Just released memo: Sex questions for Clinton asked by Kavanaugh

[CowboyUp]

...rough stuff

He was “strongly opposed to giving the president any ‘break’ in the questioning regarding the details of the Lewinsky relationship”, he wrote, unless Clinton “resigns” or “confesses perjury”.

He then suggested a list of questions. One was: “If Monica Lewinsky says that you inserted a cigar into her vagina while you were in the Oval Office area, would she be lying?”

Another: “If Monica Lewinsky says that you ejaculated in her mouth on two occasions in the Oval Office area, would she be lying?”

Kavanaugh also suggested asking Clinton “if Monica Lewinsky says that on several occasions in the Oval Office area, you used your fingers to stimulate her vagina and bring her to orgasm, would she be lying?” and “If Monica Lewinsky says that you masturbated into a trashcan in your secretary’s office, would she be lying?”

Kavanaugh urged that it was the function of the independent counsel to “make [Clinton’s] pattern of revolting behavior clear”. “The idea of going easy on him at the questioning is thus abhorrent to me.”

 

[wyomingosualum]

If the witnesses you said were at the party said they don’t know WTF you’re talking about, would they be lying?

 

[my_2cents]

If the witnesses you said were at the party said they don’t know WTF you’re talking about, would they be lying?

No, however a witness may really have no reason to remember that night as Ford does if she was sexually assaulted. I don't remember details of every party I went to in high school or college. Do you? However, and this is key, if a female was assaulted at one of those parties, she clearly would have reason to remember it.

It is interesting that Leland Keyser believes what Ford is saying though.

Look, none of us know the truth here. That is why we need to hear testimony from both under oath. I also think Mark Judge should be subpoenaed and questioned under oath.

 

[ctrawick]

No, however a witness may really have no reason to remember that night as Ford does if she was sexually assaulted. I don't remember details of every party I went to in high school or college. Do you? However, and this is key, if a female was assaulted at one of those parties, she clearly would have reason to remember it.

It is interesting that Leland Keyser believes what Ford is saying though.

Look, none of us know the truth here. That is why we need to hear testimony from both under oath. I also think Mark Judge should be subpoenaed and questioned under oath.

Have you ever been in fear for your life? Ever thought someone was going to kill you and run out of a room into another room full of your friends? Would say to your friend that drove you there "I have to go, someone/he just tried to kill me" or "I thought he was going to kill me".

 

[my_2cents]

Have you ever been in fear for your life? Ever thought someone was going to kill you and run out of a room into another room full of your friends? Would say to your friend that drove you there "I have to go, someone/he just tried to kill me" or "I thought he was going to kill me".

As a man, I have no idea how I would react if I was a 15 year old female and had just been sexually assaulted. And neither do you, since you are a man too. That is part of the problem btw. Men who think they know what they would do seeking to discredit women using such assumptions. Humility is definitely needed on our part regarding these incidents.

Again, I don't know who is telling the truth. And neither do you or anyone else on this board. This is where restraint is called for and that applies to both political sides. Let's hear the testimony.

 

[Medic007]

It was so thoughtful of Feinstein to squat on this allegation for 6 weeks. Nothing says "I care about victims of sexual assault" like holding a victim's allegation to use as a political weapon.

One has to wonder if Ford would have ever been heard if the hearings had gone poorly and it looked like Kavanaugh would not be confirmed.

Everyone should be disgusted with Feinstein, especially Ford.

 

[Pokeabear]

 

[wyomingosualum]

No, however a witness may really have no reason to remember that night as Ford does if she was sexually assaulted. I don't remember details of every party I went to in high school or college. Do you? However, and this is key, if a female was assaulted at one of those parties, she clearly would have reason to remember it.

It is interesting that Leland Keyser believes what Ford is saying though.

Look, none of us know the truth here. That is why we need to hear testimony from both under oath. I also think Mark Judge should be subpoenaed and questioned under oath.

The honest answer to my question for us outsiders is “We don’t know”.

Leland Keyser can’t remember anything and doesn’t know Kavanaugh but believes Ford? Maybe I’m missing something, but OK.

 

[my_2cents]

Leland Keyser can’t remember anything and doesn’t know Kavanaugh but believes Ford? Maybe I’m missing something, but OK.

Yes, it speaks to Ford's character for truthfulness and trustworthiness.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Yes, it speaks to Ford's character for truthfulness and trustworthiness.

So you will give equal weight to Kavanaugh’s character witnesses as well, right?

 

[Pokeabear]

So you will give equal weight to Kavanaugh’s character witnesses as well, right?

Like Mark Judge?

 

[wyomingosualum]

Like Mark Judge?

Like Leland who never knew Kavanaugh?

 

[my_2cents]

So you will give equal weight to Kavanaugh’s character witnesses as well, right?

Yes.

Again, I haven't drawn a conclusion regarding who is telling the truth here. While I don't support the Kavanaugh nomination, I think when it comes to this allegation, we need to lay partisanism aside. Unfortunately, many can't do that.

 

[my_2cents]

Like Mark Judge?

Like I posted above, Judge needs to be subpoenaed and placed under oath. He has no problem speaking publicly and even writing a book, so he shouldn't have any problem testifying under oath as well.

 

[Pokeabear]

Like I posted above, Judge needs to be subpoenaed and placed under oath. He has no problem speaking publicly and even writing a book, so he shouldn't have any problem testifying under oath as well.

Bingo

 

[Pokeabear]

Like Leland who never knew Kavanaugh?

Like the second accused man in the room, Mark Judge? That guys character?

 

[wyomingosualum]

Like the second accused man in the room, Mark Judge? That guys character?

Is there a difference in your mind between a suspect or a witness and a character reference? Because that’s what we were talking about.

Meanwhile...MARK JUDGE !!!!!!!

I remain open to the possibility that this actually happened. Do you think it’s possible that it didn’t?

 

[Pokeabear]

Is there a difference in your mind between a suspect or a witness and a character reference? Because that’s what we were talking about.

Meanwhile...MARK JUDGE !!!!!!!

I remain open to the possibility that this actually happened. Do you think it’s possible that it didn’t?

Possible? Of course, especially when it was just an anonymous accuser days before a hearing to proceed to confirmation. After having read and conducted a little cursory research of my own of those that were said to be involved in the incident in question, I have begun to build an opinion but will wait until the testimony is given or the nomination is withdrawn, to come to any conclusion.

 

[AC_Exotic]

It was so thoughtful of Feinstein to squat on this allegation for 6 weeks. Nothing says "I care about victims of sexual assault" like holding a victim's allegation to use as a political weapon.

One has to wonder if Ford would have ever been heard if the hearings had gone poorly and it looked like Kavanaugh would not be confirmed.

Everyone should be disgusted with Feinstein, especially Ford.

This is the rub in the whole sordid melodrama that is being played out.

 

[my_2cents]

It was so thoughtful of Feinstein to squat on this allegation for 6 weeks. Nothing says "I care about victims of sexual assault" like holding a victim's allegation to use as a political weapon.

One has to wonder if Ford would have ever been heard if the hearings had gone poorly and it looked like Kavanaugh would not be confirmed.

Everyone should be disgusted with Feinstein, especially Ford.

One could argue that Feinstein's decision actually benefited Ford and the victims of sexual assault. Look at where the sole focus is now.

I have mixed feelings on how Feinstein handled this, so I am not going to argue the point. Feinstein was placed in a difficult political position and I am not going to second guess what she did.

 

[wyomingosualum]

...and I am not going to second guess what she did.

I will. She’s an idiot. She could have raked him hard when questioning him with no preparation on his part in a setting where he would have to answer. But she didn’t. And she had several weeks to think this over.

Now why wouldn’t she jump on the opportunity?

 

[my_2cents]

Now why wouldn’t she jump on the opportunity?

Because she didn't know if the accusation by Ford was true.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Because she didn't know if the accusation by Ford was true.

Isn’t that the prime reason to ask?

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Because she didn't know if the accusation by Ford was true.

But she does now after all of the witnesses denied it happened?

 

[my_2cents]

But she does now after all of the witnesses denied it happened?

There was only one witness in the room, according to Ford, and he has a motive to lie. A good lawyer like yourself has to recognize that. Let's put him under oath and see what he says though. You agree?

Another witness doesn't remember the party (not surprisingly and not a denial that the assault happened), yet believes what Ford is saying. You fail to mention that second part.

And now a second woman has come forward...

Time for a full investigation, wouldn't you say?

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

There was only one witness in the room, according to Ford, and he has a motive to lie. A good lawyer like yourself has to recognize that. Let's put him under oath and see what he says though. You agree?

Another witness doesn't remember the party (not surprisingly and not a denial that the assault happened), yet believes what Ford is saying. You fail to mention that second part.

And now a second woman has come forward...

Time for a full investigation, wouldn't you say?

I want them all to be under oath with their testimony.

What I don’t want is a precedent set for either side to have the power to stop nominations based on unprovable allegations that have been summarily shot down by witnesses. She literally has zero witnesses that will corroborate her story.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

I want them all to be under oath with their testimony.

What I don’t want is a precedent set for either side to have the power to stop nominations based on unprovable allegations that have been summarily shot down by witnesses. She literally has zero witnesses that will corroborate her story.

And same for the second girl. And Avenatti’s third girl. No corroboration. Zero.

And furthermore, do you think conservatives would support a SCOTUS nominee if we felt he was a serial rapist?

 

[my_2cents]

I want them all to be under oath with their testimony.

I fully agree. I also think the committee should break and allow the FBI to conduct a full investigation and brief the committee on their findings.

What I don’t want is a precedent set for either side to have the power to stop nominations based on unprovable allegations that have been summarily shot down by witnesses. She literally has zero witnesses that will corroborate her story.

Again, she has one witness who says she believes her but doesn't remember the party and one witness who a motive to not be truthful. That same witness who has a motive to lie also wrote a book that spoke to the excesses that occurred at this prep school, which lends credibility to the accusation.

I understand your concern for the precedent that may be set. I too share that concern. However, there is no harm in a full investigation. There is no need to rush this nomination aside from political reasons.

I would rather set the precedent of a full investigation of a potential life time nominee to the Supreme Court than the alternative. As one who has sworn to uphold the integrity of our legal system, I would hope you would agree

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

I fully agree. I also think the committee should break and allow the FBI to conduct a full investigation and brief the committee on their findings.



Again, she has one witness who says she believes her but doesn't remember the party and one witness who a motive to not be truthful. That same witness who has a motive to lie also wrote a book that spoke to the excesses that occurred at this prep school, which lends credibility to the accusation.

I understand your concern for the precedent that may be set. I too share that concern. However, there is no harm in a full investigation. There is no need to rush this nomination aside from political reasons.

I would rather set the precedent of a full investigation of a potential life time nominee to the Supreme Court than the alternative. As one who has sworn to uphold the integrity of our legal system, I would hope you would agree

Quick question. Do you think the Republicans will hold and/or gain seats in the senate?

Also, I’m not an attorney.

 

[my_2cents]

Do you think the Republicans will hold and/or gain seats in the senate?

I don't know. Too early to say.

I'll let you know my predictions the week leading up to the election.

Also, I’m not an attorney.

Sorry, I thought I remembered you posting on another thread that you were.

 

[Medic007]

I don't know. Too early to say.

I'll let you know my predictions the week leading up to the election.



Sorry, I thought I remembered you posting on another thread that you were.

Thoughts on Keith Ellison?

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

I don't know. Too early to say.

I'll let you know my predictions the week leading up to the election.



Sorry, I thought I remembered you posting on another thread that you were.

I’m not but my son just graduated from law school so there’s that.

 

[my_2cents]

I’m not but my son just graduated from law school so there’s that.

Congratulations! Great accomplishment for him and I am sure you are one proud father.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Congratulations! Great accomplishment for him and I am sure you are one proud father.

I am. He’s set himself up very nicely.