NWCA Duals
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I think they host all sites. The whole thing is ridiculous. Did you see an announcement about it? I'm curious, if mizzou beats nc state, I think we go to PSU, then if we beat them and iowa wins then are the final rankings 1. OSU 2. PSU and 3. Iowa?
Word is, the only way Cael would participate is if they get to host & it's the single (bowl type) meet event.
From what I heard, we are not going. Supposedly NWCA is getting 50% of the gates and the traveling teams to attend are only getting a small travel fee. Which really leads to the Big10 teams cashing out nicely.
Don't think it makes sense anyway. Why would John want to give Nolf another chance wrestle Joe right before NCAA, also Nickal v Crutch & take chance of injuries. PSU will be the main competition, why go out to there place & give them info?
If they wrestle PSU and Smith beats Nolf, he is probably the 1 seed, which puts Nolf and Martinez on same side of bracket at NCAA. He would have to win, but that would be a reason - same with Crutchmer as it could move his seed up.
I don't think you avoid a match out of fear for injuries as they can happen in any match anywhere.
The financial reasons/ travel expenses may be a reason not to go, but I think the competition of PSU or a rematch with Iowa cold be good for confidence in March.
Ian Miller is still undefeated and might slip into the 1 spot, especially if Nolf gets defeated. The financial/travel aspect plus the stupidity of the entire concept are really good reasons.
Doubt it, if Smith were to beat Nolf & then Martinez beats Nolf at Big 10 (I think this will happen, he wasn't himself in dual & will have different strategy) then Martinez & Miller probably 1 & 2. Could put Joe in 3 & Nolf 4 (don't think Nolf wold want that spot, but could be better for OSU).
Yeah, I can see the Iowa rematch or PSU both ways good & possibly bad.
Although I don't follow Martinez or Nolf closely, my impression is the style Nolf wrestles (similar to Taylor) will be hard for Martinez and I think Nolf wins B1G and may not lose to Martinez again- just my opinion.
I don't think so, I think Joe's style is likely more difficult for Martinez. Can't say what Nolf did in that match in terms of initiating shots etc. but Martinez was 1-2 scrambles short of normal on his moves. Look like got a bogus escape call against him, ref had blown the whistle before they were out, then awarded escape for Nolf, plus the stall call. Then went for the leg dive in scramble, which he never does, and for some reason rolled the wrong way.
Nolf won, but I don't think it will happen again. I thought Joe out wrestled Nolf, but one of those matches where he had a lapse in position resulting in that first td.
Why would we walk into a stacked deck that will serve as nothing but an advertisement for Big 10 wrestling? All home for them? Just participating and the whole premise lends itself to the story line Big 10 is the only conference to wrestle in. We should do an OSU takes on the world with all home meets in GIA.
My opinion is the big tens are chosen as hosts to give the events some stability. Without the site determined, then everything is up in limbo and leads to difficulty planning for all fans. At least now half the teams fans can make arrangements. The opponent is in limbo as to where they go, but it adds some excitement. Hard to announce OKST and PSU as hosts, when it is possible they could meet. Just my opinion, but I do understand non big ten gripes.
Then why announce anybody?
To promote the sport, put it in an accessible location and promote the heck out of it while giving Programs participating profit shares in equal proportion to placement.
Only a Ped State fan would argue location otherwise!
To promote the sport, put it in an accessible location and promote the heck out of it while giving Programs participating profit shares in equal proportion to placement.
Only a Ped State fan would argue location otherwise!
We should not go. We need to concentrate on qualifying ten wrestlers for the nationals. I have never been for the National duals in any way, shape or form. It is politics at its worst. On another subject brought up on this thread. Ionel, you did not watch the same match I watched. I have orange glasses but Joe was not in that match and I do not think he will win next time either. Imar was clearly the better wrestler. Joe will be great in the future and he may be the fourth best wrestler at this weight as a true freshman but I put Imar, Nolf and Ian Miller above him now. He will catch up to them but not this year. JMO and I will obviously be pulling for him to finish high. I believe he will be a 3X national champion.
yes but it wouldn't hurt joe smith or crutchmer to face their psu counterparts before nationals. If they lose, it wouldn't affect their seed. I think it would be beneficial for Boyd to see their 184 for seeding purposes with hopes of moving up. Also, klimara could see megoludis one more time before nationals. For whatever reason, he hasn't been able to find a solution since first period of their match in 2014. He took him down several times but ended up losing. Hasn't wrestled him close since. 141, 165, and hvyweight would win easily
Absolutely not, in that format.
Once you get to nationals, you're giving the Big Ten wrestlers just that much more of an advantage in getting a higher seed. If you've got two guys who are roughly equal, but you give one of them home field advantage in a match just because they are in a specific conference, that could be the difference between a 3 and a 4 seed, or a 7 and an 8 seed. I think that's just inherently fair.
Ask the Big Ten if they would do this tournament if they knew they had to travel just because they're in the Big Ten. They'd have the same opinion we have now.
As for the competition, I'm all for it. You should never be afraid to wrestle. That's why we put people out on the mat...to find out who's better. If you win, you get an advantage at nationals. If you lose, you get the seed you earned.
That's why I'm still bothered by OU's move to not put starters into a dual a few years back.
Once you get to nationals, you're giving the Big Ten wrestlers just that much more of an advantage in getting a higher seed. If you've got two guys who are roughly equal, but you give one of them home field advantage in a match just because they are in a specific conference, that could be the difference between a 3 and a 4 seed, or a 7 and an 8 seed. I think that's just inherently fair.
Ask the Big Ten if they would do this tournament if they knew they had to travel just because they're in the Big Ten. They'd have the same opinion we have now.
As for the competition, I'm all for it. You should never be afraid to wrestle. That's why we put people out on the mat...to find out who's better. If you win, you get an advantage at nationals. If you lose, you get the seed you earned.
That's why I'm still bothered by OU's move to not put starters into a dual a few years back.
I stated this thread because I feel the format is giving the Big 10 an unfair advantage. Besides for the highest ranked team going to Penn State which they could call the national dual championship what would be the reason to travel. Unless your team is in need for a good match but if not why would you go.
Question about this event. If PSU is in the "finals" matchup with another team does the winner of that dual get proclaimed dual champion?
Found this:
http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcawebsi...duals-championship-series-format.pdf?sfvrsn=0
Says they will try to keep it regional and not to matchup teams that have already faced each other.
Found this:
http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcawebsi...duals-championship-series-format.pdf?sfvrsn=0
Says they will try to keep it regional and not to matchup teams that have already faced each other.
Every time they "improve" this tournament it gets worse. These are not the greatest minds in wrestling. I would not walk across the street to see it if it was free. JMHO
I'd be surprised if half of the mathups even occur. With B10 as the host, probably only put the top matchup on BTN others likely on the pay for app. JG & TJ were talking about it on BTN during the Oh St v PSU meet, listed the B10s (it included IL who isn't in) but believe TJ was only able to list ~3 of the non-conf programs. Why would the non-B10s want to participate given all the revenue going to the BTN. The announcers probably won't get half the non-B10 wrestler info correct, they'll spend all their time talking up the B10 guys saying how great the conference is how one of their teams will win the NCAA's etc. Moreover, think some may reconsider given the timing and concern regarding "dinged" up wrestlers. If this were a different time of year up on ESPN3 or Flo it could be a great event for wrestling, as is looks to be good only for the B10. Without KC, don't see how OSU can matchup in a dual with PSU (need to have a chance to win both 157 & 174) and if he's just coming back, is that a good time to go up against the #1 guy?
Any rumor if John plans to participate? I'd think they'd need to decide and announce by tomorrow. With NC State loss (& probable defeat tomorrow) OSU should get the PSU matchup. IMO to have chance of success both KC & JS need to be good to go.
Planning on attending if it occurs, but worried about 16k PSU fans getting first crack at tickets, no desire to sit in the rafters.
Planning on attending if it occurs, but worried about 16k PSU fans getting first crack at tickets, no desire to sit in the rafters.
Realize that, but one doesn't have to wait for the pairing to figure out the likely top pairing. Just checking if any info on if top pair will John go? One doesn't have to wait for the official announcement to internally make that decision.
Also realize there'd be no final decision till seeing if all are healthy coming out of the Stanford meet.
How about none of the non big ten show up and the big 10 can wrestle themselves silly. Hope they all beat each other up.
That's what I'm hoping will happen!! But if John decides to go to State College I'd like to see it.
07mantle, it's not just tickets, but the hotel situation in State College is awful this weekend (it's THON weekend at Penn State, which is what the BJC is booked for). Just for an idea, I'm staying all the way out in Harrisburg (which does, in fairness, allow me to hit Army/Navy on Saturday).
Flights are at a premium as well.
Flights are at a premium as well.
Highly unlikely...He got majored by IMar. Also, an undefeated Ian Miller or Tommy Gantt would both get the top seeds over Smith. In all reality, he's fighting for a 4 or 5 seed behind the above two mentioned wrestlers, IMar and Nolf.
Different situation now that smith lost at Cornell. The match against Martinez was 11-5 I believe, so not a major. Possible Miller or Gantt will be undefeated, but my opinion is a one loss Nolf or Martinez gets the top seed over either of those that are undefeated. Still a lot of wrestling to see what happens.
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Rex said that John has stated we will be wrestling Penn State and we will participate next Sunday.
