More proof the Uncle Bibi is the victim, always the victim.
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Yeah, that’s what it is, collateral damage. It’s all collateral damage. That’s what makes Uncle Bibi the victim.
I wonder if that’s what it looked like when Uncle Bibi “accidentally” murdered the aid workers.Drop em Bibi!
Maybe if a society of a million+ people did more to take care of themselves rather than just serve their terrorist leadership, they wouldn't be under such dependency for foreign aid (or be under assault by the "warlord" next door).
Ponca,
Honest question for you. What percentage of the Palestine people are Hamas? Prior to the war there were 2.3 million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. How many do you suppose were Hamas or Hamas supporters?
It’s a trick question admirably answered by Ashleigh Banfield in her 2003 speech at Kansas State university. No peace will ever be achieved until both sides talk to each other and understand each others’ attitudes. As she explained it when we in the west hear Hamas we instantly think “terrorist.” The people in Gaza think “Shriner.” Because Hamas is the organization that built the hospitals, schools, universities, museums, etc., and that is what the people in Gaza see. So when Bearcat claims he’s seen a poll that 70% of Gazans “support” Hamas what he thinks is they support “terrorists” while what they actually support are “Shriners.” And by the way Hamas has no control in the West Bank and never has.
I don't care about 2003. What is it today? How does a group of 2.3M people let itself be labeled as terrorists and not do a thing about it? If Russia (or another country) invaded the US today, I'd have to choose, do I hate the US government enough to side with Russia, or do I support the US. There is no "consider me neutral" ground that you seem so willing to carve out for the 'innocent' Palestinian civilians..
The point you apparently missed is what she said in 2003 is just as valid today. So when you ask how many Gazans support Hamas it is important that you know the distinction because otherwise you will have the wrong impression and it will lead to more of the same chaos. The 2.3 million people in Gaza, about half of whom are children, have no say in how the western press portrays them. You imply you would be a resistance fighter should resistance be necessary. Tell me where you were on Jan 6, where was your resistance against the tyranny of our government that day?
Nah but you can bet if Hamas had that capability they would do it daily.
Then we should be grateful that Hamas does not have that capability. In addition we should wish Israel did not have that capability either because Uncle Bibi has proven beyond doubt that he will do it daily.
Good god how I wish you were a young adult in 1945 spouting your bullshit about innocent Germans and Japs. And even more so. how I wish you would have spouted that bullshit in the presence of my dad and his friends. The result would have been most satisfying to the majority of posters here.
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I’m sure your dad was a good, God-fearing decent Christian man who tried to live his life as Jesus taught. So if my opinions reduce him to blind emotional rage leading to violence, as they seem to do to you, he would be betraying everything he wanted to live his life for.
Its ironic that you say that doing what we're doing will lead to more of the same chaos. I'd argue that your tactic of trying to be peaceful neighbors is why we're in the same boat as we were in 2003. Maybe if someone in 2003 had kicked ass and took names, 2023-2024 would have been peaceful. My hope is that by doing that kicking ass and taking names now, that in another 20 years, there won't be people on this board talking about the plight of the civilians caught up in the crossfire between Israel and those who seek to destroy it.
Your hope is unreasonable. There will always be a segment of people who will chafe living subserviently under the thumb of authoritarians, especially unwanted occupiers who inhabit their homeland, and will resist violently. Hamas is today’s version of those people. Getting rid of Hamas will not get rid of the desire to escape tyranny. It’s fools gold to think destroying Hamas will destroy the human desire to be free. It’s a *human* desire. Even Palestinians have it.
Unwanted occupiers who inhabit their homeland? In other words if only the Jews would leave and give the Palestinians control of Israel, the Palestinians would be happy. SMFH
Those are your words not mine, and that is your erroneous interpretation not mine. You can’t deny (well, you shouldn’t deny but probably will) that Israel is an occupying force in both Gaza and the West Bank, land supposed to belong to the Palestinians, but clearly does not.
Why would Israel ever want to surveil and police the Palestinians, it's not like the Palestinians have a history of attacking innocent unsuspecting Israeli citizens? Oh wait.
I’ll ask you for the ten thousandth time: looking at the numbers which side has attacked, captured and imprisoned more hostages, or murdered more unsuspecting citizens?
How many Israelis commit terrorist attacks against Palestinians? I don't see Israelis purposely attacking Palestinian civilians, I don't see Jews teaching their children Palestinians must die, I don't see Israelis running around chanting death to Palestine, those are all normal activities of the Palestinians.
Just for the record, you do believe that Native Americans should be free to commit terrorist acts against today's Americans too right? I mean we do occupy their homeland and we are clearly authoritarians. Just confirming that you believe in the consistent application of your beliefs and aren't just being an antisemite.
A clever attempt at a gotcha. No, American Indians should not be free to commit terrorist acts, and neither should Palestinians. There is no going back on the appropriation of land from the Indians. But likewise American Indians should not be treated like subhumans with no rights. They have been absorbed into the polity, own land, vote, travel, etc. as easily as you or I. I recognize that Israel exists, but not does not deserve to be a pariah supremacist state that shuffles any non-Jew to the back of the breadline, forbids non-Jews from voting, owning land or any other property, voting, travel freely, etc. which as of today is the reality. How that condition can exist without turmoil and violence escapes me.
So you agree that Palestinians should be under Israeli rule. You just disagree with how the Israeli's do it. At least we're getting somewhere.
No, no, no, I do NOT agree Palestinians should be under Israeli rule! If there’s only going to be one state then Palestinians should have equal rights and opportunities as every other citizen.
Uh, the Native Americans we stole it from, Dodge. This isn't a difficult concept like an analogy.
Still smarting from a few days ago, I see. To whom should the land comprising Ponca City, for example, be given?
We can always revisit that thread if you'd like, lol.
Who was living in the area of Ponca City when that land was taken? That's who it goes back to. This isn't difficult. We probably even have some really good records of who we forced off the land.
Well, the Ponca Indians were living there at the time of the Land Run. They were moved there against their will from the Omaha, NB, area. Their newly “acquired” territory had been an area previously occupied by the Kiowa and Otoe-Missouri unless they were chased out by the Comanche (the Ponca City area was on the extreme outskirts of Comanche raiding parties).
You already did.
The tribe that was removed gets it. Take your pick of Ponca Indians, Kiowa, or Otoe-Missouri, or all three.
If the Kiowa and Otoe-Missouri were forcefully displaced to make way for the Ponca Indians, then it's probably best it would go back to the Kiowa and Otoe-Missouri. The Ponca Indians will have claim to the land they were originally forcefully removed from.
This really isn't analogy science.
Analogy science … good one. But you’re dodging (speaking of dodging). What if the Comanche say the Great Spirit told them it was theirs? Shouldn't that promise be honored? Isn’t that the “Israeli Way?” Quit stalling , Mr. Simple Answer. Who do you give the land to?
The Comanche have no claim according to what you posted. Try again.
Or are you now going to try to tell me that Jews aren't indigenous to Palestine? I think I've only seen you refer to the Palestinians as indigenous.
So do the Comanche get to use their Great Spirit card or not? Why wouldn’t they have the same claim as the Zionists? Does the Jewish God have more cache than the Comanche Great Spirit? Tell us, Mr. Simple Answer, who gets the prize? The Poncas? The Kiowa? The Otoe-Missouri? The Comanche? Which ones? Full blood? Or do mixed blood get in on the goodies? I’m sure there are government records that will clean up any confusion, government records being so reliable and all. But in the meantime since the answer is so simple why don’t you enlighten us with your wisdom?
Yep, there's our Ponca Dodge. I'll ask again separately so that you don't have a distraction:
