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Ocasio-Cortez was the best thing to happen to Republicans

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Not even a day in and The new O-C has made it clear that she will not fall in line with Pelosi. O-C is going to go radical and there will be so much in-fighting with the Dem's that they will all end up looking the fools. The moderate Dem from New York, Rice, is about to get ousted by voters if she does not back O-C's ridiculous "Green New Deal." O-C is full on nuts.

The Democratic party has a cattle call of people wanting the presidential nomination. There will be so much back stabbing and mud flinging that all the republicans have to do is duck and cover and they will have a super-majority in 2022.
 
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BvillePoker said:
Not even a day in and The new O-C has made it clear that she will not fall in line with Pelosi. O-C is going to go radical and there will be so much in-fighting with the Dem's that they will all end up looking the fools. The moderate Dem from New York, Rice, is about to get ousted by voters if she does not back O-C's ridiculous "Green New Deal." O-C is full on nuts.

The Democratic party has a cattle call of people wanting the presidential nomination. There will be so much back stabbing and mud flinging that all the republicans have to do is duck and cover and they will have a super-majority in 2022.
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Its interesting. I read an article yesterday (538 I believe) talking about Warren entering the presidential race and it showed that she basically shares the same support base that Bernie has. So in a primary, they would steal each other's shares (a lot like Bush, Rubio, and Kasich did in the Republican Primary) which would let someone with a significantly more radical position to actually win the nomination (much like Trump did for the Repubs). The biggest difference between 2020 and 2016 is that noone will laugh at the thought of an O.C. (or similar) winning the Dem nomination, like they all did when Trump was mentioned.
 
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So in a primary, they would steal each other's shares (a lot like Bush, Rubio, and Kasich did in the Republican Primary) which would let someone with a significantly more radical position to actually win the nomination (much like Trump did for the Repubs).
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Some one more radical would split votes with Bernie and Warren. Bernie and Warren splitting votes clears the way for a more moderate establishment Dem (if they can unite behind one). Kind of reverse of the GOP 2016 primary.
 
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Some one more radical would split votes with Bernie and Warren. Bernie and Warren splitting votes clears the way for a more moderate establishment Dem (if they can unite behind one). Kind of reverse of the GOP 2016 primary.
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They've gonna get rid of Bernie before it ever starts this time.

He's already fighting accusations from his last campaign.
 
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Alpha Poke said:
They've gonna get rid of Bernie before it ever starts this time.

He's already fighting accusations from his last campaign.
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No doubt. And I am sure it is just a coincidence that Warren was the first to officially declare.
 
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Medic007 said:
This type of grandiose socialist delusion has worked so well in Venezuela...
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Next debate if/when it happens.

...I would like to yield my time to O-C and allow here to please explain how her system will work when it has never worked in the history of the world. Please allow her as much time as needed...
 
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07pilt said:
Some one more radical would split votes with Bernie and Warren. Bernie and Warren splitting votes clears the way for a more moderate establishment Dem (if they can unite behind one). Kind of reverse of the GOP 2016 primary.
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I understand that premise but disagree. In a field of a dozen nominees which the Dem Party will have (like the R's did in '16), you'll have a handful of moderates (Biden, Gore, Clinton), a few lefties (Bernie, Beto, Warren) and a radical (someone like O.C.). That lone radical will consolidate 20% of the vote and get off to a real headstart in the primaries while the other candidates cannibalize each other. Then the left wing media will write some favorable articles highlighting the radical's positives (you are already seeing these types of articles being written for O.C. and she hasn't even taken office yet), and viola, the Democratic nominee becomes the most radical option available. And because of the screw job the DNC did against Bernie, they won't even be able to stop it from happening by controlling the super-delegates (much like the never-Trump RNC had no real power to stop Trump).

There's an old saying: Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. Well, I watched the 2016 election and didn't believe for a minute that Trump could be the nominee. Too many better qualified candidates in the field. Yet here we are.
 
aix_xpert said:
I understand that premise but disagree. In a field of a dozen nominees which the Dem Party will have (like the R's did in '16), you'll have a handful of moderates (Biden, Gore, Clinton), a few lefties (Bernie, Beto, Warren) and a radical (someone like O.C.). That lone radical will consolidate 20% of the vote and get off to a real headstart in the primaries while the other candidates cannibalize each other. Then the left wing media will write some favorable articles highlighting the radical's positives (you are already seeing these types of articles being written for O.C. and she hasn't even taken office yet), and viola, the Democratic nominee becomes the most radical option available. And because of the screw job the DNC did against Bernie, they won't even be able to stop it from happening by controlling the super-delegates (much like the never-Trump RNC had no real power to stop Trump).

There's an old saying: Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. Well, I watched the 2016 election and didn't believe for a minute that Trump could be the nominee. Too many better qualified candidates in the field. Yet here we are.
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Just not enough ideological daylight between Bernie and even the most radical possible candidate. As someone who voted for the most radical dem, I can tell you nothing ever works out in my favor Democratic party politics
 
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Just not enough ideological daylight between Bernie and even the most radical possible candidate. As someone who voted for the most radical dem, I can tell you nothing ever works out in my favor Democratic party politics
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I understand. I look at Bernie and Warren, and they to me are pragmatic socialists. They at least have some semblance of understanding of the role of capitalism in our system and the need to maintain it. In addition, (although Warren has drifted more this direction), these haven't been on the forefront of the "aggrieved" status for all push the Dems have gone on lately. Someone like O.C. is a full-bore Socialist: One government to solve all problems, and if you disagree its obviously because she belongs to some minority class and that my '-ism' is the real hang-up. That's a new class of Dem that frankly is radically left imo from even a Bernie or Warren.
 
aix_xpert said:
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I understand. I look at Bernie and Warren, and they to me are pragmatic socialists. They at least have some semblance of understanding of the role of capitalism in our system and the need to maintain it. In addition, (although Warren has drifted more this direction), these haven't been on the forefront of the "aggrieved" status for all push the Dems have gone on lately. Someone like O.C. is a full-bore Socialist: One government to solve all problems, and if you disagree its obviously because she belongs to some minority class and that my '-ism' is the real hang-up. That's a new class of Dem that frankly is radically left imo from even a Bernie or Warren.
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Bernie is an avowed socialist and if you follow the internecine Dem squabbles the isms thing is wielded more by establishment Dems as a cudgel against the left wing of the party. The whole Bernie bro narrative is that all of Bernie's supports are white male bros. The ism stuff is all just rhetoric and posturing and a substitute for real agenda to help people.
 
07pilt said:
Bernie is an avowed socialist and if you follow the internecine Dem squabbles the isms thing is wielded more by establishment Dems as a cudgel against the left wing of the party. The whole Bernie bro narrative is that all of Bernie's supports are white male bros. The ism stuff is all just rhetoric and posturing and a substitute for real agenda to help people.
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Do I understand you correctly that it is Dem establishment wielding the progressive wedges against its left flank?
 
CBradSmith said:
Do I understand you correctly that it is Dem establishment wielding the progressive wedges against its left flank?
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I don't think progressive is the right nomenclature. Traditionally progressivism is something akin to Elizabeth Warren style economic policies. The reason you associate what we are talking about (identity politics) with "progressives" is because it became the all the rage right around the time "liberal" became an epithet and people who previously had called themselves liberal started insisting they weren't liberal but "progressive."

But yes Dem establishment has been wielding ID pol against the left flank since at least early 2016.
 
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07pilt said:
I don't think progressive is the right nomenclature. Traditionally progressivism is something akin to Elizabeth Warren style economic policies. The reason you associate what we are talking about (identity politics) with "progressives" is because it became the all the rage right around the time "liberal" became an epithet and people who previously had called themselves liberal started insisting they weren't liberal but "progressive."

But yes Dem establishment has been wielding ID pol against the left flank since at least early 2016.
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Sorry, but listening to Kamala Harris on CNN doesn't align to this perception. She is the current queen of using -isms to describe her opposition, and its only focused on those of us who think that people should take a little more responsibility for their own outcomes. That said, I don't pretend to know the difference between Liberal and Progressive wings of the Dem party, nor could tell you which of the two sides Kamala belongs to. But she certainly isn't wielding ID politics against the left side of the aisle.
 
Unfortunately with the state of civics that is taught...or not..... in this country her plan or something like it come might actually come true at some poin pin the not too far away future....
 
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Unfortunately with the state of civics that is taught...or not..... in this country her plan or something like it come might actually come true at some poin pin the not too far away future....
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Do you think there are some good ideas within her plan?
 
aix_xpert said:
Sorry, but listening to Kamala Harris on CNN doesn't align to this perception. She is the current queen of using -isms to describe her opposition, and its only focused on those of us who think that people should take a little more responsibility for their own outcomes. That said, I don't pretend to know the difference between Liberal and Progressive wings of the Dem party, nor could tell you which of the two sides Kamala belongs to. But she certainly isn't wielding ID politics against the left side of the aisle.
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Wait for it
 
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Wait for it
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You think the Dems are going to select their candidate based on 'electability'? That's what you are saying here. Eventually the moderate wing will win with logic and reason and recognition that ID Politics is not a winning national play, and thus Biden will ride to the rescue and win the nomination? I could almost believe this if I didn't know that the Dems changed their super-delegate policy basically eliminating that bailout option for the DNC (all based on the unnecessary screwjob they gave Bernie).
 
aix_xpert said:
You think the Dems are going to select their candidate based on 'electability'? That's what you are saying here. Eventually the moderate wing will win with logic and reason and recognition that ID Politics is not a winning national play, and thus Biden will ride to the rescue and win the nomination? I could almost believe this if I didn't know that the Dems changed their super-delegate policy basically eliminating that bailout option for the DNC (all based on the unnecessary screwjob they gave Bernie).
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Screw job? Hillary won the primary election.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Screw job? Hillary won the primary election.
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Hence the word unnecessary. Hillary would have won the primary no matter what, yet the DNC still worked to hinder the candidacy of Bernie. Which led to DNC rule changes post-election. Just stating facts. I know you think you have to defend the left on every occasion (and there's a number of righties here who do the same thing), but try not to read every post as an attack. There's not one here.
 
aix_xpert said:
You think the Dems are going to select their candidate based on 'electability'? That's what you are saying here. Eventually the moderate wing will win with logic and reason and recognition that ID Politics is not a winning national play, and thus Biden will ride to the rescue and win the nomination? I could almost believe this if I didn't know that the Dems changed their super-delegate policy basically eliminating that bailout option for the DNC (all based on the unnecessary screwjob they gave Bernie).
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Dems will ignore electability (See HRC 2016). The moderates don't have a vision for improving the lives of American's like Bernie and Warren do, so they will substitute ID politics. I think Biden is too toxic even for the Dems though. Harris or Booker are the most likely in my mind. If Bernie or Warren make a race of it expect to start hearing sexism/racism claims against Bernie (from Dem operatives like Neera Tanden or David Brock) and the Warren Native American thing will be used against her because it was racist cultural appropriation. Super delegate are still in play if it is a crowded field and no one gets 50%.
 
07pilt said:
Dems will ignore electability (See HRC 2016). The moderates don't have a vision for improving the lives of American's like Bernie and Warren do, so they will substitute ID politics. I think Biden is too toxic even for the Dems though. Harris or Booker are the most likely in my mind. If Bernie or Warren make a race of it expect to start hearing sexism/racism claims against Bernie (from Dem operatives like Neera Tanden or David Brock) and the Warren Native American thing will be used against her because it was racist cultural appropriation. Super delegate are still in play if it is a crowded field and no one gets 50%.
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I see. Thank you for the reasoned response.
 
I think the Dems are going to put up old-what's-his-face that ran against Cruz in Texas trying to capture the Latino vote.
 
We'll see, but I think Beto goes to the same place that last Texas Democrat lady (I don't even recall her name now) who was going to be the new face of the Dems but was promptly forgotten when she got blown out.
 
aix_xpert said:
We'll see, but I think Beto goes to the same place that last Texas Democrat lady (I don't even recall her name now) who was going to be the new face of the Dems but was promptly forgotten when she got blown out.
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Beto didn't get blown out though and a lot of down ballot dems got elected on his coat tails.
 
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Lotta hair splitting over ideology on here but there's some real basic variables that aren't real reliant on that stuff. Ohio, CA, TX, FL delegates are huge. Who gets most of the black vote (e.g. the south, MI, IL) and who resonates in the NE (Mass. Senator?) and can anybody stomach another New Yorker on the ticket?
 
I suspect that if the Republicans had realized that the fake Mexican had 85 million dollars to spend on the campaign they would have done things differently in Texas.

I think they took things for granted if they had not done so and tested it like a real race from the beginning Cruz would have won by larger margins.
 
xplor58 said:
I suspect that if the Republicans had realized that the fake Mexican had 85 million dollars to spend on the campaign they would have done things differently in Texas.

I think they took things for granted if they had not done so and tested it like a real race from the beginning Cruz would have won by larger margins.
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Are Republicans unable to read the fundraising filings?
 
My point being they were caught flat footed with how much money was raised and spent. Really stupid since the Dems were very straight forward with the fact that they were going to do whatever it too to defeat Cruz.
 
xplor58 said:
There are no good ideas coming from her empty head. She is one of the most clueless people I have heard speak on any subject.

IMO she is the poster child for the term "useful idiot".
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I’m not sure I’ve read a single good idea from her (handlers).
 
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