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June 28, 2019 Treaty of Versailles at 100 years

Dan Carlin’s hardcore history podcast has a multiple episode deep dive into WWI that I highly recommend. It takes weeks to listen to but it has great story telling and incredibly detailed analysis.

It opens with the postulation that one misguided domestic terrorist (the ANTIFA of his time) Gavrilo Princip set in motion a series of events that caused two world wars and virtually all Mid East conflict and modern terrorist since that time.

All by shooting Archduke Ferdinand who inexplicably drove by him twice after Princip failed the first time he passed by.

Kinda mind blowing. But yes, Wilson was hugely instrumental in guaranteeing WW2.
 
The Black Hand was a Serbian Nationalist group with clear demands. Terrorists to be sure, but not very similar to Antifa, who has no clear goals and aren’t looking to unify or become their own nation-state.
 
Wait, the black hand was the fat guy in the white suit extorting fellow Italian (legal) immigrants in Godfather 2
 
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Dan Carlin’s hardcore history podcast has a multiple episode deep dive into WWI that I highly recommend. It takes weeks to listen to but it has great story telling and incredibly detailed analysis.

It opens with the postulation that one misguided domestic terrorist (the ANTIFA of his time) Gavrilo Princip set in motion a series of events that caused two world wars and virtually all Mid East conflict and modern terrorist since that time.

All by shooting Archduke Ferdinand who inexplicably drove by him twice after Princip failed the first time he passed by.

Kinda mind blowing. But yes, Wilson was hugely instrumental in guaranteeing WW2.

Okay Mega, you just got me hooked on a podcast. Had no idea the Archduke drove by him twice.

Who else do you think had such a profound impact on history, at least from a non-religious aspect? Genghis Khan?
 
Dan Carlin’s hardcore history podcast has a multiple episode deep dive into WWI that I highly recommend. It takes weeks to listen to but it has great story telling and incredibly detailed analysis.

It opens with the postulation that one misguided domestic terrorist (the ANTIFA of his time) Gavrilo Princip set in motion a series of events that caused two world wars and virtually all Mid East conflict and modern terrorist since that time.

All by shooting Archduke Ferdinand who inexplicably drove by him twice after Princip failed the first time he passed by.

Kinda mind blowing. But yes, Wilson was hugely instrumental in guaranteeing WW2.

Mega looked online and don't see anything from his past podcasts....where would one start looking for those episodes?
 
They already have their own nation state. It's Portland, Oregon.

Okay, sure, they all come from antifan stock. Very good. But, the point stands: The Black Hand was not similar to Antifa.
 
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Okay Mega, you just got me hooked on a podcast. Had no idea the Archduke drove by him twice.

Who else do you think had such a profound impact on history, at least from a non-religious aspect? Genghis Khan?

I'm not Mega, but I think Princip is just the guy who set things in motion, even if had there not been a Princip, somebody/something, would have happened that would have led to WW1. Germany backing Austria-Hungary unconditionally really set things into motion, once Russia backed the Serbs. If Russia and Germany had stayed out of it, it would have stayed another localized conflict not unlike the Balkan Wars that immediately preceded WW1. But, of course Russia was going to back the Serbs no matter what, and of course Germany was going to support Austria-Hungary no matter what.

I think Genghis Khan and his successors certainly had a major impact on the East and Eastern Europe as they organized proto-modern states in reaction to the various Khans. Otto von Bismarck is way up there as far as modern impact. Napoleon, of course.
 
This seems like a good point to mention that if you’ve never been, the National WWI Museum in Kansas City is worth a visit. Very informative about a war that all of us “know” about but maybe just in the “it set the stage for WWII” sense.

The film they show when you first arrive to orient you to the state of Europe and the world prior to the start of the war is interesting in that there’s a lot of parallels to 2019 - a world power unsure of itself (UK then, US now) in a multipolar world, a rising power determined to become a great power (Germany then, China now), chaos in Russia, a sea change in the world economy (the Industrial Revolution then, the Digital Age now), etc.
 
This seems like a good point to mention that if you’ve never been, the National WWI Museum in Kansas City is worth a visit. Very informative about a war that all of us “know” about but maybe just in the “it set the stage for WWII” sense.

The film they show when you first arrive to orient you to the state of Europe and the world prior to the start of the war is interesting in that there’s a lot of parallels to 2019 - a world power unsure of itself (UK then, US now) in a multipolar world, a rising power determined to become a great power (Germany

then, China now), chaos in Russia, a sea change in the world economy (the Industrial Revolution then, the Digital Age now), etc.

The fascinating thing about WW1 is it was the definitive line between 19th century warfare and 20th century warfare. The French army - the greatest in the world to that point had bright blue uniforms and light cavalry. Britain had a massive navy that was already outdated by the time they got involved. Lines of troops would still advance in Napoleonic formations and of course modern machine guns and artillery would chew them to shreds.

Trench warfare became unbelievably hellish. Just a brutal mentally destructive war with massive casualties. And unlike WW2, it didn’t have the clear cut good vs evil aspect.
 
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