Obama on illegal immigration
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Again, yes. Just look at your own reactions to wanting to stop migrant caravans and end birthright citizenship for NON-resident aliens. What conclusion could anyone draw except that you are at least open to open borders and a great many people specifically are saying they want that. It's not a small number of people who want open borders.
Open borders are dumb. Completely illogical.
Don't get me started on birthright citizenship. If Congress wants to try to rewrite the Constitution, that is one thing, but otherwise it should stay as it has been for decades.
Except that maybe they do. Why did Obama have the citizenship question removed from the census and why are Republicans putting it back in? You do know what important things are based on the census, right?
Not convinced. Too many potential pitfalls with fighting for open borders. One terrorist walks in without having to avoid any security, and causes mass destruction, and the Dem party is done for. There are other fairly obvious pitfalls as well.
I thought that the GOP backed off on keeping the citizenship question in.
I think there is a legitimate argument for not including it, especially with the increase in ICE deportations under Trump. No way you are going to get accurate census numbers with that question on there, now.
I'm not talking about literal open borders. I'm talking about what has become the status quo.
Nope. It's back in for 2020.
Do you think illegals should count toward House apportionment?
If people from the caravan throw rocks at our troops Trump considers them to be like firearms.
Throw a rock, get shot.
Throw a rock, get shot.
My counter would be that the SQ is unacceptable. There are probably ways to improve the problems without a wall. I'm not convinced the wall is tenable for a few reasons. Also not convinced it will stop the migration. But, I concede that it will slow it. It seems like the SQ is what it has been for quite a while, but I would have to do some research to confirm.
OK
Probably not. But, as I said, including the question may do more harm than good (when it comes to getting accurate numbers).
You probably don't think that illegals shouldn't count towards house apportionment? What a BS answer.
I'm anti-wall. Some sections probably benefit from a wall, but some long continuous wall is a disastrous idea for migratory animals.
Stopping catch and release would help. Take the border wall money and build more facilities for temporary detention.
That guy doesn't know the ROE is given to the Joint Chiefs by the President and the Sec of Defense?
Toon, if you were standing with me and you were injured by a rock(s) I would defend you and I both.
In a civilian setting, you can't justify shooting someone throwing rocks. Ever.
Considering the MSM has dishonestly used children to push their agenda on this issue in the recent past, I have a hard time taking this report at face value.
I would be just as much worried about a couple of guys coming toward me throwing rocks than the same couple of guys with knives.
I really dont think anyone will be shot. I do think there is a good possibility that there will be rocks thrown and that could lead to Americans being hurt. I think they will do it though hiding behind the women and children they put in the front. Just my guess,though.
I have never been hit by a rock, but I have a golf ball twice. One time was in the knee and it really screwed it up. I believe that has to be close to the damage a rock can do, and if it was in the head?
Just look at what a baseball does to player heads/faces and they are way better at dodging them than you and I will ever be. You think normal people can dodge a rock? Professional baseball players mostly come from "Southern" American now how many of them throw like sissy's?
I said guns because that is what most here are saying is the only reason you could shoot someone. I just think knives, rocks and guns are much the same.
I guess it’s just a range/accuracy vs. lethality ratio to me. The further away they are with the rocks, the less real, serious danger rocks pose....particularly with regards
Average dudes (even from “Southern” America...I don’t think you can impart the same level of throwing skill and power to migrants as you can professional baseball players) throwing rocks at me (as opposed to a golf ball hit with much more force from a swing of a golf club) are gonna be in a range of where they can do real, serious damage that is similar to the closing range of their knives (old 21 foot rule)....and the knifes are much more lethal.
With regards to the migrants, you also have to figure in the likelihood that border patrol and military are gonna have riot gear and defensive equipment that you and I aren’t gonna have walking down the street.
Are you considering that only one person is throwing them? Also, if a rock hits you from 50 feet vs 200 feet does it cause less damage really? Is that not like saying a bullet will do less harm at 1000 yards than 2000? I call BS.. A hard object is a hard object. That is why dropping pennies from a tall building will hurt people or shooting a bullet straight up into the air will not kill people if it hits them before hitting the ground.
I am referring to skill the same as people who wrestle more than others are better than those who dont. (you know this) I wrestled for 12 years, and I am way better than most, but you would destroy me now. You think Chinese people are good at throwing stuff?
What distance will you agree to stand away from me and let me throw rocks at you? I highly doubt that anyone would shoot anyone throwing a rock at them from further than it could hit them. If I was 200 feet would you be okay with that and not feel in any danger? You think Sysk would stand there in your place for that? Might be a fun way to test the fear and damage a rock can do.. Sounds like fun to me..
Edit; How many of our troops have access to shields? Not sure how they would carry them and be able to use a gun.. I guess they drop one or the other depending on what is going on?
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I hadn’t even convinced myself that in your original scenario you were definitely wrong and I was definitely right. I was genuinely interested in THAT scenario without regards to transferring it to the migrant caravan.
It’s something that reasonable minds could probably disagree on and for which there is no definitive correct answer. That’s probably even more true if you are talking about a large mass of people with ample rocks attacking a border or fixed location vs. a large mass of people with only knives attacking that same fixed location.
I still don’t think that guns and actual live fire is the proper response to rocks being thrown. There are just too many appropriate crowd control/riot responses from smoke and tear gas to less than lethal rounds if all they have are rocks and our forces are properly equipped for crowd control/riots.
What’s more, I don’t think Trump really believes it is if he really stops to think about it. It struck me as more of him shooting his mouth off with tough guy talk. He is certainly prone to doing that, IMO.
I would agree...trump knows without a shadow of a doubt they won't fire on the migrants for throwing rocks...it's show time though.
