Not on board with the deportations

[Medic007]

While people flock to the Russian spectacle in droves, real shit like this is occurring. Very disappointing. It seems that those who came here/stayed here under previous administrations who turned a blind eye are now being punished for the ineptness of our government to deal with immigration reform. They've been allowed to be here and make lives and families for themselves and now ICE is aggressively pursuing them.

I don't think this guy was a bad hombre. These types of cases go against common sense, fairness, and basic humanity. He was providing for his family. I guess we'll all be providing for them now. So much for getting rid of the actual bad guys. Stupid ass policy, Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.lati...me-immigration-school-20170303-story,amp.html

 

[Ponca Dan]

While people flock to the Russian spectacle in droves, real shit like this is occurring. Very disappointing. It seems that those who came here/stayed here under previous administrations who turned a blind eye are now being punished for the ineptness of our government to deal with immigration reform. They've been allowed to be here and make lives and families for themselves and now ICE is aggressively pursuing them.

I don't think this guy was a bad hombre. These types of cases go against common sense, fairness, and basic humanity. He was providing for his family. I guess we'll all be providing for them now. So much for getting rid of the actual bad guys. Stupid ass policy, Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.lati...me-immigration-school-20170303-story,amp.html

I wish I could give you two thumbs up!

 

[purkey]

there will be ugly and unfortunate situations like this until they decide on where to start enforcing the laws that have been ignored for so long. Sorry.

 

[Medic007]

there will be ugly and unfortunate situations like this until they decide on where to start enforcing the laws that have been ignored for so long. Sorry.

A good start would be for the government to assume much of the blame for the ineptness of its leaders and realize that the deportation of a bunch of victims of that ineptness is going to be destructive to children and families that have done nothing wrong.

 

[purkey]

er uh, they knowingly came here illegally? That is against the law last time I checked. While this particular instance is not threatening and probably harmless, at some point the line in the sand will have to be drawn. I don't know how they pick and choose but...well, there it is.

 

[Medic007]

er uh, they knowingly came here illegally? That is against the law last time I checked. While this particular instance is not threatening and probably harmless, at some point the line in the sand will have to be drawn. I don't know how they pick and choose but...well, there it is.

Yes, coming in illegally is against the law, but nobody has enforced it. In fact in some cases, things have been done to even give them rights, welfare, driver licenses, etc. I'm not arguing the legal aspect. It's a freakin shame our elected leaders have ignored the law, allowed a porous border, given rights to those here illegally, and in some cases even encouraged illegal immigration, but haven't had the balls or brains to provide any path to a legal status for the ones that are here because of their ineptness.

Trump would be wise to keep his campaign rhetoric of deporting only the bad hombres at this point and encouraging Congress to do something for the rest while simultaneously securing the border.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Elections have consequences. Laws that were ignored are now being enforced. I'm okay with that.

If we don't want to enforce them, get them changed.

 

[Rdcldad]

i'm not on board with illegal immigration

we have laws and if i have to live by them
you have to live by them

otherwise nobody feels like they have to live by them

 

[Medic007]

I get the legal aspect and feel the same way. The human cost of the current deportations is what is concerning to me. In many of these cases, we're going to be paying to support the legal members of the family left behind. It just seems like a terribly stupid idea.

Trump said he was going to focus on bad hombres. A misdemeanor DUI from 10 years ago doesn't seem to fit that category. In my opinion, focusing efforts on the bad hombres while pushing Congress to do something for the non-bad hombres seems like a brilliant idea.

So much for this bullshit peddled by Paul Ryan...

“What we have to do is find a way to make sure that you can get right with the law, and we’ve got to do this in a good way so that the rug doesn’t get pulled out from under you and your family gets separated.”


Trump's "humane" deportation plan
Host Jake Tapper pointed out that Mr. Trump, during the campaign, promised a “deportation force” to round up the more than 11 million immigrants in the country illegally. Ryan dismissed that idea.

“I’m here to tell you in Congress, it’s not happening.”

Instead, Ryan said Mr. Trump has asked lawmakers to focus on two priorities with respect to illegal immigration: securing the border and deporting immigrants who are violent, repeat criminals."

https://www.google.com/amp/cbsnews.cbs.com/amp/news/paul-ryan-trump-mass-deportations-not-happening/

 

[TPOKE]

Sad thing about problems being ignored for years (by both parties) is that you have to go to extremes to right the ship. Come up with a policy to give immigrants so much time to register, whether it be a work visa or path to citizenship, then drop the hammer on those found who didn't register, after the grace period. Not all immigrants are criminals, just desperate. Quit using these people as political pawns, on both sides.

 

[purkey]

it's going to take a while to get some kind of acceptable policy that works. The transition will take a while and it will be ugly and seemingly unfair until some kind of multiple acceptable method is found. It will take some failures to get something correct but that is what will happen eventually. They are not pawns, they are here illegally.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Legal immigration via work visas doesn't have to be a path to citizenship. They can be long term visitors. Just do it legally.

 

[TPOKE]

it's going to take a while to get some kind of acceptable policy that works. The transition will take a while and it will be ugly and seemingly unfair until some kind of multiple acceptable method is found. It will take some failures to get something correct but that is what will happen eventually. They are not pawns, they are here illegally.

They are pawns because, like I said, they've ignored the problem for years. They let it get out of hand. Other than that I agree with you 100%.

 

[Medic007]

They are pawns because, like I said, they've ignored the problem for years. They let it get out of hand. Other than that I agree with you 100%.

My point exactly. Take care of the violent ones, but start doing something to make being here legal for the decent working folks that have been enabled to spend their entire lives here. Taking them away from their families at this point on account of a decade old DUI is just stupid.

 

[mseabolt]

I agree with you Medic. We need a way to get undocumented immigrants that are not criminals (other than being here) either into a citizenship path or some kind of work visa .... And it can't be so expensive they can't ever could never come up with the money.

Then a solid immigration path that is enforced and get rid of the nanny state.

Something has to right the ship

 

[AC_Exotic]

The fact that our government gives non-tax paying illegals benefits pisses me off to no end.

Couple that with the fact that we can't effectively take care of our own and it's a full blown problem.

 

[Medic007]

I agree with you Medic. We need a way to get undocumented immigrants that are not criminals (other than being here) either into a citizenship path or some kind of work visa .... And it can't be so expensive they can't ever could never come up with the money.

Then a solid immigration path that is enforced and get rid of the nanny state.

Something has to right the ship

I was hoping a Trump administration would move in this direction. So far it appears to be deport a bunch of people and then, well, what?

 

[Medic007]

The fact that our government gives non-tax paying illegals benefits pisses me off to no end.

Couple that with the fact that we can't effectively take care of our own and it's a full blown problem.

True, but there is a large segment of illegals that can be made legal to contribute to the solution instead of being stuck in the problem.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Just preclude any illegal immigrant a path to citizenship but allow any that haven't been convicted of criminal offenses a work visa. Make them pay taxes, but no government benefits and no social security. That's the cost of living here as a guest.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Agree completely medic. Our representative government let these people in with a wink to the immigrants and an elbow in the ribs to the corporations who exploited them.

There should only be work visas, no citizenship for good hombres but don't deport them. Most conservatives were willing to deal after the border was secure.

 

[Medic007]

Agree completely medic. Our representative government let these people in with a wink to the immigrants and an elbow in the ribs to the corporations who exploited them.

There should only be work visas, no citizenship for good hombres but don't deport them. Most conservatives were willing to deal after the border was secure.

Agreed HSH. Get the dealing done AS the border is secured. At this pace, the idiot Republicans, Trump included, are going to flat out give the ball back to the Obamas in 2018.

 

[windriverrange]

Medic...one of the quickest ways to end this stuff is get rid of birth right citizenship. Second thing is to start culling out the habitual criminals and get rid of them. I'm open to allowing some, who haven't caused problems, to stay but these idiots in congress need to come up with an enforceable plan and stick with it. There just doesn't seem to be any incentive to do this right and there are so many guilty of participating it's epically sad.

I am adamant about one thing though. If it can be proven that anyone here illegally has defrauded the government out of money, they need to be expeditiously kicked out of this country and never be elligible to come back.

There also has to be some burdens on those who can/want to stay, with no shortcuts and a very stringent path. Any deviation then tough crap. Regan tried to work with both parties on this once and all they did was accept the part where amnesty was given, but the laws trying a stop to illegal immigration were blown off.

Thousands of American citizens have paid the ultimate price for the inability of either side to make any progress in this area. There just does not seem to be a middle ground, since the various ideological bent fanatics can't or won't do what's best for the citizens of this country. For many people, since no middle ground can be gained, they are perfectly willing to accept more and more radical options to promulgate a system that can't be gamed any longer.

Okay for the big question...who's the ballerina?

 

[Medic007]

Medic...one of the quickest ways to end this stuff is get rid of birth right citizenship. Second thing is to start culling out the habitual criminals and get rid of them. I'm open to allowing some, who haven't caused problems, to stay but these idiots in congress need to come up with an enforceable plan and stick with it. There just doesn't seem to be any incentive to do this right and there are so many guilty of participating it's epically sad.

I am adamant about one thing though. If it can be proven that anyone here illegally has defrauded the government out of money, they need to be expeditiously kicked out of this country and never be elligible to come back.

There also has to be some burdens on those who can/want to stay, with no shortcuts and a very stringent path. Any deviation then tough crap. Regan tried to work with both parties on this once and all they did was accept the part where amnesty was given, but the laws trying a stop to illegal immigration were blown off.

Thousands of American citizens have paid the ultimate price for the inability of either side to make any progress in this area. There just does not seem to be a middle ground, since the various ideological bent fanatics can't or won't do what's best for the citizens of this country. For many people, since no middle ground can be gained, they are perfectly willing to accept more and more radical options to promulgate a system that can't be gamed any longer.

Okay for the big question...who's the ballerina?

I agree 100% windriver. Very well put.

The "ballerina" is my youngest daughter. She's actually a gymnast though. Lol. You might very well see her competing for OU in about 5 years (she wants to attend OSU undergrad for their vet program, but they've got no gymnastics team). My Other From Another Mother is a sophmore on OU's ladies team this year.

 

[windriverrange]

Dang congrats man...that's awesome! Yea been a long time since OSU had a gymnastics group. Also impressive she is already thinking about a career path....

She goes to vet school then you'll have to come up for ball games...have to go to Joes and get semi rowdy.

What your daughters first name that competes now? Have to watch for her on the tube when they cover the gymnastics.

My niece throws the javalin at OSU and I'm not sure who gets more nervous or worked up at meets. Our family or her, haha. Sure you know what I'm talking about.

 

[Headhunter]

If you have a deportation warrant against you and they know where you are they should enforce it.

It's the law. Don't like it get it changed.

 

[ctdub]

Why am I supposed to be outraged about this deportation? Because I'm not...

He has two prior criminal convictions, said Emi MacLean, an attorney for the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. The organization put out a call to action the day he was arrested, asking supporters to tell ICE not to deport him.

MacLean said Avelica-Gonzalez was convicted of misdemeanor DUI and misdemeanor driving without a license in 2008. Another misdemeanor conviction, in 1998, was for receipt of stolen property when he bought a non-DMV-issued vehicle registration tag. Before 2015, immigrants living in California illegally could not get driver’s licenses.

 

[Medic007]

What your daughters first name that competes now? Have to watch for her on the tube when they cover the gymnastics.

I'll send that to you in email.

 

[Medic007]

Why am I supposed to be outraged about this deportation? Because I'm not...

He has two prior criminal convictions, said Emi MacLean, an attorney for the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. The organization put out a call to action the day he was arrested, asking supporters to tell ICE not to deport him.

MacLean said Avelica-Gonzalez was convicted of misdemeanor DUI and misdemeanor driving without a license in 2008. Another misdemeanor conviction, in 1998, was for receipt of stolen property when he bought a non-DMV-issued vehicle registration tag. Before 2015, immigrants living in California illegally could not get driver’s licenses.

Sounds like the really bad hombres Trump told us about. When can we see news about the deportations of the actual really bad hombres?

 

[ctdub]

Sounds like the really bad hombres Trump told us about. When can we see news about the deportations of the actual really bad hombres?

If he's drinking a 12 pack of Dos Equis and getting behind the wheel he's a bad hombre.

 

[Medic007]

If he's drinking a 12 pack of Dos Equis and getting behind the wheel he's a bad hombre.

Sounds like we've got a bunch of bad hombres to round up then, legal status notwithstanding.

 

[ctdub]

Sounds like we've got a bunch of bad hombres to round up then, legal status notwithstanding.

Sure. Let's start with the ones that aren't supposed to be here.

 

[imprimis]

How many illegal entries into the US should be allowed for the good non-violent illegal immigrants to stay? 1-2-3-more? Are we also to overlook crimes, including DWI, the non-violent commit while here illegally notwithstanding they aren't as bad as MS-13 gang members? By my count that would be at least two of our laws broken without consequences. Reality is there are more than enough criminal illegals and Visa violators to keep ICE busy 24/7 for years without going after the "law abiding" illegals. But, we can't ignore the non-violent illegals especially when they are identified or worse, boast about their illegal immigration.

I'm against giving any immigrant who arrived here illegally preferential treatment over those waiting in line to gain legal entry. That's a slap in the face of those who seek entry the correct way to our country. Likewise, nobody who got here illegally should be allowed citizenship before those who followed the laws. Nobody who is here illegally should be allowed any pathway to citizenship or work Visas without first leaving the country.

Perhaps part of any immigration reform for those who broke our law is a prohibition on voting for 25 years. Nor should any state be allowed to circumvent the voting prohibition. I wonder how that would fly in the halls of Congress or state Capitols.

The illegal immigrants broke our laws, whether once or multiple times, and there is a price to pay for that.