ITT we talk about the disadvantage of inductive reasoning.

[MegaPoke]

@Syskatine does this a lot, and I recently saw @Pokeabear post an NYT article highlighting words (English words) that the El Paso guy used, that (evidently) "conservative" (meaning, anyone they want it to mean) media also used to describe our embarrassing national clusterfvck known as the Mexican border.

Words like "invasion" etc., attempting to draw some kind of corollary between conservative media and an insane mass murderer - all of whom speak the same language and in the context of describing a self-evident human disaster at the border where masses of people from one side of it ___________ (fill in the blank) the country on the other side of it.

If you are pro illegal immigration, you'll use some kind of flowery platitude (emigrate, flee, seek asylum etc.) If you know that the majority of the humans involved are simply economic migrants taking advantage (as we likely would ourselves) of a broken migration system, you use clearer words like "invasion."

The purpose of such articles is of course to suggest that people who use terms like invasion are programming mentally ill people (with of course, no mention of the Dayton guy being programmed by Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders describing Trump as a racist, white nationalist, blah blah blah), but it's also used to imply that just because a hateful psycho uses some of the same words or anecdotally supports some of the same politicians as your run of the mill non leftist, that "conservatives" bear some guilt by association for the El Paso killer, or David Duke, or the ChristChurch guy (but definitely not AOC and the ANTIFA guy who attacked the ICE station) and on and on and on.

Let's look at things rationally... If 99% of humanity exists in the goldilocks zone of relative sanity between nazism and communism, but the only two available political candidates are - an America first fiscal conservative or a proud socialist of some kind, who are the nazis and commies going to vote for relatively speaking? No matter how far a "democratic socialist" may be from a communist thug, the thug will vote for the socialist over the capitalist. The inverse is true of the nazi.

So when the nazi (let's say David Duke) says he votes for Trump, does that mean anything? If an ANTIFA thug votes for Bernie, does that mean Bernie is responsible for him?

Of course not. Any sentient adult knows this. And yet, the leftist religion demands that people "disavow" any distasteful person who vaguely voices some support of a famous politician.

And thus begins todays lesson. Propaganda uses and incomplete data set to arrive at a wildly inaccurate relationship. We see it in politics all the time, but lately the left has taken it to an art form as regards Trump, Trump voters and the random psychos of the world who they can tangentially tie to Trump or Trump voters in general.

If you take this fact:

Nazis want secure borders

And this fact:

Conservatives want secure borders

And arrive at this projection:

Conservatives are nazis

You are a moron. Start over.

Same is true for Trump's relationship to Epstein. It's like if some rando on your friends list turned out to be a cannibal.

And thus ends today's lesson. Do better. Be smarter.

 

[Syskatine]

@Syskatine does this a lot, and I recently saw @Pokeabear post an NYT article highlighting words (English words) that the El Paso guy used, that (evidently) "conservative" (meaning, anyone they want it to mean) media also used to describe our embarrassing national clusterfvck known as the Mexican border.

Words like "invasion" etc., attempting to draw some kind of corollary between conservative media and an insane mass murderer - all of whom speak the same language and in the context of describing a self-evident human disaster at the border where masses of people from one side of it ___________ (fill in the blank) the country on the other side of it.

If you are pro illegal immigration, you'll use some kind of flowery platitude (emigrate, flee, seek asylum etc.) If you know that the majority of the humans involved are simply economic migrants taking advantage (as we likely would ourselves) of a broken migration system, you use clearer words like "invasion."

The purpose of such articles is of course to suggest that people who use terms like invasion are programming mentally ill people (with of course, no mention of the Dayton guy being programmed by Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders describing Trump as a racist, white nationalist, blah blah blah), but it's also used to imply that just because a hateful psycho uses some of the same words or anecdotally supports some of the same politicians as your run of the mill non leftist, that "conservatives" bear some guilt by association for the El Paso killer, or David Duke, or the ChristChurch guy (but definitely not AOC and the ANTIFA guy who attacked the ICE station) and on and on and on.

Let's look at things rationally... If 99% of humanity exists in the goldilocks zone of relative sanity between nazism and communism, but the only two available political candidates are - an America first fiscal conservative or a proud socialist of some kind, who are the nazis and commies going to vote for relatively speaking? No matter how far a "democratic socialist" may be from a communist thug, the thug will vote for the socialist over the capitalist. The inverse is true of the nazi.

So when the nazi (let's say David Duke) says he votes for Trump, does that mean anything? If an ANTIFA thug votes for Bernie, does that mean Bernie is responsible for him?

Of course not. Any sentient adult knows this. And yet, the leftist religion demands that people "disavow" any distasteful person who vaguely voices some support of a famous politician.

And thus begins todays lesson. Propaganda uses and incomplete data set to arrive at a wildly inaccurate relationship. We see it in politics all the time, but lately the left has taken it to an art form as regards Trump, Trump voters and the random psychos of the world who they can tangentially tie to Trump or Trump voters in general.

If you take this fact:

Nazis want secure borders

And this fact:

Conservatives want secure borders

And arrive at this projection:

Conservatives are nazis

You are a moron. Start over.

Same is true for Trump's relationship to Epstein. It's like if some rando on your friends list turned out to be a cannibal.

And thus ends today's lesson. Do better. Be smarter.

Stochastic terrorism is what he did and it's as old as the hills and he's not fooling anybody. It's been GIGO for years with him and you people. I've been calling it for years. Exact same nomenclature, like there's a damn hive you all get marching orders from.

I've called it way back and now the evidence and nomenclature overlays are undeniable. Wackos are motivated by fear and anger and that's what he gives them by the boat load.

 

[MegaPoke]

Stochastic terrorism is what he did and it's as old as the hills and he's not fooling anybody. It's been GIGO for years with him and you people. I've been calling it for years. Exact same nomenclature, like there's a damn hive you all get marching orders from.

I've called it way back and now the evidence and nomenclature overlays are undeniable. Wackos are motivated by fear and anger and that's what he gives them by the boat load.

And here we have classic projection. Anyone watching this movie (except for you two) knows that you both do exactly what you are describing here on a daily basis. In fact, Pokeberry is positive I "stole" the term projection from him even though I've used it literally for years in the same context before his arrival on the shores of our board.

The poor inductive reasoning I described above is also exactly how you personally arrive frequently at the incorrect notion that something I personally have said on this board was learned or programmed from someone else (hive leader I guess).

Here's how it works (for example. Surprisingly you didn't actually do this)...




Fact #1: After watching Mueller's testimony, on this board, I (MegaPoke) referred to the Mueller report as the "Weissman Report." Same day as his testimony.

Fact #2: Over the next several days, multiple media personalities - having observed the same set of facts that I did - concluded that Weissman is the probable author of the report, not Mueller, and began calling it the "Weissman Report."

(Those are timeline facts that you can look up if you wish)

The obvious takeaway would be that multiple people, observing the same history happening all around us could come away with similar observations and opinions. Speaking the same language, they may even use the same words or satirical jokes independently of having heard each other say those words. I mean, Mark Levin didn't steal the term from me and yet he used the exact. same. nomenclature. a day later.

Had I continued to use that term, your unassailable notion would be that I heard Levin, Hannity or whoever say "Weisman Report" and I picked up the "GIGO, exact. same. nomenclature."

If I told you that wasn't the case, you would say, "buullllllllllshit" and then proceed on to whatever your internal confirmation bias playbook tells you to do.

I guess man... what I'm saying is... Maybe you aren't smarter or more insightful than people you disagree politically with. I mean, it's possible that either you are just as programmed as you claim we are, or maybe you aren't programmed and neither are we. Maybe something in between.

 

[MegaPoke]

Even if you are right that Trump's rhetoric is harmful, how do you not call out every single leftist politician who calls Trump and the people who vote for him white nationalists? You don't think that revs up lunatics?

I mean we couldn't have a clearer example in front of us than the two shooters. One is a nazi and one is a commie. One hated Mexicans and one was quasi-antifa and retweeted Warren and Sanders. And yet, you cherry pick the guy who agreed with Trump on borders - along with dozens of millions of Americans.

 

[OKSTATE1]

I applaud your efforts. But your voice and message will not be heard, you are dealing with pure hate. Hate blinds. There is no going back right now for the hate coming out of the Dem party. They have lost plenty of voters for good. It will take a long time to repair the damage. Can you imagine a world now in which you even doubted for a second voting for MAGA?

Not looking at that party again until they apologize for what they are doing to this country, all because they lost an election, the most celebrated act we have to show the smooth transition of those empowered to govern.

They want us all to be slaves, and they want our pocket book.

Trump needs to back off the tariffs prior to the election to kick the market back up, and then go back after them after getting re-elected.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Even if you are right that Trump's rhetoric is harmful, how do you not call out every single leftist politician who calls Trump and the people who vote for him white nationalists? You don't think that revs up lunatics?

I mean we couldn't have a clearer example in front of us than the two shooters. One is a nazi and one is a commie. One hated Mexicans and one was quasi-antifa and retweeted Warren and Sanders. And yet, you cherry pick the guy who agreed with Trump on borders - along with dozens of millions of Americans.

Or the fact the Democrats in Washington and their leftist followers have constantly called Trump a traitor to his country for going on three years. In my mind that excuses anything Trump or anyone else says about leftist.

 

[Pokeabear]

The irony.

 

[SoonerRedYukon101]

 

[MegaPoke]

The irony.

Right?

Exact same nomenclature, like there's a damn hive you all get marching orders from

 

[Pokeabear]

Right?

Correct

 

[MegaPoke]

Correct

 

[Pokeabear]

 

[JimmyBob]

Carry on tam, and get your widdle buddy pon-anon ITT now:

 

[Pokeabear]

Carry on tam, and get your widdle buddy pon-anon ITT now:

 

[Syskatine]

And here we have classic projection. Anyone watching this movie (except for you two) knows that you both do exactly what you are describing here on a daily basis. In fact, Pokeberry is positive I "stole" the term projection from him even though I've used it literally for years in the same context before his arrival on the shores of our board.

The poor inductive reasoning I described above is also exactly how you personally arrive frequently at the incorrect notion that something I personally have said on this board was learned or programmed from someone else (hive leader I guess).

Here's how it works (for example. Surprisingly you didn't actually do this)...




Fact #1: After watching Mueller's testimony, on this board, I (MegaPoke) referred to the Mueller report as the "Weissman Report." Same day as his testimony.

Fact #2: Over the next several days, multiple media personalities - having observed the same set of facts that I did - concluded that Weissman is the probable author of the report, not Mueller, and began calling it the "Weissman Report."

(Those are timeline facts that you can look up if you wish)

The obvious takeaway would be that multiple people, observing the same history happening all around us could come away with similar observations and opinions. Speaking the same language, they may even use the same words or satirical jokes independently of having heard each other say those words. I mean, Mark Levin didn't steal the term from me and yet he used the exact. same. nomenclature. a day later.

Had I continued to use that term, your unassailable notion would be that I heard Levin, Hannity or whoever say "Weisman Report" and I picked up the "GIGO, exact. same. nomenclature."

If I told you that wasn't the case, you would say, "buullllllllllshit" and then proceed on to whatever your internal confirmation bias playbook tells you to do.

I guess man... what I'm saying is... Maybe you aren't smarter or more insightful than people you disagree politically with. I mean, it's possible that either you are just as programmed as you claim we are, or maybe you aren't programmed and neither are we. Maybe something in between.

Good try, that aint it. I'll point it out next time. NPC is one example that didn't just pop up organically from all over. It started with a zitty 14 y.o. incel on 4chan.