north korea
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Good speech, didn't use worthless politically correct speak like his predecessor.
Except he's doing the exact same thing every other useless president before him has done. 64 years of useless, looking at 4 more years of useless.
Encouraging.
Sister-in-Law has an uncle that works for a government agency (no idea which one), and he has hinted for about 4-5 years now that the NK leader is pissing off the mega powers around the planet (duh?). But, he warned that whoever the problem is, he never said NK but it has always been my guess, could possibly start another major war involving the US.
Before I go on, am not interested in seeing anything happen there that requires a huge US footprint, from a military standpoint. So before they do get a nuke or can produce more of what they have, something will have to be done. Don't think sanctions, threats and the like will work this time. Obviously this clown is being bankrolled (probably by the money we flew to Iran) to create one of the more unstable atmospheres in the world.
Think the last thing you want to do is arm everyone with nukes in the area though. My solution would be create a middle Korea; a non-militarized strip of the country that includes the area from The South Korean Border to Pyongyang. With everything to the north belongs to China. China is worried about the humanitarian disaster that would follow a North Korean government collapse so organize a multi-national relief effort that has specific goals/AOO's. Keep the UN completely and utterly out of the relief and subsequent territorial issues. The government in Middle Korea would have to be a type democracy with absolutely no military powers. Seems Pollyannaish, but it would give China the buffer they sacrificed a million plus soldiers for in The Korean War, clean up the mess the world has let North Korea become and bring an economic stability to an area that needs jobs (who knows maybe even the muslins will show up and stop being jihadist's).
If a war does come, it should be South Korea, Japan and other regional powers doing the heavy lifting.
Found this link that purportedly lays out some of the salient points about what they do and don't have http://www.ranker.com/list/north-korean-military-facts/mike-rothschild
Think the last thing you want to do is arm everyone with nukes in the area though. My solution would be create a middle Korea; a non-militarized strip of the country that includes the area from The South Korean Border to Pyongyang. With everything to the north belongs to China. China is worried about the humanitarian disaster that would follow a North Korean government collapse so organize a multi-national relief effort that has specific goals/AOO's. Keep the UN completely and utterly out of the relief and subsequent territorial issues. The government in Middle Korea would have to be a type democracy with absolutely no military powers. Seems Pollyannaish, but it would give China the buffer they sacrificed a million plus soldiers for in The Korean War, clean up the mess the world has let North Korea become and bring an economic stability to an area that needs jobs (who knows maybe even the muslins will show up and stop being jihadist's).
If a war does come, it should be South Korea, Japan and other regional powers doing the heavy lifting.
Found this link that purportedly lays out some of the salient points about what they do and don't have http://www.ranker.com/list/north-korean-military-facts/mike-rothschild
Arm them to their teeth, I say.
I can't blame one U.S. President for what they've done with NK. We've tried everything, nothing has stuck. Try it Biff's way.
Arm them to their teeth, I say.
I can't blame one U.S. President for what they've done with NK. We've tried everything, nothing has stuck. Try it Biff's way.
Really it's a great example of bipartisan failure for sure.
I'm not even sure anyone has failed. Saying this country has failed to deal with NK is like saying a heart surgeon failed because he couldn't save a guy that was point blank shot in the heart with a 12 gauge. Talking myself through this, yeah I guess the Dr failed but I can't blame him. Any blame is on NK and to a lesser degree, China, in my mind.
What would be better, war? That's what we're trying to avoid. Being hard nosed? Did that. Make a deal? Did that. Do nothing and let it implode? Did that. All reasonable approaches, none worked. I'd bet anything Russia and/or China aided NK's nuke and missile program, too.
China should've been more helpful and exercised real leadership in this deal. I wonder if a couple dozen nuclear-armed, japanese bombers and F-35's cruising around the NK and China borders would motivate China to be more helpful in keeping the peace? Or if Japan occasionally tested their own missiles off of NK's coast? "Oh, we certainly did talk to them, China. But they're a sovereign country. We're doing everything we can to make them stop. We even instituted a trade embargo on hot dog buns. They didn't blink."
North Korea is a major problem that has evolved while several administrations both Republican and Democrat failed to do anything. But........the last thing anyone needs is the leader of the free world sounding like a 10 year old bully picking on the 5th grade class in the next room. The world needs strong , stable leadership from this country , when terms like "rocket man" and such are used it makes the United States sound just as ridiculous and idiotic as those he is talking about.
I don't disagree, but I'd counter with saying that being polite and using friendly warnings and simple sanctions has only allowed this issue to fester for years. Being direct and treating the sycophant like a 10-year old has drawn this issue out to be addressed internationally prior to Kim being able to make our allies and territories (such as Guam) glow in the dark.
1. How many examples of him riding derisive negative branding to political victory? Little Marco, low energy Jeb, crooked Hillary... now Rocketman. It diminishes the self important little prick by specifically not giving him the respect he craves.
Explained...
2. Posts like this are exactly what make otherwise cynical centrists defend Donald Trump. It's weird. Hard to understand anyone not at least grudgingly appreciating his speech yesterday but whatever.
Ordinarily I'd say you're absolutely right. But it's not about "anyone" -- it's about a psychopath that thinks like a 10 year old. So communicate in the way that's most effective to a 10 year old psychopath. Nothing else has worked. It's not like they respond to rational diplomacy or economic pressure.
I'm still baffled that we've always done the same damn things over and over and actually expect different results. What does that fat little tyrant actually want? He loves his position of dictator so he and his friends can live like kings. What is the biggest threat to him continuing that lifestyle? The likes of South Korea, Japan, and the USA. If I had the US military aimed at me for the past 64 years, I'd make damn sure I had an effective deterrent to keep them from just bulldozing my country at will. What if we changed course, began negotiating an official end to the war, begin de-escalating the border, give some assurances of security, and literally pay him cash money to enhance his lifestyle in exchange for a decreased posture and de-escalation on his side? We're never going to get him to budge with our current posture.
Same with Iran. Treating people like enemies through action and words usually makes them act like the enemy. I'd develop nukes too if I were Iran or North Korea. The USA has a long history of using our military for regime change. Strangely enough, we've never used our military to attempt regime change in a nuclear armed country. Surely our government realizes that countries like Iran and North Korea are aware of this.
Same with Iran. Treating people like enemies through action and words usually makes them act like the enemy. I'd develop nukes too if I were Iran or North Korea. The USA has a long history of using our military for regime change. Strangely enough, we've never used our military to attempt regime change in a nuclear armed country. Surely our government realizes that countries like Iran and North Korea are aware of this.
I start to think, well ole Medic, he is just not getting it and then... Damn son, two bottles of my best for you.
Your tune has changed quite a bit since last this subject was brought up. Before it was all nothing to worry about with NK now it is all Trumps fault. Ridiculous
Maybe invite him to one of his golf clubs for a winner take all match play tournament...bring along Rodman and make it a pro-am thing. I hear both Beloved Leaders are quite the golfers. One of them is rumored to have shot a round of 18 in 18.
Damn, Clinton gave his "dady" the money in the 90's, and the same Pollyanna shit has been perpetuated by presidents to date. The crazy bastard is possessed about "going nuke"(aided/abetted by China, Russia?), and nothing we do at this point will deter him. It has nothing to do with our current posture; repeating the same mistakes of the last 25 years won't work either.
Normally I'm with you on a lot of topics but I'm not sure I am on this one.
While a tactical change such as you have suggested sure sounds great, it seems that the positive outcome(s) you predict are predicated on the notion that Kim Krazy is enamoured with a lifestyle and a luxurious status quo, which I don't really buy.
I think the dude is enamoured with power and little else. Every interaction that gives him either the illusion of, or actual, power is merely another coke hit, bringing him back for more. Bribing someone like that not only won't work, it will encourage them to escalate their maneuvering for more power.
I admit I may be wrong but my so-so knowledge of history and human nature tells me I'm probably not.
Trumpet, No.
Notice that virtually the only things I seem pro-Trump on are in opposition to Trump derangement screeds.
I'm actually overall not very satisfied with him at the moment but still, he's not Hillary so still meeting the threshold of my very low bar of expectations and I don't GAF if that makes me a fan to the #resistance LARPers.
But please,tell me more.
Hmm, petty nicknames do cause an emotional reaction.... Trump might be on to something here after all. Let me ask are you more or less likely to irrationally punch me in the nose if I call you Trumpet instead of your true name MegaPoke?
all the fat little tyrant has to do is not be an ahole and nobody gives a big ole deuce what he does
he doesn't need to spend 50% of his gdp on military, he can build prosperity in his country
nobody upon nobody is getting involved in another country on account of democracy
1. don't state sponsor terrorism
2. don't state sponsor terrorism
this turds threat is from within, his people get a whiff of korean bbq from the south and they'll get tired of starving real quick.
FIFY
He's no different than the US public school system. We've thrown trillions into education and the results continue to decline. The normal traditional response = more $$$$.
I have never said there is nothing to worry about, right now they cannot directly threaten the US , but they will eventually. But, the leader of the free world should not bring himself down to their level, what's President Trumps next response...,"I'm rubber you're glue........"?
