Is Mass Shooting Hysteria racism or narcissism?

[aix_xpert]

I wondered why a mass shooting gets covered Nationally yet high murder rate urban areas don't, and I think I finally understand. At the end of the day, the educated liberal isn't worried about urban crime because he (or she) doesn't live there. He's not affected by it. But a mass shooting can happen anywhere. The left is actually scared of mass shooters because it could actually happen to them. Would you consider that callous (racist?) towards the inner urban gun culture that shoots hundreds every year in basically every major city, or is just narcissism of only caring about themselves?

 

[windriverrange]

I wondered why a mass shooting gets covered Nationally yet high murder rate urban areas don't, and I think I finally understand. At the end of the day, the educated liberal isn't worried about urban crime because he (or she) doesn't live there. He's not affected by it. But a mass shooting can happen anywhere. The left is actually scared of mass shooters because it could actually happen to them. Would you consider that callous (racist?) towards the inner urban gun culture that shoots hundreds every year in basically every major city, or is just narcissism of only caring about themselves?

Excellent point aix_xpert. I would also add that it has to do with voting blocks in that urban areas that experience poverty, high crime and urban decay are locked up as voters for the liberals. They pay lip service to the fighting of crime but then turn around and drive LEO into so many corners that it is difficult to make a dent in gun crime. Conversely, it is exactly as you point out in that libs don't live in the shitholes they create, so a random mass shooting act can effect them disproportionally, even though the odds are so infinitesimally small it is laughable. Their appeal though is for a greater swath of suburban dolts who see every shooting as a lapse by policy and not the person who committed the crime. The end result is gun control and whether they admit it or not and if they stack the courts and congress you can bet this is where things are headed. Every shooting, draws more and more coverage and more and more inane comparisons and more and more converts that this is a huge problem, when in fact your more likely to die in a drunk driving crash than a mass shooting.

 

[imprimis]

I wondered why a mass shooting gets covered Nationally yet high murder rate urban areas don't, and I think I finally understand. At the end of the day, the educated liberal isn't worried about urban crime because he (or she) doesn't live there. He's not affected by it. But a mass shooting can happen anywhere. The left is actually scared of mass shooters because it could actually happen to them. Would you consider that callous (racist?) towards the inner urban gun culture that shoots hundreds every year in basically every major city, or is just narcissism of only caring about themselves?

The elitist liberal is scared the world may see they shop at WalMart...that's their fear.

 

[aix_xpert]

The elitist liberal is scared the world may see they shop at WalMart...that's their fear.

Prior to Amazon, everyone shopped at Walmart.

 

[MegaPoke]

Disarming gangs doesn’t help the statists, so there’s no point in talking about it.

Disarming the general US population is critical. Along with destroying free speech and finally, due process.

Mass shootings are great opportunities for useful idiots like @Syskatine to petition our eventual overlords for social credits and give away rights we’ve held for nearly 2 1/2 centuries.

Without the hysteria people might actually look at the stats and realize the cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media, 24 hour news cycle and internet echo chambers are to blame not the guns we’ve had all along.

AR’s have been around since the 50’s. You used to be able to order Thompson sub machine guns and Browning Automatic Rifles from the SEARS catalog. But people like Sys will never ask themselves why highly visible mass shootings are a problem of the past 20 years and not really before that.

 

[Pokeabear]

Disarming gangs doesn’t help the statists, so there’s no point in talking about it.

Disarming the general US population is critical. Along with destroying free speech and finally, due process.

Mass shootings are great opportunities for useful idiots like @Syskatine to petition our eventual overlords for social credits and give away rights we’ve held for nearly 2 1/2 centuries.

Without the hysteria people might actually look at the stats and realize the cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media, 24 hour news cycle and internet echo chambers are to blame not the guns we’ve had all along.

AR’s have been around since the 50’s. You used to be able to order Thompson sub machine guns and Browning Automatic Rifles from the SEARS catalog. But people like Sys will never ask themselves why highly visible mass shootings are a problem of the past 20 years and not really before that.

I agree with most of this, Columbine changed everything. They imitated the Matrix and the internet took off helping giving a safe space to radicalize disaffected members of society.

 

[Syskatine]

Disarming gangs doesn’t help the statists, so there’s no point in talking about it.

Disarming the general US population is critical. Along with destroying free speech and finally, due process.

Mass shootings are great opportunities for useful idiots like @Syskatine to petition our eventual overlords for social credits and give away rights we’ve held for nearly 2 1/2 centuries.

Without the hysteria people might actually look at the stats and realize the cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media, 24 hour news cycle and internet echo chambers are to blame not the guns we’ve had all along.

AR’s have been around since the 50’s. You used to be able to order Thompson sub machine guns and Browning Automatic Rifles from the SEARS catalog. But people like Sys will never ask themselves why highly visible mass shootings are a problem of the past 20 years and not really before that.

Thank you! Batshit crazy and moronic, but I'll bite.

So what have the GOP, NRA or Fatass done in the last 5 years that addresses "cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media..."?

 

[100TonsofOrangeFury]

Thank you! Batshit crazy and moronic, but I'll bite.

So what have the GOP, NRA or Fatass done in the last 5 years that addresses "cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media..."?

Man, I could list at least 20 things you hate and think are idiotic, but I haven't the faintest clue if you actually have one good idea about anything. Just a shit-slinging asshole really.

 

[Syskatine]

Man, I could list at least 20 things you hate and think are idiotic, but I haven't the faintest clue if you actually have one good idea about anything. Just a shit-slinging asshole really.

 

[MegaPoke]

Thank you! Batshit crazy and moronic, but I'll bite.

So what have the GOP, NRA or Fatass done in the last 5 years that addresses "cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media..."?

Don't really have time to research this for you, but in short:

1. The GOP is useless.

2. The NRA is a civil rights organization that has more intellectual honesty in it's basic platform than the NAACP, ACLU, CAIR and Planned Parenthood combined. Their purpose is to protect the 2nd Amendment, not reverse disasterous social engineering failures.

3. I would say there are likely several examples, but as I said - you'll either have to wait till I have time to look or someone else can post them. At first glance, I would say his efforts to lift suppression of free speech among social media (and Google) is pretty critical. And the rest of those things took 60 years to fvck up. You really think he's going to fix all that stuff by 2/3 of the way through his first term? If it gets fixed at all, it'll take decades.

 

[Syskatine]

I wondered why a mass shooting gets covered Nationally yet high murder rate urban areas don't, and I think I finally understand. At the end of the day, the educated liberal isn't worried about urban crime because he (or she) doesn't live there. He's not affected by it. But a mass shooting can happen anywhere. The left is actually scared of mass shooters because it could actually happen to them. Would you consider that callous (racist?) towards the inner urban gun culture that shoots hundreds every year in basically every major city, or is just narcissism of only caring about themselves?

Yeah, it's narcissism to want to stop people from getting killed.

What do you call people like you that don't care about the inner cities?

 

[MegaPoke]

Yeah, it's narcissism to want to stop people from getting killed.

What do you call people like you that don't care about the inner cities?

If you gave a shit about people not getting killed, you would look at things that matter - not statistically insignificant, completely indefinable abstract ideas like "assault rifles." I mean, not only is it plainly ineffective, it's literally been tried and had no statistical effect at all.

Every time some whacko does this, you wake up blaming guns, 2nd Amendment, NRA, Trump and so on - just as you have been programmed to do - with no sense of irony for all your vitriol against #bornfollowers. We can hold positions we've held our entire lives, but it's because "fatass" (how much do you weigh, by the way?) told us to.

 

[Syskatine]

If you gave a shit about people not getting killed, you would look at things that matter - not statistically insignificant, completely indefinable abstract ideas like "assault rifles." I mean, not only is it plainly ineffective, it's literally been tried and had no statistical effect at all.

Every time some whacko does this, you wake up blaming guns, 2nd Amendment, NRA, Trump and so on - just as you have been programmed to do - with no sense of irony for all your vitriol against #bornfollowers. We can hold positions we've held our entire lives, but it's because "fatass" (how much do you weigh, by the way?) told us to.

Please. It's a statistic when it's someone else's kid. If your daughter was room temperature, laying in a morgue, with a bullet hole in her gray body and her mom making her funeral arrangements you might have some urgency. At least, that's how it works with lots of conservatives. Jim Baker being the obvious one -- Reagan's press secretary changed his tune after HE was shot.

It's just excuses to maintain your self interest. Right now you like to shoot cans and it's stimulating to fantasize about hunger games shit with the government. If and when YOURS is hurt it'll be important. Just gotta wait until conservatives' ox is gored.

 

[MegaPoke]

Please. It's a statistic when it's someone else's kid. If your daughter was room temperature, laying in a morgue, with a bullet hole in her gray body and her mom making her funeral arrangements you might have some urgency. At least, that's how it works with lots of conservatives. Jim Baker being the obvious one -- Reagan's press secretary changed his tune after HE was shot.

It's just excuses to maintain your self interest. Right now you like to shoot cans and it's stimulating to fantasize about hunger games shit with the government. If and when YOURS is hurt it'll be important. Just gotta wait until conservatives' ox is gored.

Yeah, you are probably right. I think parents of victims of any kind of violence get a pass on how they react, don't you? Doesn't change the fact that for the other 300,000,000 of us, that's not good enough argument to overturn the Constitution. Your example was a little too personal by the way. Would appreciate it if you kept things more theoretical.

 

[Syskatine]

Yeah, you are probably right. I think parents of victims of any kind of violence get a pass on how they react, don't you? Doesn't change the fact that for the other 300,000,000 of us, that's not good enough argument to overturn the Constitution. Your example was a little too personal by the way. Would appreciate it if you kept things more theoretical.

So what's your policy position if its your kid instead of someone else's?

 

[AC_Exotic]

 

[MegaPoke]

So what's your policy position if its your kid instead of someone else's?

I reject your phrasing.

 

[Syskatine]

I reject your phrasing.

Of course you do.

 

[MegaPoke]

Of course you do.

I would be happy to talk to you about it, but not if my choices are 1. a statistically anomaly that would be thrown out of any credible study because of understandable bias or 2. a position that paints me as not caring about other people's kids. That's intellectually dishonest, and I simply reject it. It's a waste of time if that's your whole argument.

Here's the deal. I want all kids to be safe and grow up in a free country where their original rights are respected and aren't under constant attack.

I would suggest that statistically that's an infinitely greater risk than being a victim of random rifle crime. I know you don't like statistics, but they just don't support anything you are saying. Your argument has to be framed in imagining graphic personal loss that is clearly not statistically representative. I've already said that if it happened to me, my opinions would be wildly unpredictable, passionate and likely not representative of much beyond my own personal experience - which should self evidently be a terrible way to propose UnConstitutional legislation - the execution of which would fill the jails with innocent people and fill the streets with infinitely more violence.

 

[CBradSmith]

Of course you do.

You're getting out lawyered.

Are you a loser?

 

[lovethempokes]

Without the hysteria people might actually look at the stats and realize the cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media, 24 hour news cycle and internet echo chambers are to blame not the guns we’ve had all along.

This x 1000.

 

[imprimis]

Without the hysteria people might actually look at the stats and realize the cultural destruction of family, fatherhood, mental institutions and the rise of social media, 24 hour news cycle and internet echo chambers are to blame not the guns we’ve had all along.

By today's logic, all of us who were able to go into the local Western Auto and buy any gun at 12 years of age. Then walk out of the store carry the gun and a handful of ammunition past row on row of pick-ups with 2-3 guns in the real windows, windows down and keys in the ignition unattended and didn't have wild west shoot outs are the cause of this. Not only didn't we have shoot outs every weekend, we didn't steal those unattended trucks much less steal any of the guns. Nor were there mass shootings in the communities of color even though they had access to as many guns as the white supremacists, the majority of whom were yellow dog dems in the 50-60's.

 

[Syskatine]

I would be happy to talk to you about it, but not if my choices are 1. a statistically anomaly that would be thrown out of any credible study because of understandable bias or 2. a position that paints me as not caring about other people's kids. That's intellectually dishonest, and I simply reject it. It's a waste of time if that's your whole argument.

Here's the deal. I want all kids to be safe and grow up in a free country where their original rights are respected and aren't under constant attack.

I would suggest that statistically that's an infinitely greater risk than being a victim of random rifle crime. I know you don't like statistics, but they just don't support anything you are saying. Your argument has to be framed in imagining graphic personal loss that is clearly not statistically representative. I've already said that if it happened to me, my opinions would be wildly unpredictable, passionate and likely not representative of much beyond my own personal experience - which should self evidently be a terrible way to propose UnConstitutional legislation - the execution of which would fill the jails with innocent people and fill the streets with infinitely more violence.

Pretty amazing. Now stats count. All you've done for years is wipe your ass with gun death stats that suggest control works. Now it's about the stats. My god.

 

[CBradSmith]

Pretty amazing. Now stats count. All you've done for years is wipe your ass with gun death stats that suggest control works. Now it's about the stats. My god.

Solid work.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I would be happy to talk to you about it, but not if my choices are 1. a statistically anomaly that would be thrown out of any credible study because of understandable bias or 2. a position that paints me as not caring about other people's kids. That's intellectually dishonest, and I simply reject it. It's a waste of time if that's your whole argument.

Here's the deal. I want all kids to be safe and grow up in a free country where their original rights are respected and aren't under constant attack.

I would suggest that statistically that's an infinitely greater risk than being a victim of random rifle crime. I know you don't like statistics, but they just don't support anything you are saying. Your argument has to be framed in imagining graphic personal loss that is clearly not statistically representative. I've already said that if it happened to me, my opinions would be wildly unpredictable, passionate and likely not representative of much beyond my own personal experience - which should self evidently be a terrible way to propose UnConstitutional legislation - the execution of which would fill the jails with innocent people and fill the streets with infinitely more violence.

That's the most profound thing you've ever written. Good job. No, GREAT job!

 

[MegaPoke]

All you've done for years is wipe your ass with gun death stats that suggest control works.

There are no such stats. The highest gun control cities and states always experience the most gun crime. When comparing country to country, you lose about 99% of the context of any measurable stats - primary among them being the accuracy of reporting from country to country - and it goes rapidly downhill from there.

Now it's about the stats

It's always about actual factual stats. Account for all possible context and numbers don't lie.

My god.

No need to blaspheme.

 

[MegaPoke]

That's the most profound thing you've ever written. Good job. No, GREAT job!

Thanks I'm sure John Solomon would agree too.

 

[Syskatine]

AR’s have been around since the 50’s. You used to be able to order Thompson sub machine guns and Browning Automatic Rifles from the SEARS catalog. But people like Sys will never ask themselves why highly visible mass shootings are a problem of the past 20 years and not really before that.

Let's see what they cost. In 2020 dollars. I'll bet they were always pricey. You didn't have 20 y.o. 4chan morons buying them.

I'm all in for alternatives. Just don't see any real ones from your side of the aisle.

 

[MegaPoke]

Just don't see any real ones from your side of the aisle

First problem is you've always been wrong about me being on a side of the aisle. I'm a Constitutionalist. That used to qualify me as a free speech, pro drug, gay loving liberal. Now I'm on the other side of the aisle.

Secondly, the solution is multifaceted. Like I said earlier. there's not a quick fix. It took us decades to get into this situation. The short answer is - it is overmedicated, broken minds from broken homes who routinely consume echo-chamber poisoning online and know correctly that they can at least immortalize themselves with instant fame by performing some kind of heinous mass murder.

Our very own OSU homecoming parade incident should be proof enough of this. People who want to do evil will fvcking do it. We have to fix the system that generates them, and find a way to ID them before they break completely. Most of these losers left warnings signs all over creation.

 

[aix_xpert]

Yeah, it's narcissism to want to stop people from getting killed.

What do you call people like you that don't care about the inner cities?

Its narcissism to pick and choose which events you care about based on the potential to impact yourself, which is what you are doing.

As for the inner cities, you are right, I don't particularly care about them. But I also don't particularly care about the suburbs either. (See, I'm not hypocritical in my position, unlike you and your brethren.) I'm a believer in personal choice and personal freedom, and I'll be stubborn as heck to give either up as a consequence for the actions of a select few individuals.

 

[CBradSmith]

Its narcissism to pick and choose which events you care about based on the potential to impact yourself, which is what you are doing.

As for the inner cities, you are right, I don't particularly care about them. But I also don't particularly care about the suburbs either. (See, I'm not hypocritical in my position, unlike you and your brethren.) I'm a believer in personal choice and personal freedom, and I'll be stubborn as heck to give either up as a consequence for the actions of a select few individuals.

Welp, shut it down. The ass whipping is over.

 

[MegaPoke]

Help me out - is this news cycle over already? Gun grabbers seem to have abandoned the field.

 

[Syskatine]

Its narcissism to pick and choose which events you care about based on the potential to impact yourself, which is what you are doing.

As for the inner cities, you are right, I don't particularly care about them. But I also don't particularly care about the suburbs either. (See, I'm not hypocritical in my position, unlike you and your brethren.) I'm a believer in personal choice and personal freedom, and I'll be stubborn as heck to give either up as a consequence for the actions of a select few individuals.

Classic conservative. I appreciate the intellectual honesty.

Self interest is the ultimate ideology and belief system. I just don't know why more of ya'll don't default to that and say it. Own it. Don't pretend to give AF about anyone else or fret over what's best for the country, at least it's intellectually honest and we know how to deal with them.

 

[CBradSmith]

Classic conservative. I appreciate the intellectual honesty.

Self interest is the ultimate ideology and belief system. I just don't know why more of ya'll don't default to that and say it. Own it. Don't pretend to give AF about anyone else or fret over what's best for the country, at least it's intellectually honest and we know how to deal with them.

This is your grand response?

Your self interest allows you to shift personal and communal cares at the drop of a hat.

That is probably my biggest issue with you and your tribe. That you either ignore that you do so, or miss some love of the brain that detects it.

It's the highest form of selfishness.

 

[Syskatine]

This is your grand response?
That is probably my biggest issue with you and your tribe. That you either ignore that you do so, or miss some love of the brain that detects it.

It's the highest form of selfishness.

Yes, I must work.

Just once I want you to say or do something that makes a reader go, "Brad had a good thought."

 

[aix_xpert]

Classic conservative. I appreciate the intellectual honesty.

Self interest is the ultimate ideology and belief system. I just don't know why more of ya'll don't default to that and say it. Own it. Don't pretend to give AF about anyone else or fret over what's best for the country, at least it's intellectually honest and we know how to deal with them.

This is the fundamental difference between you and me. You believe in the "It takes a village" mantra, and I believe its up to each individual to take care of themselves.

 

[Syskatine]

This is the fundamental difference between you and me. You believe in the "It takes a village" mantra, and I believe its up to each individual to take care of themselves.

That's such a broad, bumper sticker statement there's no way to address it. It's also irrelevant to what I posted.


LOL let's confuse altruism and self reliance. Pretty confusing, huh?

 

[HighStickHarry]

That's such a broad, bumper sticker statement there's no way to address it. It's also irrelevant to what I posted.


LOL let's confuse altruism and self reliance. Pretty confusing, huh?

What do you do in the real world to back up all this fretting?

 

[Syskatine]

What do you do in the real world to back up all this fretting?

Read biographies of william wallace.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Read biographies of william wallace.

Hopefully you end up like him. Screaming trans for open borders and a gunless society as the sooners from 24/7 rip you apart.