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Media and so called experts on this shooting are clueless.....this was not hard to do

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Some in the media and so called experts are really trying to over-complicate the physical and mental act this shooter performed Sunday night.

How do you get 10 bags to the room and not be noticed? Seriously? He was there since Thursday. He brings up a couple of bags a day and if he makes 2 runs in a day they are spread out far apart. This is easy and no one notices.

He could not have pulled this off without military training, how he attacked showed military planning, etc.....I continue to be shocked at this thinking.

Anyone wanting to kill a bunch of people would pick the upper floors with a line of sight to that area, you are shooting down and have full sight of everything, you do not have to be a military expert to figure this one out. High ground has advantages as anyone knows, it is even a saying - "take the high ground".

"You have to be an expert to be able to shoot these guns." Well, I am an accountant and former auditor and I just recently started to enjoy gun ownership 5 years ago. I have pistols, shotguns and an M&P 15 -.22LR Sport Rifle.

Within a very short period of time I became very accurate with every firearm I own and very knowledgeable in how to break them down. These guns are for hunting, self-defense, and my AR Rifle is a plinking gun for me. The worst thing for any gun is for it to be so difficult to use and for it to require advanced training. No one wants a gun so hard to use it might kill them or someone they know. The military definitely wants guns that are easy to shoot and maintain for soldiers in high stress situations. The simpler the better.

You could blindfold me and I can operate my Glock 19 handgun with ease. There is nothing, and I mean nothing about the guns he was using that was difficult. Changing magazines is simple. Loading magazines is simple. Turning the safety off and on is simple. Learning to use the charging handle on an AR rifle is simple. He was not worried about accuracy, using the bump stock decreases accuracy (and no, you do not need a military expert to tell you that, it is COMMON SENSE) but it puts out lead faster. When you have 22,000 targets he was just wanting to spread lead as fast as he could. He went with simple and fast. Perhaps he had all the rifles loaded with clips so he did not have to even mess with changing out clips? That would make sense in terms of trying to save time to lay more lead down faster and perhaps to not overheat a gun, but again that is COMMON SENSE. You can change clips, fast. Extra guns to me means saving seconds if possible to kill more people.

This man could read, he had some intelligence, he could learn quickly. There is all kinds of information on the internet and on video to get people up to speed very quickly on guns. You have gun ranges and you have instructors. I would suggest if you researched hard enough, read and learned enough, he could have learned more about guns, accessories, and bullet ballistics and types then a person that has just gone thru basic in the military.

I can guarantee you, IMO there is a bunch of gun owners on this board (and I would include myself) that are not military trained that could have physically and mentally performed exactly what this man did within a reasonable amount of time, from initial gun acquisition and target selection.

Maybe, the media and to some degree people do not want to admit that yes, ONE person can do this, perhaps people do not want to believe that and so they put down this guy as an old retired accountant that had no military training so how could he do it? Are people that naïve? Are they naïve about what intelligent human beings that like to read and learn can accomplish on their own? Is our society so dumbed down now, that unless you are spoon fed something from a so-called expert that an individual can not accomplish things on their own? That 64 year old came from a generation that was expected to figure things out on their own and to accept working 80 hours a week in the corporate world if needed doing all kinds of problem solving and detective (audit) work on their own. Yes, some people can still think for themselves.

One thing about auditors? They make an audit program before an audit (they plan every audit step and they plan both time and resources as well), they evaluate audit risk (getting inventory in place, position to shoot from - hide muzzle flash, timing (night), cameras to allow him to select his time of death), they evaluate how to minimize risk, they know what they are trying to accomplish (bump stocks for putting lead down range fast, and 2 shooting nests because he knew people would run in different directions so he wanted multiple angles), and they are very detailed oriented. A bunch of this is common sense, but for him it was second nature. FBI profilers are missing the boat, this man had the right intelligence and the professional and personal skills I noted above to apply this to this situation and to carry it out. Many other professionals in their careers learn very similar skills, skills that can be applied to many things, and in this instance is was to create mass murder.

Many people in the civilian population are smarter than those in the military. I laugh that some think only the military has the corner on planning an attack with the intent to kill.

This can happen again, this was a pretty simple physical and mental act IMO for a normal human.
 
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The shooter owned a home in Mesquite, TX and had lived there for several years a while back. Just outside of Mesquite is a 200 meter long gun range which still allows full metal jacket firing. I wonder if he ever went there to shoot?
 
The shooter owned a home in Mesquite, TX and had lived there for several years a while back. Just outside of Mesquite is a 200 meter long gun range which still allows full metal jacket firing. I wonder if he ever went there to shoot?

Good chance, and I am sure the FBI already knows. There is a bunch of stuff the FBI already knows that has not been released. Until the puzzle is completely or mostly put together I doubt we hear anything and talking about what they know might hurt the investigation.

That is a good tidbit of information, and perhaps being retired and having a range like that nearby he took up an interest in guns.
 
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I don't think it's that the level of difficulty in execution is high for someone motivated enough to acquire the weapons, knowledge etc. I think it's more the fact that most mass killings fall into the category of one of three kinds of killers.

1. Someone who has a history of mental illness and psychotropic prescriptions who *snaps* one day, gets a gun and walks into a soft target shooting gallery OR plows their car into a crowd like the nutty bitch at homecoming.

2. Radicalized religious or idealist who is martyring himself for a cause like a garden variety jihadist

3. Political idealist who thinks he might get away with it like McVeigh.

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#1 doesn't typically have a ton of pre-planning and uses the act to commit suicide by cop or be pushed into a corner where he finally has the balls to kill himself in the heat of the moment he's created. This person is crazy and in hindsight, his actions seem predictable.

#2 Simple brainwashing of low IQ peasants by convincing them that there is an eternal reward for martyring themselves.

#3 Maybe this guy, but we still know nothing of his motivation, and killing himself is more of a #1 kind of thing to do. Very strange.

Basically to me, the mystery is that so far, there's very little to say about this guy's motivation. He just doesn't fit any mold for a mass killer so far. His selection of a country music crowd, was it simply a matter of an easy target rich environment, or did the perceived demographics of *that* crowd have anything to do with it?

Is there an as yet unknown religious element? What does the note say? What's on the video?

Basically it's all guesswork at this point based on known information. But it remains very very weird.

Yes, the level of difficulty might not be super high, but the level of commitment, planning and execution is very high. This took a lot of time and thought to plan out and make happen. If he had no help, it's even more notable.

The FBI knows something of his motivation by now, and I think we deserve some answers.
 
Basically to me, the mystery is that so far, there's very little to say about this guy's motivation. He just doesn't fit any mold for a mass killer so far. His selection of a country music crowd, was it simply a matter of an easy target rich environment, or did the perceived demographics of *that* crowd have anything to do with it?
During last night's new conference with the Sheriff it was mentioned that there had been another outdoor concert the previous weekend in an smaller venue. They said that either they knew he had gone there as a dry run or they wanted to see if he had. I don't recall precisely how it was said. Regardless, I believe it was the size of the crowd and not the demographics of the crowd which was the target.

This was not a spontaneous act. It's clear the shooter planned this for quite some time.
 
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During last night's new conference with the Sheriff it was mentioned that there had been another outdoor concert the previous weekend in an smaller venue. They said that either they knew he had gone there as a dry run or they wanted to see if he had. I don't recall precisely how it was said. Regardless, I believe it was the size of the crowd and not the demographics of the crowd which was the target.

This was not a spontaneous act. It's clear the shooter planned this for quite some time.
An Ogden, Utah music festival with Blink 182 and Lorde. Apparently he tried, but couldn't get a hotel room.
 
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How do you know they know? Why wouldn't they be sharing the info?

The same reason the FBI told OSU and its employees it could not discuss the charges against Evans. They will want to test this girlfriend's honesty to see if she admits to things they already know, maybe they have another potential suspect and do not want them to know they are getting close, etc....
 
An Ogden, Utah music festival with Blink 182 and Lorde. Apparently he tried, but couldn't get a hotel room.

It was a music festival in downtown Las Vegas. He rented a room at a complex called The Ogden in downtown off the AirBnB website.
 
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