I'm tired of it all

[TPOKE]

Both sides. They spend a majority of their time trying to dig shit up on each other and nothing gets done. They're the most talk out of both sides of your mouth hypocritical bunch of childish assholes on the planet. It's nothing but a big damn reality show with a bunch children parading as adults. F'em. We need term limits.

 

[TheRedSon]

Don't vote for them.

 

[aix_xpert]

Don't vote for them.

If there was a viable alternative, I wouldn't. You don't make national levels of politics without demonstrating that you can tow the party/donor line. Trump was the first politician that actually called out the problems, but its apparent that he can't change things either. It certainly doesn't help that today's media, the citizen's one defense against "the swamp" of corrupt politics isn't interested in changing things either.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

If there was a viable alternative, I wouldn't. You don't make national levels of politics without demonstrating that you can tow the party/donor line. Trump was the first politician that actually called out the problems, but its apparent that he can't change things either. It certainly doesn't help that today's media, the citizen's one defense against "the swamp" of corrupt politics isn't interested in changing things either.

Oh, they're interested in changing things. They are greatly interested, just not in the way you mean.

 

[TheRedSon]

I'm not talking about just for President.

Two more independent Senators in office right now and Trump would have his hands tied.

As it is we have to hope two Republicans decide he's not due their undying loyalty.

(And it's be exactly the same if the other party controlled both branches).

 

[TPOKE]

Don't vote for them.

I don't after two terms.

 

[aix_xpert]

I'm not talking about just for President.

Two more independent Senators in office right now and Trump would have his hands tied.

As it is we have to hope two Republicans decide he's not due their undying loyalty.

(And it's be exactly the same if the other party controlled both branches).

Except you wouldn't be complaining. Just like you weren't here complaining when O-Care got passed along party lines. I'm tired of partisan crap from both sides who are more worried about image than real solutions and governing. At least Trump showed some compromise in regards to the budget details. Not exactly I ever saw from the prior admin. If we could get some compromise and real evaluation of healthcare, maybe we'd get something that wouldn't be immediately hated by half the country whose party didn't come up with it.

And it doesn't help that the media has its own agenda. When O-care gets passed, the media is praising and interviewing those that suddenly gained insurance but pretty much swept under the rug the 100% cost increases to non-subsidized individuals. When Trump (the enemy) proposes a plan, they immediately accentuate the losers from the plan, while glossing over (or completely ignoring) the winners and benefits. Everytime government farts there are winners and losers. I just wish our representatives and our media could be honest in its evaluation of who those winners and losers actually are.

In the end, its clear that our government is broken by one easy evaluation. How many votes today are simply party-line? Are the concerns of a Colorado Democrat the same as New York Dem? How about an Ohio Republican and a Florida Republican? They have significantly different constituencies, but can be reliably expected to vote party 99% of the time. This just leads to even more polarizing legislation that is immediately hated by half the population and a continued mistrust of anything that comes from the other side.

In the end, its leads to where we are today. There is no middle. And those of us who are in the middle simply aren't represented.

 

[TheRedSon]

I didn't complain when the health care bill passed because I have a preexisting condition.

My wife had a preexisting condition.

My mother-in-law has a preexisting condition.

My daughter has a preexisting condition.

I wasn't on here complaining about the war in Iraq in 2003 either even though I vehemently disagreed with it.

I have spent almost zero time on this board ever until this week (I came over here to answer a question once during the 2012 campaign).

I'm highly concerned about this Presodent though, so here I am.

 

[aix_xpert]

I'm highly concerned about this Presodent though, so here I am.

Honest question: What makes this president any different than any of our prior that makes you worry? Is it an Rs vs. Ds thing? Is it the media and their unceasing attacks against anything that changes the status quo of the globalist establishment?

 

[Cordellhall83]

What you basically know about Donald Trump is what you have gotten from the media.
That concerns me.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Donald trump is nuts, it's unfortunate someone with just a little sanity can't do what he did in his campaign. His interview with Lester holt in regards to comey was classless, childish and most of all unnecessary.

The media is ten times more sickening, has less morals and cares about destroying what traditional America we have left.

 

[TheRedSon]

Honest question: What makes this president any different than any of our prior that makes you worry? Is it an Rs vs. Ds thing? Is it the media and their unceasing attacks against anything that changes the status quo of the globalist establishment?

You mean other than hints of racism and sexism that would have been out of place in then 80's, let alone 2017?

Or other than his how often he tells lies and his blatant disregard for facts (I'm well aware the Clintons have their own issues with the truth, and I'll remind you before you say it that I did not vote for her)?

I wouldn't be here posting about that stuff either though, nor my concerns over the House's new healthcare bill, which would as I currently read it could cost me quite a bit if I ever leave my current job and don't get coverage immediately. All of that stuff is politics as usual. It's messed, it's partisan, and someone is always getting screwed over. I hate that stuff. I'd much rather talk about sports, or Star Wars, or what's good on TV.

No, what bothers me about this President is his authoritarian tendencies. He praises foreign leaders like Putin. He has issues with free speech, and he clearly wants to limit the freedom of the press (Priebus told reporters just a week ago the President was looking into ways to change the First Amendment so he could sue the press). He has no understanding or respect for freedom of religion which is clearly present in his willingness to limit travel to the US on religious basis and his efforts to ingratiate himself with the Religious Right by allowing/encouraging campaign speech from the pulpit. He is also ridiculously illiterate on Christian theology while he claims to be a champion for Christianity, but that is mostly an annoyance to me. He has used his bully pulpit to intimidate federal judges. I believe he shows a lack of respect for the entire Bill of Rights (excepting the Second Amendment of course).

My fingers are tired, but I have not exhausted my list, and I still haven't gotten to the possibility that he has questionable ties to foreign money and hasn't released any of his own financial documents or his real personal companies.

Oh, and he he's a narcissist, and that makes it next to impossible for him to
look at himself in any critical manner that might help him make positive changes.

 

[Been Jammin]

You mean other than hints of racism and sexism that would have been out of place in then 80's, let alone 2017?

Or other than his how often he tells lies and his blatant disregard for facts (I'm well aware the Clintons have their own issues with the truth, and I'll remind you before you say it that I did not vote for her)?

I wouldn't be here posting about that stuff either though, nor my concerns over the House's new healthcare bill, which would as I currently read it could cost me quite a bit if I ever leave my current job and don't get coverage immediately. All of that stuff is politics as usual. It's messed, it's partisan, and someone is always getting screwed over. I hate that stuff. I'd much rather talk about sports, or Star Wars, or what's good on TV.

No, what bothers me about this President is his authoritarian tendencies. He praises foreign leaders like Putin. He has issues with free speech, and he clearly wants to limit the freedom of the press (Priebus told reporters just a week ago the President was looking into ways to change the First Amendment so he could sue the press). He has no understanding or respect for freedom of religion which is clearly present in his willingness to limit travel to the US on religious basis and his efforts to ingratiate himself with the Religious Right by allowing/encouraging campaign speech from the pulpit. He is also ridiculously illiterate on Christian theology while he claims to be a champion for Christianity, but that is mostly an annoyance to me. He has used his bully pulpit to intimidate federal judges. I believe he shows a lack of respect for the entire Bill of Rights (excepting the Second Amendment of course).

My fingers are tired, but I have not exhausted my list, and I still haven't gotten to the possibility that he has questionable ties to foreign money and hasn't released any of his own financial documents or his real personal companies.

Oh, and he he's a narcissist, and that makes it next to impossible for him to
look at himself in any critical manner that might help him make positive changes.

Lando and I agree.

 

[TheRedSon]

What you basically know about Donald Trump is what you have gotten from the media.
That concerns me.

That's not exactly true.

He has a Twitter habit.

Also, he was a bit of a celebrity for at least a few years before he ran for office.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Priebus told reporters just a week ago the President was looking into ways to change the First Amendment so he could sue the press)

I'm interested in this. Tell me more

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Hints of fascism? Good Lord, get a ****ing grip.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Trump's style and personality is bad for America.

Problem is, he was still better than the alternative.

 

[TheRedSon]

Priebus told reporters just a week ago the President was looking into ways to change the First Amendment so he could sue the press)

I'm interested in this. Tell me more

It would have been more accurate to say they have looked into ways to change the libel laws, but that any significant change to libel laws regarding the press would require a change in the First Amendment.

Google Priebus + libel law + press and you'll see all kinds of stories about it from April 30.

 

[TheRedSon]

Hints of fascism? Good Lord, get a ****ing grip.

I did not go so far as to use that word.

I described my concerns, which is the question that was asked of me.

It is possible my fears are unfounded, and I hope very much that they are.

 

[HighStickHarry]

It would have been more accurate to say they have looked into ways to change the libel laws, but that any significant change to libel laws regarding the press would require a change in the First Amendment.

Google Priebus + libel law + press and you'll see all kinds of stories about it from April 30.

I knew what you were trying to refer to. You have potential to be an actual thought provoking liberal here. Tighten up.

 

[Been Jammin]

Lando and I agree.

@TheRedSon ...you better like my post, or you and I are going to have to fight.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

You mean other than hints of racism and sexism that would have been out of place in then 80's, let alone 2017?

Or other than his how often he tells lies and his blatant disregard for facts (I'm well aware the Clintons have their own issues with the truth, and I'll remind you before you say it that I did not vote for her)?

I wouldn't be here posting about that stuff either though, nor my concerns over the House's new healthcare bill, which would as I currently read it could cost me quite a bit if I ever leave my current job and don't get coverage immediately. All of that stuff is politics as usual. It's messed, it's partisan, and someone is always getting screwed over. I hate that stuff. I'd much rather talk about sports, or Star Wars, or what's good on TV.

No, what bothers me about this President is his authoritarian tendencies. He praises foreign leaders like Putin. He has issues with free speech, and he clearly wants to limit the freedom of the press (Priebus told reporters just a week ago the President was looking into ways to change the First Amendment so he could sue the press). He has no understanding or respect for freedom of religion which is clearly present in his willingness to limit travel to the US on religious basis and his efforts to ingratiate himself with the Religious Right by allowing/encouraging campaign speech from the pulpit. He is also ridiculously illiterate on Christian theology while he claims to be a champion for Christianity, but that is mostly an annoyance to me. He has used his bully pulpit to intimidate federal judges. I believe he shows a lack of respect for the entire Bill of Rights (excepting the Second Amendment of course).

My fingers are tired, but I have not exhausted my list, and I still haven't gotten to the possibility that he has questionable ties to foreign money and hasn't released any of his own financial documents or his real personal companies.

Oh, and he he's a narcissist, and that makes it next to impossible for him to
look at himself in any critical manner that might help him make positive changes.

Here is the problem with this. You just described what would be considered the Right's problem with the last president, and the problem they had with the last D candidate. The way you feel right now is how many on this board have felt for the last eight years. HRC represented a continuation of that president with even more baggage. The alternative to HRC as the Dem candidate is even worse. Given the choice between Bernie and HRC I'm glad the choices where what they were. Welcome to the discord, and I agree that you would represent a tolerable left leaning member to the board. Just thought you may want to know why your argument will fall on deaf ears.

 

[HighStickHarry]

The 80's would be shut down and closed if today's racism and sexism
Standards were applied. I saw Johnny Carson say he would give one years salary to peek at dolly partons breasts. I laughed and then I looked around to see if anybody saw me.

 

[TheRedSon]

Here is the problem with this. You just described what would be considered the Right's problem with the last president, and the problem they had with the last D candidate. The way you feel right now is how many on this board have felt for the last eight years. HRC represented a continuation of that president with even more baggage. The alternative to HRC as the Dem candidate is even worse. Given the choice between Bernie and HRC I'm glad the choices where what they were. Welcome to the discord, and I agree that you would represent a tolerable left leaning member to the board. Just thought you may want to know why your argument will fall on deaf ears.

I understand frustration with the previous administration's use of executive orders.

I'm not sure when or where there was any reason under any previous administration that I have experienced (I just turned 38) that anyone had legitimate concerns about the continued prominence of the First Amendment in American life.

BTW, I'll wear the "left-leaning" label because it doesn't offend me, and I'm aware that I am certainly left of the vast majority of the state of Oklahoma, and most of Texas as well, but I do not self identify as left-leaning or liberal. I have concerns on both sides of the aisle and chafe at the idea either party (or any third party) could ever satisfy my political ideal.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

SCOTUS

 

[CowboyJD]

Honest question: What makes this president any different than any of our prior that makes you worry? Is it an Rs vs. Ds thing? Is it the media and their unceasing attacks against anything that changes the status quo of the globalist establishment?

What makes this one different?

We have a direct pipeline to his every thought via twitter.

Which is very weird and more than a little disconcerting.

 

[CowboyJD]

@TheRedSon ...you better like my post, or you and I are going to have to fight.

@TheRedSon ....I'm disappointed that you gave in to the blatant armtwisting.

Thought you were better than that.

#FightThePowersThatBe

 

[HighStickHarry]

@TheRedSon ....I'm disappointed that you gave in to the blatant armtwisting.

Thought you were better than that.

#FightThePowersThatBe

Nerfherders gonna nerfherd.