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Leaving what 90K troops?

I guess with Biden in the White House that's as good as we should expect, I just wonder what Biden gave up?
 
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Leaving what 90K troops?

I guess with Biden in the White House that's as good as we should expect, I just wonder what Biden gave up?
He probably delayed economic sanctions, just like any other president would do…regardless of party.

You acting like “Brandon” hasn’t utilized the same playbook as R and Ds before is odd.
 
Nord Stream 2 says hello
Per this article thanks to US aggression pushing China into Russia’s waiting arms Nord Stream 2 has lost its leverage.

 
Insert Glenn Greenwald quotes pointing out how Brandon is everything the Russians could hope for in a President.
 
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Also a good read if you’re interested in what’s happening in the region.
I’ll read your link. I respectfully ask that you watch this video.


 
I’ll read your link. I respectfully ask that you watch this video.


How about the Readers Digest version? I'm not a big video person to begin with but then make it 51 minutes and I won't watch it.
 
This is great news.

Looks like Cank and her deep state overlords aren’t getting their false flag war with Russia they desperately wanted. Great for the United States and the free world but not how they wanted it to go down.

Also looks like the Pedo in Chief has been instructed by the same goons to pull back on their Covid tyranny. Great for the country but not how they wanted it to go down.

Pretty soon more and more blue states will join the 27 open red states and get the economy back to where it needs to be. Great for the country but not how the goons in the deep state wanted it to go down.

The evil bastards are in retreat. They don’t like being in retreat.

Look for horrendous false flags sometime during the first quarter of 2022.

Orchestrated mass shootings, power grids compromised, massive internet collapse.

Global elites are on record stating how they want to usher in a worldwide mass reset. For now at least it’s getting jammed up their asses.
 
How about the Readers Digest version? I'm not a big video person to begin with but then make it 51 minutes and I won't watch it.
It’s difficult to boil down 32 years of history in less than 51 minutes. Essentially the US guaranteed it would not expand its (NATO’s) military force “one inch eastward” if Russia would agree to allow East Germany to join West Germany. Before the ink was dry on the agreement the US began infringing and creeping closer and closer to the Russian border, installing military bases. The US has been the aggressor from the beginning while manipulating the American public with propaganda that Russia is seeking global domination and must be stopped “there” in order to keep it from attacking the US. I would posit that the article provided by @On Tulsa Time is a prime example of the propagandistic manipulation being force fed Americans by the “security state” wing of our government. The link he provided comes nowhere near explaining what’s really happening. Since you don’t want to watch the podcast I’ll assume you think the discussion is “Russian/left wing propaganda.” You would be surprised at how hostile is their criticism of the Democrats and progressives and the kudos they give to Donald Trump for at least saying he wanted a diplomatic resolution with Russia.
 
PD claims he is conservative and I will not claim he is not. However he is a Russian apologist. I am fine with that but if its not obvious to everyone I feel that I must point it out.

Putin is a bad guy who sadly is to the right of our leftists pols here in the USoA. He is our enemy who just happens to have a lot of correct policies. Like saying a name is a man and a woman is a woman and has it right on LGBTQwerty policy.

He seems culturally conservative but he is a tyrannical thug nonetheless.

I can see how some on the right might like him. And some never got over the cold war mentality that the USSR/Russia was our military equal. The were not then and definitely are not now.

Can they blow us back to the stone age? Yes but they would also be destroyed. Conventionally they are still a backwater.

China has the people and the money to become a real peer and are fast catching up.

We the west/NATO and the rest of SE/Asia need to work to contain both and wait them out.

Waiting them out will probably be decades if ever in out lifetime.
 
PD claims he is conservative and I will not claim he is not. However he is a Russian apologist. I am fine with that but if its not obvious to everyone I feel that I must point it out.

Putin is a bad guy who sadly is to the right of our leftists pols here in the USoA. He is our enemy who just happens to have a lot of correct policies. Like saying a name is a man and a woman is a woman and has it right on LGBTQwerty policy.

He seems culturally conservative but he is a tyrannical thug nonetheless.

I can see how some on the right might like him. And some never got over the cold war mentality that the USSR/Russia was our military equal. The were not then and definitely are not now.

Can they blow us back to the stone age? Yes but they would also be destroyed. Conventionally they are still a backwater.

China has the people and the money to become a real peer and are fast catching up.

We the west/NATO and the rest of SE/Asia need to work to contain both and wait them out.

Waiting them out will probably be decades if ever in out lifetime.
For the record I do not now, nor have I ever claimed to be a conservative. I am a libertarian of anarchist persuasion in the mold of Albert J. Nock and Murray Rothbard. As such I regard the actions of any government official or agency with deep suspicion. And the last thing someone can say about me is I am a Russian apologist. Your comment is nothing more than an attempt to assassinate my character so you won’t have to engage in any criticism of American foreign policy, adventurism or empire building. It would appear you have a very naive notion that anything our government does is for good and anyone our government labels as an enemy is evil. I wonder if you have ever read a conflicting viewpoint. Of all the people on this board it is my opinion you would be the one best served by listening to the podcast. Assuming, of course, you would actually listen to what is being said.
 
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For the record I do not now, nor have I ever claimed to be a conservative. I am a libertarian of anarchist persuasion in the mold of Albert J. Nock and Murray Rothbard. As such I regard the actions of any government official or agency with deep suspicion. And the last thing someone can say about me is I am a Russian apologist. Your comment is nothing more than an attempt to assassinate my character so you won’t have to engage in any criticism of American foreign policy, adventurism or empire building. It would appear you have a very naive notion that anything our government does is for good and anyone our government labels as an enemy is evil. I wonder if you have ever read a conflicting viewpoint. Of all the people on this board it is my opinion you would be the one best served by listening to the podcast. Assuming, of course, you would actually listen to what is being said.
Ok you are libertarian.

I am not assassinating your character or attempting to.

I oppose leftist, bureaucrats, the administrative state, big government, and do not trust the domestic policies of the district of corruption.

I have however followed geopolitics since I was 9 years old. USoA mostly gets it right. I am a Reaganite. Zer0 was a failure and W listened to the neocons way too much. We see Biden is another zero/carter clone. Clinton was a sell out and meddled in kosovo advocating for the wrong side. W was too critical of Russias chechnya policies. As we can not truly know about the Uyghurs in China and I have not heard any account of real terrorism there I must side with Biden on the sanctions. The Iran agreement is not a treaty. They can not be trusted. They are evil! In fact it was Iran that got me into geopolitics at such an early age. Its called the Iranian revolution and the Iran hostage crisis.

As for treaty stuff that was with the USSR. Where are they?

Pax Americana has kept the world at relative peace since WW2.

Putin and Xi are thugs. Period.

I have advocated for the rebirth of SEATO with the addition of India and the exclusion of Pakistan. Why? China! I have been calling for this for over 2 decades. Before that since at least 1994 I have called out our policy in China and clearly saw them as the problem they would be today. I opposed MFN status. I advocated Taiwan independence and admission into the reborn SEATO back when China could not get a fishing boat across the strait for an invasion. I also said in 1994 that terrorism would be a major issue for the USoA in the future.

I have been right on both!

Before 911 I wrote my Senator about OBL and the need to deal with him.

Oh and we should be dealing with the thug in Venezuela also.

I will leave with this. Yesterday was the day, tomorrow is still viable but there will be a day when Putin and Xi will not able to be contained and they will be a menace upon the whole world.

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” - Churchill
 
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Ok you are libertarian.

I am not assassinating your character or attempting to.

I oppose leftist, bureaucrats, the administrative state, big government, and do not trust the domestic policies of the district of corruption.

I have however followed geopolitics since I was 9 years old. USoA mostly gets it right. I am a Reaganite. Zer0 was a failure and W listened to the neocons way too much. We see Biden is another zero/carter clone. Clinton was a sell out and meddled in kosovo advocating for the wrong side. W was too critical of Russias chechnya policies. As we can not truly know about the Uyghurs in China and I have not heard any account of real terrorism there I must side with Biden on the sanctions. The Iran agreement is not a treaty. They can not be trusted. They are evil! In fact it was Iran that got me into geopolitics at such an early age. Its called the Iranian revolution and the Iran hostage crisis.

As for treaty stuff that was with the USSR. Where are they?

Pax Americana has kept the world at relative peace since WW2.

Putin and Xi are thugs. Period.

I have advocated for the rebirth of SEATO with the addition of India and the exclusion of Pakistan. Why? China! I have been calling for this for over 2 decades. Before that since at least 1994 I have called out our policy in China and clearly saw them as the problem they would be today. I opposed MFN status. I advocated Taiwan independence and admission into the reborn SEATO back when China could not get a fishing boat across the strait for an invasion. I also said in 1994 that terrorism would be a major issue for the USoA in the future.

I have been right on both!

Before 911 I wrote my Senator about OBL and the need to deal with him.

Oh and we should be dealing with the thug in Venezuela also.

I will leave with this. Yesterday was the day, tomorrow is still viable but there will be a day when Putin and Xi will not able to be contained and they will be a menace upon the whole world.

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” - Churchill

That’s a lot of words while barely mentioning the topic at hand.

You said you are against “big government” yet with every utterance you made you advocated for a military/security state that is only possible by an empire, and empires are the exact opposite of small government.

You say Pax Americana has kept the world in relative peace while you ignore the millions - MILLIONS - of people that have been slaughtered by America’s military might since WW2.

You offer up a list of “thugs - period!” while refusing to believe any American leader has fallen onto that category.

You say you have studied geopolitics since you were nine as if that represents significance. It is painfully obvious your studies have been completely one-sided, deftly avoiding any opinion that may contradict the one you apparently settled on at a very early age.

No “leader” should hold that position without being able to see the situation from his opponent’s perspective. Nothing in American foreign policy suggests we have such “leadership” today, nor for the last four to six decades. That is especially true of our attitude toward Russia, and now China. Our leaders appear to be perplexed why those countries don’t bow to our might and kiss our ring. Everybody else does, why won’t they?! The only “solution” our leaders seem to think to apply is to turn up the heat, apply more economic and military pressure, forcibly bend them to their will.

All the while telling Americans the threat of war is the only thing those thuggish savages will understand. But we are not to worry, they will keep the battlefields away from our shores.

There is a perspective that offers a different solution to wars or threats of war. I have doubts you know that perspective exists. It is discussed front and center in the podcast I linked. As someone who has studied geopolitics the majority of his life, and the entirety of his adulthood I would think you would be interested.
 
It’s difficult to boil down 32 years of history in less than 51 minutes. Essentially the US guaranteed it would not expand its (NATO’s) military force “one inch eastward” if Russia would agree to allow East Germany to join West Germany. Before the ink was dry on the agreement the US began infringing and creeping closer and closer to the Russian border, installing military bases. The US has been the aggressor from the beginning while manipulating the American public with propaganda that Russia is seeking global domination and must be stopped “there” in order to keep it from attacking the US. I would posit that the article provided by @On Tulsa Time is a prime example of the propagandistic manipulation being force fed Americans by the “security state” wing of our government. The link he provided comes nowhere near explaining what’s really happening. Since you don’t want to watch the podcast I’ll assume you think the discussion is “Russian/left wing propaganda.” You would be surprised at how hostile is their criticism of the Democrats and progressives and the kudos they give to Donald Trump for at least saying he wanted a diplomatic resolution with Russia.
You’re assumption makes you look like an idiot.
 
Ok you are libertarian.

I am not assassinating your character or attempting to.

I oppose leftist, bureaucrats, the administrative state, big government, and do not trust the domestic policies of the district of corruption.

I have however followed geopolitics since I was 9 years old. USoA mostly gets it right. I am a Reaganite. Zer0 was a failure and W listened to the neocons way too much. We see Biden is another zero/carter clone. Clinton was a sell out and meddled in kosovo advocating for the wrong side. W was too critical of Russias chechnya policies. As we can not truly know about the Uyghurs in China and I have not heard any account of real terrorism there I must side with Biden on the sanctions. The Iran agreement is not a treaty. They can not be trusted. They are evil! In fact it was Iran that got me into geopolitics at such an early age. Its called the Iranian revolution and the Iran hostage crisis.

As for treaty stuff that was with the USSR. Where are they?

Pax Americana has kept the world at relative peace since WW2.

Putin and Xi are thugs. Period.

I have advocated for the rebirth of SEATO with the addition of India and the exclusion of Pakistan. Why? China! I have been calling for this for over 2 decades. Before that since at least 1994 I have called out our policy in China and clearly saw them as the problem they would be today. I opposed MFN status. I advocated Taiwan independence and admission into the reborn SEATO back when China could not get a fishing boat across the strait for an invasion. I also said in 1994 that terrorism would be a major issue for the USoA in the future.

I have been right on both!

Before 911 I wrote my Senator about OBL and the need to deal with him.

Oh and we should be dealing with the thug in Venezuela also.

I will leave with this. Yesterday was the day, tomorrow is still viable but there will be a day when Putin and Xi will not able to be contained and they will be a menace upon the whole world.

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” - Churchill


For the sake of argument let’s discuss a hypothetical situation. We’ll agree right up front this will never happen. That’s why it’s hypothetical.

Let’s say that 30 years ago or so the US had a serious falling out with Canada. Serious falling out, ambassadors called home, the whole 9 yards. Tensions were raised such that military conflict was not out of the question.

Canada, with a much smaller population and a gigantic mismatch in military capability, knowing it could not survive if hostilities ensued, appealed to a Russia/China alliance to join their organization, seeking protection under its umbrella.

Most Canadians are fully on board with the alliance, the French provinces in the east the only discontents.

So the Russia/China alliance is consummated and immediately military installations begin going up along the US/Canadian border, beginning in the west, with offensive hypersonic, possibly nuclear armed, missiles put in hardened silos, potentially targeting NORAD, listening stations in Alaska and other western targets.

This happens over a 30 year span, a slow trickle of Russia/China expansion everywhere but the east. But now the alliance exercises a coup in the east and installs its own puppet government and announces it will begin building missile installations in Toronto. (I chose Toronto because it is roughly the same distance from Washington DC that Kiev is from Moscow.)

DC raises hell and the alliance tells DC to pound sand, they don’t give a rat’s ass what DC thinks about the provocation.

The hypothetical situation is roughly a mirror image of the real situation in Ukraine. You expect Russia to shut up and accept the clear danger to their sovereignty in Ukraine. Do you tell the American government the same thing in our hypothetical?

And please don’t try to nitpick. You know perfectly well this hypothetical is a feeble attempt to put DC under the same intense pressure that Russia is facing in real
Iife.
 
For the sake of argument let’s discuss a hypothetical situation. We’ll agree right up front this will never happen. That’s why it’s hypothetical.

Let’s say that 30 years ago or so the US had a serious falling out with Canada. Serious falling out, ambassadors called home, the whole 9 yards. Tensions were raised such that military conflict was not out of the question.

Canada, with a much smaller population and a gigantic mismatch in military capability, knowing it could not survive if hostilities ensued, appealed to a Russia/China alliance to join their organization, seeking protection under its umbrella.

Most Canadians are fully on board with the alliance, the French provinces in the east the only discontents.

So the Russia/China alliance is consummated and immediately military installations begin going up along the US/Canadian border, beginning in the west, with offensive hypersonic, possibly nuclear armed, missiles put in hardened silos, potentially targeting NORAD, listening stations in Alaska and other western targets.

This happens over a 30 year span, a slow trickle of Russia/China expansion everywhere but the east. But now the alliance exercises a coup in the east and installs its own puppet government and announces it will begin building missile installations in Toronto. (I chose Toronto because it is roughly the same distance from Washington DC that Kiev is from Moscow.)

DC raises hell and the alliance tells DC to pound sand, they don’t give a rat’s ass what DC thinks about the provocation.

The hypothetical situation is roughly a mirror image of the real situation in Ukraine. You expect Russia to shut up and accept the clear danger to their sovereignty in Ukraine. Do you tell the American government the same thing in our hypothetical?

And please don’t try to nitpick. You know perfectly well this hypothetical is a feeble attempt to put DC under the same intense pressure that Russia is facing in real
Iife.
This is fruitless because you keep trying to draw equivalencies. I reject that and that is the basis of your arguments.

If Putin is smart he knows the nature of NATO and knows it does not intend now or ever to invade Russia as long as it plays nice with its neighbors and doesn't invade them first.


The rollback strategy is needed again.
"Their society is economically weak, and it lacks the wealth, education, and technology to enter the information age. They have thrown everything into military production, and their society is starting to show terrible stress as a result. They can't sustain military production the way we can. Eventually it will break them, and then there will be just one superpower in a safe world ...."

And then there are generational conflicts.
"We're always going to have to be involved [in the Middle East]. Maybe it's part of our national character, you know we like to have these problems nice and neatly wrapped up, put a ribbon around it. You deploy a force, you win the war and the problem goes away. But it doesn't work that way in the Middle East. It never has, and isn't likely to in my lifetime...."


 
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This is fruitless because you keep trying to draw equivalencies. I reject that and that is the basis of your arguments.

If Putin is smart he knows the nature of NATO and knows it does not intend now or ever to invade Russia as long as it plays nice with its neighbors and doesn't invade them first.


The rollback strategy is needed again.
"Their society is economically weak, and it lacks the wealth, education, and technology to enter the information age. They have thrown everything into military production, and their society is starting to show terrible stress as a result. They can't sustain military production the way we can. Eventually it will break them, and then there will be just one superpower in a safe world ...."

And then there are generational conflicts.
"We're always going to have to be involved [in the Middle East]. Maybe it's part of our national character, you know we like to have these problems nice and neatly wrapped up, put a ribbon around it. You deploy a force, you win the war and the problem goes away. But it doesn't work that way in the Middle East. It never has, and isn't likely to in my lifetime...."




That’s okay I understand your reluctance to consider the hypothetical. I kinda put you on the spot, asking you to consider how the Russians would naturally consider NATO expansion with military bases and missiles less than 500 miles away from its Capitol as a threat. If I were in your shoes I’d avoid considering it, too.

I read with interest the first link you provided, the one from Heritage by another mouthpiece for the security state. It was interesting, and there were things he said here and there that I agreed with. But taken as a whole it is really just another propaganda piece that ultimately doesn't say anything specific, just that America needs a grand plan if it's going to hang onto its empire, without explaining what the grand design ought to be. Maybe he would consider that to be a state secret that should not be divulged. About the closest he comes to anything specific is his concern that the security state isn’t given enough money from the taxpayers.

I’ll read and comment on your other links later. Right now I’ve got bowl games to watch!
 
That’s okay I understand your reluctance to consider the hypothetical. I kinda put you on the spot, asking you to consider how the Russians would naturally consider NATO expansion with military bases and missiles less than 500 miles away from its Capitol as a threat. If I were in your shoes I’d avoid considering it, too.

I read with interest the first link you provided, the one from Heritage by another mouthpiece for the security state. It was interesting, and there were things he said here and there that I agreed with. But taken as a whole it is really just another propaganda piece that ultimately doesn't say anything specific, just that America needs a grand plan if it's going to hang onto its empire, without explaining what the grand design ought to be. Maybe he would consider that to be a state secret that should not be divulged. About the closest he comes to anything specific is his concern that the security state isn’t given enough money from the taxpayers.

I’ll read and comment on your other links later. Right now I’ve got bowl games to watch!
Because I said I would I have now read your second link, the one from The American Spectator, and here are my thoughts. Because Mr. Murchison and his fellow travelers within the security state apparatus have determined the US is indispensable as the only entity in the world that can hold back the thuggish evil malefactors who intend to conquer all humanity as part of their satanic vision, it is therefore necessary to embrace its destiny and conquer all humanity on behalf of goodness, which they represent.

It’s amazing how when you have that world view you see evil lurking everywhere you look, and how easily you can convince yourself that the “little evils” must be harshly dealt with before they are allowed to grow into something worse. In a sense the whole world becomes your playground as you swashbuckle from one catastrophe to another, and then look with bewilderment when the people you have swooped in to save seem resentful.

That world view also permits you to lie with impunity as Murchison does by repeating the lie that Assad gassed his own people in Syria even after it has been indisputably proven it was the American backed forces that did the gassing.

While those on the right are 100% correct when they point out that left wing welfare statists/socialists/progressives have replaced the notion of Christian charity with their own version of government enforced secular charity, they (you) seem particularly myopic when it is pointed out that the right wing employs the same big government/statist secular religion on an earthly scale by forcing Americans to adhere to your notion of doing the right thing.
 
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Because I said I would I have now read your second link, the one from The American Spectator, and here are my thoughts. Because Mr. Murchison and his fellow travelers within the security state apparatus have determined the US is indispensable as the only entity in the world that can hold back the thuggish evil malefactors who intend to conquer all humanity as part of their satanic vision, it is therefore necessary to embrace its destiny and conquer all humanity on behalf of goodness, which they represent.

It’s amazing how when you have that world view you see evil lurking everywhere you look, and how easily you can convince yourself that the “little evils” must be harshly dealt with before they are allowed to grow into something worse. In a sense the whole world becomes your playground as you swashbuckle from one catastrophe to another, and then look with bewilderment when the people you have swooped in to save seem resentful.

That world view also permits you to lie with impunity as Murchison does by repeating the lie that Assad gassed his own people in Syria even after it has been indisputably proven it was the American backed forces that did the gassing.

While those on the right are 100% correct when they point out that left wing welfare statists/socialists/progressives have replaced the notion of Christian charity with their own version of government enforced secular charity, they (you) seem particularly myopic when it is pointed out that the right wing employs the same big government/statist secular religion on an earthly scale by forcing Americans to adhere to your notion of doing the right thing.
And now I’ve read your third link, the article by Cameron Taylor, and there is a great deal he says that I thought was good, although IMO he went a little overboard on the cheerleading, and ignored some of the low lights (for example the internment of Japanese-American citizens, and the generally accepted notion that Roosevelt knew the Pearl Harbor attack was coming ahead of time and wanted to use the deaths of those soldiers as a reason to get the US in the war). But I digress. Taylor’s article conveniently stops at the point the security state began ramping up. So essentially what I said in my last reply can be repeated here.

There. I’ve now fulfilled my promise to read your links and comment on them.
 
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