like the Police Chief would be pushing for "stop and frisk" authority rather than being upset that law abiding citizens have a Constitutional right to protect themselves anytime anywhere.
One night watching LivePD is enough to show that a large number of law ignoring people are out carrying guns already.
One night watching LivePD is enough to show that a large number of law ignoring people are out carrying guns already.
I'm going to use the same argument that liberals do against voter ID here. I shouldn't have to pay for the privilege of exercising my constitutional rights. I mean, let's apply that same logic to our other rights.
At least he was responsible enough to pay for a permit to speak freely.
At least he was responsible enough to pay for an ID card to vote.
At least he was responsible enough to pay for a license to not get unreasonably searched.
That show will make you a proponent of Nazi era forced sterilization.
It just reinforces what I saw on my 3-month term on the Dallas County Grand Jury seven years ago.
you mean Stitts...yes he did. It's a jump ball for me...don't know the solution.
looks like some of the laws didn't change with this...I thought the background check went away but it didn't. No convicted felons, undocumented immigrants, or anyone under 21 can purchase as was the case prior to passing. In fact, 7 states have passed tougher laws for background checks. So, it's probably not as big of a change once facts are known. There are a couple more "laws" that remained so it's not like they've just opened the barn door all the way. Probably not much of a change.
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