Makes Perfect Sense

[Ponca Dan]

But will the NeoCon-infused State Department listen? The answer so far is a resounding “no.”

Appeasement for a Good Cause

Putin is not Hitler and peace in Europe is worth making a deal with Russia.

www.theamericanconservative.com

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Toilet paper.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Toilet paper.

Didn’t read the link, did you?

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Didn’t read the link, did you?

I did better than that. I looked at Mr Bandow's list of articles. Looks like I MIGHT agree with him on Bosnia. I did not support intervention in those conflicts. Serbia was the lesser of all the evils and siding with Muslim terrorists is never good policy. In fact I also supported Putin's Chechnya policies.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I did better than that. I looked at Mr Bandow's list of articles. Looks like I MIGHT agree with him on Bosnia. I did not support intervention in those conflicts. Serbia was the lesser of all the evils and siding with Muslim terrorists is never good policy. In fact I also supported Putin's Chechnya policies.

If you had read the article you would know how ridiculous it would be for you to post the picture of Chamberlain waving his paper. Bandow offers a way to peace, a way that Russia has signaled it would approve, a way that costs the US and NATO nothing except the disapproval of the NeoCons that are lusting to start another war.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

If you had read the article you would know how ridiculous it would be for you to post the picture of Chamberlain waving his paper. Bandow offers a way to peace, a way that Russia has signaled it would approve, a way that costs the US and NATO nothing except the disapproval of the NeoCons that are lusting to start another war.

"Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region..."

This is a correct perception and to be expected as long as Russia is a corrupt kleptocracy run by Putin.

 

[Ponca Dan]

"Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region..."

This is a correct perception and to be expected as long as Russia is a corrupt kleptocracy run by Putin.

So it is your opinion that Russia should have no influence in the region immediately surrounding it, but the US has a moral obligation to extend its influence anywhere on the face of the planet, and any nation that objects to America’s influence should be beaten into submission, is that right? And on top of that everyone is supposed to understand we’re good guys, just there to protect them from anyone that might want to impose its will on them, we’re just looking out for their best interest because we always know best. Yeah, that’s a great way to exert influence.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

So it is your opinion that Russia should have no influence in the region immediately surrounding it, but the US has a moral obligation to extend its influence anywhere on the face of the planet, and any nation that objects to America’s influence should be beaten into submission, is that right? And on top of that everyone is supposed to understand we’re good guys, just there to protect them from anyone that might want to impose its will on them, we’re just looking out for their best interest because we always know best. Yeah, that’s a great way to exert influence.

Russia can have as much influence as their neighbors, EU and NATO voluntarily allow.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Russia can have as much influence as their neighbors, EU and NATO voluntarily allow.

Well, that’s a start, a small concession from the man who regards Russia as a mortal enemy, and has no concern for what happens to his enemies, in fact advocates their death and destruction if he can get away with it without harming himself.

 

[Corndog2021]

Anyone who gets in the bed with the US gov these days is getting in bed with some bad company. I'm sure it's been this way for years but for some reason - they've exposed themselves at the most or one of the most corrupt governments on
The planet

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

“You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.” - Ronald Reagan​

I believe in Pax Americana and American exceptionalism. I do not believe in nation building. I believe in BLUNT foreign policy. You tell the adversary how its going to be and you back it up with force.

For example, and this has been my position since the mid to late 90s, I would have went to India and courted them instead of China. I would have recreated SEATO and got India on board the last time they had a flare up with China. I would have secretly got Taiwan under the SEATO umbrella and then announced to the world their membership. Mind you this was while China was still very weak. I would reiterate a one China policy is still the policy. But policy would be that reunification would only occur once the mainland democratizes with a western style democratic republic. You don't leave wiggle room and the CCP knows they cant have Taiwan without war or reform.

They whined about containment under Clinton LOL and we just mealy mouthed their concerns.

This is the Reaganite in me. I would of said " of course we are working on containing you. You are communist and evil. Heck if you want to bring millions to the USoA and live a lavish lifestyle here we will let you if it means giving up power and letting your people govern themselves."

You see I would be all about letting dictators live here in exile, rich, fat and happy in furtherance of republicanism and PEACE.

 

[Ponca Dan]

“You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.” - Ronald Reagan​

I believe in Pax Americana and American exceptionalism. I do not believe in nation building. I believe in BLUNT foreign policy. You tell the adversary how its going to be and you back it up with force.

For example, and this has been my position since the mid to late 90s, I would have went to India and courted them instead of China. I would have recreated SEATO and got India on board the last time they had a flare up with China. I would have secretly got Taiwan under the SEATO umbrella and then announced to the world their membership. Mind you this was while China was still very weak. I would reiterate a one China policy is still the policy. But policy would be that reunification would only occur once the mainland democratizes with a western style democratic republic. You don't leave wiggle room and the CCP knows they cant have Taiwan without war or reform.

They whined about containment under Clinton LOL and we just mealy mouthed their concerns.

This is the Reaganite in me. I would of said " of course we are working on containing you. You are communist and evil. Heck if you want to bring millions to the USoA and live a lavish lifestyle here we will let you if it means giving up power and letting your people govern themselves."

You see I would be all about letting dictators live here in exile, rich, fat and happy in furtherance of republicanism and PEACE.

I have doubts that the blunt foreign policy for which you advocate would bring about the PEACE you want to cultivate. Probably a better policy would be for the US government to quit meddling in other countries’ affairs and quit seeing adversaries under every rock. It is preposterous to think the US doesn’t have a blunt foreign policy today. How much war or threats of war will our foreign policy leadership have to put us through before you say “now we have a blunt foreign policy?”

 

[Scottsdale.Sooner]

“You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.” - Ronald Reagan​

I believe in Pax Americana and American exceptionalism. I do not believe in nation building. I believe in BLUNT foreign policy. You tell the adversary how its going to be and you back it up with force.

For example, and this has been my position since the mid to late 90s, I would have went to India and courted them instead of China. I would have recreated SEATO and got India on board the last time they had a flare up with China. I would have secretly got Taiwan under the SEATO umbrella and then announced to the world their membership. Mind you this was while China was still very weak. I would reiterate a one China policy is still the policy. But policy would be that reunification would only occur once the mainland democratizes with a western style democratic republic. You don't leave wiggle room and the CCP knows they cant have Taiwan without war or reform.

They whined about containment under Clinton LOL and we just mealy mouthed their concerns.

This is the Reaganite in me. I would of said " of course we are working on containing you. You are communist and evil. Heck if you want to bring millions to the USoA and live a lavish lifestyle here we will let you if it means giving up power and letting your people govern themselves."

You see I would be all about letting dictators live here in exile, rich, fat and happy in furtherance of republicanism and PEACE.

How many times have you been to India? What makes you think the USA could "nurse" India into making a deal?