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Did ya'll really think there would be no consequence to all the lying? That he could lie and lie and lie and destroy and the country would be like, "Yeah, let's govern ourselves like that."
Interesting that instead of Democrats working to answer questions about major voting irregularities, they have chosen to take the unprecedented steps of silencing those asking questions. Sure makes a thinking person wonder why.
So, Facebook, Twitter, etc have always allowed lying. Started way before 2016. My question for you is to what extent they are ok with lying. Is it politics? Is it false information about regular people (which has had severe consequences such as many suicides)? When is it ok?
Also, not believing something is not the same as lying. People discount the number of deaths associated wit COVID (and despite popular belief, it is being severely under reported right now). They have that right, as much as I wish people would listen, but that is long gone. Is Facebook and Twitter at will to dictate belief?
It is a concerning slippery slope. I have never had a social media account beyond this site and plan to keep it that way. Those platforms can no longer claim that they support the exchange of ideas.
I fall in to JD’s thoughts of investigate them all and see where the chips fall. That said, all investigations over the past 6-7 years have ended the same. Split down the party lines as to how the results are to be interpreted with neither side satisfied. With that, who would you believe the results from? Barr and Durham were perfect, until your side did not get what they wanted. You are no more guilty or innocent of that of that than the syskatines.
I think any allegations made against our government and our politicians should be investigated. Unfortunate those on the left think only Republicans should be investigated, while their side of the aisle are angelic.
have you seen the results of durhams investigation?
been have you?
i’d consider what i’m liking
If the evidence backs up the conclusion sure. If the evidence does not back it up then no.
I don't know where to draw the line, and you pose good questions. Regulating speech is hard, if not impossible.
At some point, you need some context. Lying about spinach cookies being the most delicious thing EVER is a white lie. Saying that someone is a pedophile and needs killed may not be a "lie" if the speaker believes it, but if it's untrue I would feel that's over the line. Any thinkin g person has a tough time on this slippery slope.
However, the Trump bullshit is easy. It's not a fuzzy line. He plainly lies about immensely important things -- deliberately -- and is trying to dismantle the democracy, and I'm fine with shutting that down.
That said, are you saying that lying with impunity against political rivals should be allowed? Or lying to subvert an otherwise clean election is okay?
I want to believe you, I really do. I see this as an issue of absence of evidence will not satisfy. The charge will then be thatbthey covered it up too well.
Oh no.. noooooooooooo, nooooooo, now you're on the slippery slope. So you're for zero restrictions? Say whatever you want, incite all you want, lie and accuse your opponent of pedophilia an stoke stochastic terrorism? I wanna see you show me how to navigate that slippery slope.
I'm pretty comfortable with kicking off obvious liars, particularly right now, after seeing the congressional cop beat to death... with an american flag.
So how many MSM reporters, senators and representatives are going to be kicked off for spreading the Russia lies for years?
It was proven with evidence that the Russian haux was fabricated by the Clinton's and DNC and screamed at citizens for years all on social media.
And how far back do we go?
Kick Obama off for not getting to keep my doctor?
Kick Bush and his group for lying about WMD's?
Billy Clinton for staining a blue dress? Or did he just lie on national TV?
It was proven with evidence that the Russian haux was fabricated by the Clinton's and DNC and screamed at citizens for years all on social media.
And how far back do we go?
Kick Obama off for not getting to keep my doctor?
Kick Bush and his group for lying about WMD's?
Billy Clinton for staining a blue dress? Or did he just lie on national TV?
On your last paragraph, absolutely not. Do we only hold the “lying” to political rivals? I am fine with twitter, etc moderating, but there need to be consistent.
Um....what? Moderating is certainly fine. Do so consistently. If the reason is to prevent harm, I listed a big example of one way that they cause real harm by not moderating.
All private businesses not allowing him to promote armed insurrection and sedition against our nation.
They choose not to do business with him or assist his insanity! No shirt, no shoes, no service!
They choose not to do business with him or assist his insanity! No shirt, no shoes, no service!
Let me ask you this. Based on the current standard, should Schiff have been banned claiming pee tapes and clear evidence, especially after he presented none? You want to be a multi billion dollar company, you have a system to moderate. The rules are stated with consequence clear. There will be some “moderation” from people complaining. So, having a team that manages those complaints would suffice, I would think. What they have done now, some can easily be justified, some is clearly reaching, but there is hypocrisy in the current form.
I dont' know what you're talking about, but if a dem consistently harassed someone with an out and out lie, and kept it up, yeah, that'd be over the line. The pee tape is a little different than "the election was a fraud" as it's a report from an intel report and may be true. It may not. I would not have objected if it was disproven, it was pointed out to Schiff, and he kept it up. Yeah, that'd be over the line.
You're also not including considerations of volume (how often does he lie?) and the consequences of the lie, i.e. is someone embarrassed, or do 5 people end up getting killed. Can reasonable minds differ, or is it obviously a lie? Too many variables for me to say, "This is the consistent test everyone should use." Btw, I haven't seen your proposed test, either.
You got a problem with Forbes doing this? The American business community is PISSED after last week. Unmantling the greatest democracy in history for one man's selfish ambitions is not going over well. It's bad business.
Trump being banned can be justified, under the context that this is more than just him. Schiff lied, and no consequence. On that and your point, however, Trump was likely told that cheating at the ballot counts occurred. Since he believes it, is it lying? Same as Schiff.
As to volume of lies, how does that get quantified versus other liars? Right now, your only argument is “but, Trump.” I have no sympathy for him. I am looking at a broader context. The #walkaway ban looks suspiciously partisan from what I can see. Same with Flynn. Neither of those getting banned make sense to me.
You really should avoid posting anything that has to do with any kind of principle, since yours seem will always change depending on which jersey the subject is wearing.
Man it’s going to be crazy when Twitter gets shut down for the same offense
I’m sure it will happen.. no way they won’t let it slide
I’m sure it will happen.. no way they won’t let it slide
The entire Trump presidency was torpedoed by a HUGE f-ing lie about Russia and you have the balls to show up here every day and screech about LIES. Pelosi and Schiff would be the first booted off of Twitter if lying was the standard you giant f-ing hypocrite.
Subversion of democracy and a fair election? The current Democratic congressional delegation made it an art form from 2017-2020.
All I expect is equal treatment. We investigated a known false allegation in Russian collusion for 2 1/2 years with absolutely no evidence.
You try to hard at being an idiot.....please provide me one quote from Trump that called for an "armed insurrection and sedition against our nation." You freakin can't but alas, someone bemoaning lies on social platforms is lying to prove his point. To libs/socialist the truth does not matter as long as your side gets what they want, then lying and violence are prerfectly acceptable.
Hope your not a teacher, police officer or ATC.
Therein lies the problem. It seems obvious to me if 10% of the users generate 90% of the falsehoods, get rid of the 10%. You want every statement deconstructed and subjective intent to be analyzed. Iif you go 1 - 63 in court over it, and it's adjudicated, you still analyzed whether he truly believes it? How about e1 say, "well i really believed it" so now there's no moderating?
It's hard. Perpetual lying to foment sedition is across whatever line I can come up with.
Going back to Schiff. A multiple year investigation yielded nothing that he, Schiff, claimed. That investigation did not “exonerate” Trump, but nothing is was shown that Schiff claimed. That was dominating social media for several years. For that, should he be banned? If yes, why has he not been banned? The attacks against individuals leading to suicides should be stopped as well. I know of a few cases where the harassment was obviously and provably wrong, lies, and harassing, yet Facebook did nothing saying that it did not breach rules. Real harm caused, no care since it wasn’t political or play that game. That is wrong in every way.
Maybe so! I don't know the facts, I could see where yeah, schiff could go too far if he was repeatedly saying something that was plainly untrue.
So you just let this type of stuff go?
I would not let that go. Nor would I have let those that were burning down cities. See, just between the two of us, we are drawing clear lines. Funny that Twitter and Facebook can’t figure it out.
That’s not what our intelligence services said and continue to say. Continued Russian interference and misinformation continues today including the hacking of government computers.
You found it on Twitter. Yes?
The message is getting more exposure now than the author ever dreamed. If it's so bad, maybe people shouldn't be posting things on the internet that aren't supposed to take place until next week
Yea all 17 of them right? You are the perfect example of a person that has been manipulated by the MSM.
Deer lowered. Really?
Russia interfered, yes, just as we interfere in other countries elections to our favor. But it was proven that the Trump campaign did not collude with the Russians. This is all we heard out of Schiff and Pelosi and every idiot MSM reporter that could get in front of a camera for over 2 years.
And big tech went along with them every step of the way.
LOL at the Russian interference narrative. Obama spent eight years trying to get Netanyahu defeat via the same means.
