...you don't need a bigger net. You need tighter holes. Background checks need revision, not more laws.
I'm glad to see the NRA out fighting for the Constitution.
I'm glad to see the NRA out fighting for the Constitution.
If you cast a net, and the fish swim through the holes...
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Once again the liberal anti-gun establishment has missed the boat. Gang violence with firearms kills far more than mass shooters do. And the majority of the mass shooters could still legally acquire firearms even with the new executive actions. I guess it's politics as usual over the actual saving of lives for the liberal elite. At what point will they admit yet another policy failure?
The guy in the link nails it. I'm pretty sure most of the centrists and conservative leaners on this board feel about the same way.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
The guy in the link nails it. I'm pretty sure most of the centrists and conservative leaners on this board feel about the same way.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
I appreciate those conservatives working to tighten those holes, Multipoke.
Can you direct me to republican-sponsored legislation to tighten those holes?
Can you direct me to republican-sponsored legislation to tighten those holes?
First, let me say I have no problem with 100% background checks for every type of firearm transfer assuming the government provides it free of charge.
Having said that, what an absolutely idiotic idea to prevent gun violence. It isn't enforceable at all unless you register 100% of firearms and how do you even begin to do that especially in a state like OK where 0% are currently registered? It's the typical pass a law, any law even if it's useless so we can say we did something although in this case Obama doesn't even have the nuts to go to Congress and get it done. Big deal that he cried only a heartless bastard could meet with the parents of murdered kids and not tear up. Stupid idea that will do nothing but hey, at least he learned how to cry from Boner.
Having said that, what an absolutely idiotic idea to prevent gun violence. It isn't enforceable at all unless you register 100% of firearms and how do you even begin to do that especially in a state like OK where 0% are currently registered? It's the typical pass a law, any law even if it's useless so we can say we did something although in this case Obama doesn't even have the nuts to go to Congress and get it done. Big deal that he cried only a heartless bastard could meet with the parents of murdered kids and not tear up. Stupid idea that will do nothing but hey, at least he learned how to cry from Boner.
If I wanted to sell a gun to someone I can't do a background check. How ****ed up is that?!?!?
That's one problem. Most likely you'll have to go to a FFL and pay a fee for them to run the check. Or....you could just not run the check and sell the gun anyway since no record exists that you owned the gun in the first place.
Look this ATF form: https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download
This is the federal form required for all gun purchases from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Scroll down to Section D. The make, model and serial number are required.
However, if you purchased the firearm in question from an individual prior to the law being reinterpreted, then you are correct. No record.
I noticed that this form was revised in 2012. Not really sure how long the model/serial number entry on the form has been there.
There is no database that contains this information though. The records are only maintained at the local gun shop...at least that's the way it was a few years ago. Unless a crime was committed with the gun it would never be researched. Plus, unless they did some sort of mass registration they could only prove that at one time you owned the gun, not that you owned the gun when it was transferred to an unauthorized person. I've sold multiple firearms that the gun store would say I own that I haven't owned in 10 years. The whole thing is idiotic.
I'm unequivocally for tighter holes.
I haven't bought a gun through a dealer in decades so I don't know what goes on. However, if the records are maintained at a local gun shop, how are the authorities able to track down who and where weapons were bought so quickly after a shooting (like San Bernardino)? Seems like a database exists for this to happen versus physically going to each gun shop and searching records.
That was just what I was told by a gun dealer in Stillwater about 5 years ago. My guess is that you call the manufacturer of the gun with the serial number, find out which store it was sold to, then contact the store and find out who they sold it to. Wouldn't take more than 5 minutes with a couple of phone calls. Most gun dealers I know certainly are not fans of the government or the ATF so I'd be surprised if the guy wasn't being straight with me.
Keep one thing in mind with San Bernardino it was in CA and they have different rules on these guns then OK. I think you might have to register AR's out there in some form or fashion and pistols maybe also. I just had a family member move out there and he left all his guns here except a shotgun. I was under the assumption that he didn't want his other guns being registered as he would more then likely move back to OK in the future. I could be wrong here though.
