At about the 3:15 mark the IDF spokesman said upon extracting the hostages the rescuers came under intense enemy fire from RPG’s, AK’s, explosive devices and mortar rounds, all from a 360 degree angle, literally surrounded. Assuming he’s telling the truth (he is an IDF spokesman so who knows if he is) have there been any reports of how many IDF rescuers were killed or wounded during the rescue operation?
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You really don't know if IDF soldiers were killed in the rescue? It was a main focus in the initial reports.
It was initially reported one Israeli was severely injured and later died.
Strange how the Israelis came under attack from 360 degrees when they were in the middle of a refugee camp. Almost like international laws are being violated by militants hiding among civilians.
That would be true, provided it is true. Do they say how many IDF rescuers were sent into and around the building? It seems odd that heavy fire from 360 degrees would not result in more casualties, which leaves me pondering three alternatives. There was not heavy fire from 360 degrees, there were very few IDF rescuers involved in the extraction or the Hamas fighters are really bad at combat. If I were a betting man I'd put my money on the first option.
Does it really matter. Hostages were being held in a refugee camp and obviously had numerous Hamas fighters in the camp being aided by what you claim are innocent peace loving refugees.
Yes, I think it matters when government agents/spokesmen lie to us. You don't like it when Biden lies and you shouldn't like being lied to by Trump or any foreign government. I for one find it a little too convenient for Israel to come under intense criticism for targeting journalists for murder only to be told without evidence that a journalist was keeping hostages in his home, thus justifying murdering all journalists. But that's me, I'm sure you accept everything the Israeli government tells you as the unvarnished truth, even when it is proven to be a lie.
Watching some of the video there seems to be quite a bit of firing going on and the fact one of the Israelis was killed is a pretty good indicator the Israelis were not able to politely knock on the door and ask to have the hostages released. But then again does it matter? You are not going to believe anything unless Catlin prints it.
Combat can be very chaotic. Once the shooting starts trying to figure out where the fire is coming from in an urban environment can be confusing. He was most likely reading the after-action reports and it stated that fire was coming from all around, which to the soldier may be what they felt like when they were getting shot at. It's more likely that you are witnessing the fog of war either way. The Hamas fighters are not as well trained as the IDF, just pointing out you dismissed this one, and it's a viable option.
This is what it felt like to the innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the hostages.
Inside the Nuseirat Massacre: This Is the Carnage I Saw During Israel's Hostage Rescue
Witnesses describe the carnage of the Nuseirat massacre, Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza that killed hundreds of Palestinians.
theintercept.com
Oh, I accept yours is a viable option, but I don’t particularly find it believable considering the firepower the IDF brought with it (bombers, attack helicopters, attack drones, tanks, etc.) and the carnage it left in its wake.
As Israel should have done. Unlike with Hamas, Israel puts it citizen and military member first. They don't use themas pawns to be sacrificed to protect themselves.This is what it felt like to the innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the hostages.
Inside the Nuseirat Massacre: This Is the Carnage I Saw During Israel's Hostage Rescue
Witnesses describe the carnage of the Nuseirat massacre, Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza that killed hundreds of Palestinians.
Oh, I accept yours is a viable option, but I don’t particularly find it believable considering the firepower the IDF brought with it (bombers, attack helicopters, attack drones, tanks, etc.) and the carnage it left in its wake.
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Yeah, the IDF is brutal against people who can’t fight back.
The innocent civilians that were holding hostages. Gotcha. 🤣This is what it felt like to the innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the hostages.
Inside the Nuseirat Massacre: This Is the Carnage I Saw During Israel's Hostage Rescue
Witnesses describe the carnage of the Nuseirat massacre, Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza that killed hundreds of Palestinians.
Oh, I accept yours is a viable option, but I don’t particularly find it believable considering the firepower the IDF brought with it (bombers, attack helicopters, attack drones, tanks, etc.) and the carnage it left in its wake.
Sure. All 274 people the IDF slaughtered mostly from afar were complicit in the kidnapping. The same way every black American is complicit in the BLM riots/destruction. I wonder if @Sunburnt Indian realizes you consider him guilty of all the “mostly peaceful” burning, looting and rioting. I wonder if you realize as a MAGA confederate you deserve to be locked up for insurrection. Because let’s face it, per your philosophy if one person in a group does something destructive the whole group is at fault.
I don't think they make psychiatric meds strong enough for your needs. Hoooo weeee, mamma!
That dead Israeli soldier disagrees with you.
Pretty much. They all know hostages and Hamas fighters are hiding with them and know who the Hamas fighters are. They haven't done anything to force Hamas out or informed the Israelis where the hostages are being held. Sorry but that's a decision they have made and the consequences are sometimes tragic.
You can't tell me that everyone in that building didn't know what was going on. If the journalist, who's home it was reported they were keeping the hostages in, wasn't involved, then he was a horrible journalist. Hamas would have been hiding hostages right under his nose.This is what it felt like to the innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the hostages.
Inside the Nuseirat Massacre: This Is the Carnage I Saw During Israel's Hostage Rescue
Witnesses describe the carnage of the Nuseirat massacre, Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza that killed hundreds of Palestinians.
Oh, I accept yours is a viable option, but I don’t particularly find it believable considering the firepower the IDF brought with it (bombers, attack helicopters, attack drones, tanks, etc.) and the carnage it left in its wake.
Here is the deal. If I were living in a war zone, then I wouldn't be surprised when the war comes to my doorstep. If Hamas was keeping hostages in my building, I would not be surprised when armed soldiers storm the place.
The reason everyone is suddenly for peace is because Hamas knows now that Israel is homing in on hostages, and that is the only leverage they have. Think about that, the only leverage Hamas has is hostages.
I don't care if I'm going against a sherpa village with only spears, I'm bringing the heat so I can make sure Israelis come back alive.This is what it felt like to the innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the hostages.
Inside the Nuseirat Massacre: This Is the Carnage I Saw During Israel's Hostage Rescue
Witnesses describe the carnage of the Nuseirat massacre, Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza that killed hundreds of Palestinians.
Oh, I accept yours is a viable option, but I don’t particularly find it believable considering the firepower the IDF brought with it (bombers, attack helicopters, attack drones, tanks, etc.) and the carnage it left in its wake.
The imbecility in that comment is without limit. The only reason someone would say something like that is he knows people will be so dumbfounded by the idiocy of the remark they are left slack jawed with inability to speak. I know in the past I have teased you that you are dense and a “good solid ‘C’ student” in college, but not even you can seriously believe what you just wrote.
Well the IDF says one of them didn’t come back alive (per Bearcat) and rumors are that at least one hostage was killed by their own rescuers. I’d bet neither of them are all that pleased with the heat the IDF brought. But there’s no doubt the IDF brought mountains more heat than necessary.
With people living in close quarters of a refugee camp, the Palestinian civilians know who the fighters are and have an idea where hostages are being held.
Did you stop to think Israel wouldn't need to bring the heat if Hamas had not taken hostages or had released them. Sorry Dan, this is all on the Palestinians.
There is always the possibility that you will have casualties. I would want to limit those casualties to the enemy as much as possible. As for the hostage it will be the cost of freedom that some will have to give everything. Better to be killed than remain a hostage of Hamas. Some situations are worse than death. I would expect being a hostage of Hamas is one of those cases.
I would rather lose hostages in attempts to free them than trade anything for them. The idea being that if you trade for a hostsge, you will encourage more taking of hostages. This would then be a circle of violence worse than what you have now.
You can't complain about not trusting the IDF spokesperson, then immediately quote the Gazan Health Ministry.
At least he didn't use another Catlin propaganda piece.
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