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Free Market Friday: The $106K teacher  By: Jonathan Small  April 5, 2018  0

School choice is good for teachers. With so much focus on education policy right now, that’s an important fact. Calculating the pay raise, Oklahoma teachers rank 31st in raw dollars nationally. Economist Byron Schlomach, a scholar-in-residence at the Institute for the Study of Free Enterprise at Oklahoma State University, calculated that, thanks to the new pay raise, Oklahoma’s cost-of living-adjusted teacher pay is now 11th in the nation. State Superintendent Joy Hofmeister noted the pay raise moves us up to 2nd in the region, just behind Texas which has no income tax. That’s good news. But consider this: The highest paid public-school teacher in Oklahoma actually teaches at Epic Charter School. She makes $106,324. This according to Tulsa World reporter Andrea Eger. Because of robust enrollment growth – driven by bullying in the public schools and other factors – Epic is now actively hiring teachers. Average pay is $63,000. Jessica Stogner, who formerly taught in the Broken Arrow school district, told the Tulsa World: “It is the most rigorous hiring process I’ve ever been through. It was nice – it makes you feel kind of elite.” “This is the only place I know of where there is the potential that compensation for teachers could be more than administrators,” she said. “Public school salaries are public, and we all check them. When you look at those numbers – and the huge discrepancies between even building-level administrators and teachers – it’s a little disheartening.” Also, some teachers prefer to work in private schools (even though the compensation is typically lower than in public schools) because they prefer the orderly (and often values-based) school culture. Expanding Oklahoma’s current school voucher and tax credit programs will expand opportunities for teachers. It will also benefit these teachers in their role as parents. A 2016 SoonerPoll survey commissioned by The Oklahoman found that nearly four in 10 Oklahoma teachers say a private school or homeschooling would be the best educational choice for their own children. Fortunately, this new $6,100 pay raise will help – average private school tuition in Oklahoma is $4,588 for elementary schools and $6,243 for high schools, according to Private School Review – but vouchers and tax credits would help even more. The education landscape is changing. (Check out the Oklahoma-based Edupreneur Academy, a great resource for leaders of charter, private, and conversion schools.) More choice and opportunity are good for teachers, too. Jonathan Small serves as president of the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs (www.ocpathink.org).
 
School vouchers and tax credits are education welfare and should be eliminated. Period. If you want to go to private school, you pay for it or mom and dad can get loans.
 
looks like they are grading on a scale/curve!!


Free Market Friday: The $106K teacher  By: Jonathan Small  April 5, 2018  0

School choice is good for teachers. With so much focus on education policy right now, that’s an important fact. Calculating the pay raise, Oklahoma teachers rank 31st in raw dollars nationally. Economist Byron Schlomach, a scholar-in-residence at the Institute for the Study of Free Enterprise at Oklahoma State University, calculated that, thanks to the new pay raise, Oklahoma’s cost-of living-adjusted teacher pay is now 11th in the nation. State Superintendent Joy Hofmeister noted the pay raise moves us up to 2nd in the region, just behind Texas which has no income tax. That’s good news. But consider this: The highest paid public-school teacher in Oklahoma actually teaches at Epic Charter School. She makes $106,324. This according to Tulsa World reporter Andrea Eger. Because of robust enrollment growth – driven by bullying in the public schools and other factors – Epic is now actively hiring teachers. Average pay is $63,000. Jessica Stogner, who formerly taught in the Broken Arrow school district, told the Tulsa World: “It is the most rigorous hiring process I’ve ever been through. It was nice – it makes you feel kind of elite.” “This is the only place I know of where there is the potential that compensation for teachers could be more than administrators,” she said. “Public school salaries are public, and we all check them. When you look at those numbers – and the huge discrepancies between even building-level administrators and teachers – it’s a little disheartening.” Also, some teachers prefer to work in private schools (even though the compensation is typically lower than in public schools) because they prefer the orderly (and often values-based) school culture. Expanding Oklahoma’s current school voucher and tax credit programs will expand opportunities for teachers. It will also benefit these teachers in their role as parents. A 2016 SoonerPoll survey commissioned by The Oklahoman found that nearly four in 10 Oklahoma teachers say a private school or homeschooling would be the best educational choice for their own children. Fortunately, this new $6,100 pay raise will help – average private school tuition in Oklahoma is $4,588 for elementary schools and $6,243 for high schools, according to Private School Review – but vouchers and tax credits would help even more. The education landscape is changing. (Check out the Oklahoma-based Edupreneur Academy, a great resource for leaders of charter, private, and conversion schools.) More choice and opportunity are good for teachers, too. Jonathan Small serves as president of the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs (www.ocpathink.org).
I wonder if the people paying for all of this charter school PR are doing out of the goodness of their heart or if there is another reason
 
School vouchers and tax credits are education welfare and should be eliminated. Period. If you want to go to private school, you pay for it or mom and dad can get loans.
Hmmmm. So now welfare is bad? Or is it just bad if poor people want help sending their kids to better schools? I'm confused by your position here.
 
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Hmmmm. So now welfare is bad? Or is it just bad if poor people want help sending their kids to better schools? I'm confused by your position here.

Well, you keep your head up your ass enough, you assume my politics 24/7.

Welfare reform is an essential part of balancing the budget, federally and statewide. School vouchers are me and you paying for kids to go to private school. Fvck em. If they can’t afford it, that’s their problem. There’s always public school as a choice. Don’t like it? Home school. Oh you can’t do that because you need to work?

Public school.


And don’t try to compare it feeding kids, because you know they’re not comparable.
 
Well, you keep your head up your ass enough, you assume my politics 24/7.

Welfare reform is an essential part of balancing the budget, federally and statewide. School vouchers are me and you paying for kids to go to private school. Fvck em. If they can’t afford it, that’s their problem. There’s always public school as a choice. Don’t like it? Home school. Oh you can’t do that because you need to work?

Public school.


And don’t try to compare it feeding kids, because you know they’re not comparable.

Interesting. Do you take the same stance in regards to medical insurance? Or is education a privilege and healthcare a right?
 
Interesting. Do you take the same stance in regards to medical insurance? Or is education a privilege and healthcare a right?

If you want to go to private school but can’t afford it, public school is always an option.

I believe firmly that healthcare should be a right for every American (right to life), and there are plenty of ways to finance it (substantially-decreased military budget, for starters).
 
I believe firmly that healthcare should be a right for every American.

Healthcare can NEVER be a RIGHT. A right is something innate in you. Healthcare has to be provided to you by someone else.

If you want to have the universal healthcare conversation as a social safety net in America - great, let's have it. But calling it a 'right' is a non-starter. Calling health care a right shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what a right truly is.
 
Healthcare can NEVER be a RIGHT. A right is something innate in you. Healthcare has to be provided to you by someone else.

If you want to have the universal healthcare conversation as a social safety net in America - great, let's have it. But calling it a 'right' is a non-starter. Calling health care a right shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what a right truly is.
I also love semantics.
 
I also love semantics.
I hear you. I'm generally not one to split definitions. However, this is so misused that it is difficult to know where someone stands when they use the term 'right' in this way.

If it really is his contention that health care is a right; then, I'm not even going to engage him. It isn't worth the time to me.
 
If you want to go to private school but can’t afford it, public school is always an option.

I believe firmly that healthcare should be a right for every American (right to life), and there are plenty of ways to finance it (substantially-decreased military budget, for starters).

Thus healthcare is a right, and a good education is a privilege. Interesting perspective.
 
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Under this premise, then sending all the poor to the worst hospital in town should be perfectly acceptable, correct? Hey, they get healthcare. It may be sorry healthcare, but its healthcare none-the-less.

Yes. Sick people will still go to the worst clinic in town if they need it.
 
Pretty simple avenues...

- criminal justice/prison/for-profit reform
- welfare reform
- defense spending decrease
- zero school vouchers
- raise highest tax bracket back up
-legalize/tax marijuana

We’re only talking hundreds of billions, if not trillions here.
 
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Public school is a right.
Incorrect.

If it has to be provided TO you; it isn't a right.

Public education is an entitlement in America. You are entitled to use the public education system; but you don't have a right to a public education.

Tomorrow all of America could say F it and we aren't paying for public school any longer. Totally legal.
 
An individual being able to keep their own money and provide for their family seems pretty crucial to me.

Are you in the top tax bracket? If so, quit bitching, you’re loaded and can do anything you please to “provide for your family”.

That’s why being a middle-class Republican is one of the dumbest positions an American can have, and it’s why I give this board hell. You’re idiot sheeple for buying into the myths.
 
Incorrect.

If it has to be provided TO you; it isn't a right.

Public education is an entitlement in America. You are entitled to use the public education system; but you don't have a right to a public education.

Tomorrow all of America could say F it and we aren't paying for public school any longer. Totally legal.

The likelihood of such doomsday scenario is zero.
 
Well, you keep your head up your ass enough, you assume my politics 24/7.

Welfare reform is an essential part of balancing the budget, federally and statewide. School vouchers are me and you paying for kids to go to private school. Fvck em. If they can’t afford it, that’s their problem. There’s always public school as a choice. Don’t like it? Home school. Oh you can’t do that because you need to work?

Public school.


And don’t try to compare it feeding kids, because you know they’re not comparable.
Hahahahaha!

And there you have it. The only choice for poor people is to attend the local shitty public school. That right there is "progressive" as hell. Let's make sure they have zero opportunity to attend a better school. Let's just keep them on the plantation and voting for the Party.
 
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Hahahahaha!

And there you have it. The only choice for poor people is to attend the local shitty public school. That right there is "progressive" as hell. Let's make sure they have zero opportunity to attend a better school. Let's just keep them on the plantation and voting for the Party.

“private” school...as in “private”, as in for-profit. Yes, pay for it yourself...hell, if they want to give you a scholarship that’s their choice.

Try to keep up with the modern English language we’ve adopted.
 
Are you in the top tax bracket? If so, quit bitching, you’re loaded and can do anything you please to “provide for your family”.

That’s why being a middle-class Republican is one of the dumbest positions an American can have, and it’s why I give this board hell. You’re idiot sheeple for buying into the myths.

It doesn’t matter at all if I am top bracket, middle bracket or low bracket. Believing others owe you something is not a RIGHT. It is envy and greed.
 
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It doesn’t matter at all if I am top bracket, middle bracket or low bracket. Believing others owe you something is a RIGHT. It is envy and greed.
Which is why I always dine and dash.
 
It doesn’t matter at all if I am top bracket, middle bracket or low bracket. Believing others owe you something is a RIGHT. It is envy and greed.

So you are wholeheartedly in favor of repealing any and all oil and gas tax credits in this state?
 
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