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I remember when we had gun ranges in school

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How many of you who were in high school in the 80's had a gun rack with a shotgun in the back window of your truck parked safely in the parking lot?

I don't remember the school shooting problem then that we have today (though I do remember a bomb threat or two).

A lot has changed. The problem might be much deeper than a knee-jerk reaction to fire arms.

I might not agree with everything in the following column, as it paints some aspects of life 30 years ago with a broad brush. But it does have a few points worth considering.

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams...m_source=PJMLifestyleFacebook&utm_medium=post
 
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imprimis said:
Never has been the gun...just the person using it. No gun has ever walked into a school and discharged itself resulting in deaths.
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No nuclear weapon, grenade, or vial of anthrax has ever killed by itself, either.

No car has ever killed someone by itself, but we closely regulate licensure, insurance and require basic fitness and competence to drive.
 
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syskatine said:
No nuclear weapon, grenade, or vial of anthrax has ever killed by itself, either.

No car has ever killed someone by itself, but we closely regulate licensure, insurance and require basic fitness and competence to drive.
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And none of those are a constitutionally protected right.

I don't have the right to own or do any of those you listed. I do have a right to own 'arms'.

Also, I don't have the right to kill anyone by any method. That's not what we are arguing here.
 
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Ostatedchi said:
And none of those are a constitutionally protected right.

I don't have the right to own or do any of those you listed. I do have a right to own 'arms'.

Also, I don't have the right to kill anyone by any method. That's not what we are arguing here.
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No, what we're arguing before you just changed the topic is whether the guns kill people. Of course they do. We all intuitively understand that certain weapons actually do kill people. Our laws reflect the reality that many weapons kill people, but for some reason guns don't. I'll tell you the reason: NRA messaging, pure and simple.
 
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syskatine said:
No, what we're arguing before you just changed the topic is whether the guns kill people. Of course they do. We all intuitively understand that certain weapons actually do kill people. Our laws reflect the reality that many weapons kill people, but for some reason guns don't. I'll tell you the reason: NRA messaging, pure and simple.
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I can use a hammer to build a house or bludgeon someone. It isn't the fault of the hammer. The hammer is just a tool.

Go watch a Mexican drug cartel chainsaw video and what they do with them. It isn't the fault of the chainsaw that was specifically designed to cut things in half that it was used on a human instead of a tree. No matter how many times you try to say otherwise, it won't be true.
 
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Ostatedchi said:
Without a change to the constitution, yes.
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And with the 2nd amendment being a cornerstone above all else for too many people’s lives in this country, that’s not gonna change, so it becomes a matter of legislative determinance of modifying gun control. With republicans and their vast NRA lobby support, it doesn’t seem many on this board really want that to change, regardless of all the “sadness”.
 
Ostatedchi said:
I can use a hammer to build a house or bludgeon someone. It isn't the fault of the hammer. The hammer is just a tool.

Go watch a Mexican drug cartel chainsaw video and what they do with them. It isn't the fault of the chainsaw that was specifically designed to cut things in half that it was used on a human instead of a tree. No matter how many times you try to say otherwise, it won't be true.
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How many people can you line up and kill with a hammer in, say, 5 minutes? Now line up people and put a rifle in your hands with multiple mags.

You see the difference? It’s pretty huge.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
And with the 2nd amendment being a cornerstone above all else for too many people’s lives in this country, that’s not gonna change, so it becomes a matter of legislative determinance of modifying gun control. With republicans and their vast NRA lobby support, it doesn’t seem many on this board really want that to change, regardless of all the “sadness”.
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I've yet to hear one proposal from anyone that is both constitutional and would actually accomplish the goal of ending or greatly reducing murder or mass casualty events.
 
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Ostatedchi said:
I've yet to hear one proposal from anyone that is both constitutional and would actually accomplish the goal of ending or greatly reducing murder or mass casualty events.
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How bout a ban on bump stocks and Gatling attachments, and a strict limit on magazines?
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
How bout a ban on bump stocks and Gatling attachments, and a strict limit on magazines?
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I'd be against a limit on magazine size.

Even if technically legal by the letter of the law, I think bump stocks and other such attachments that make a semi-auto rifle into a virtual fully automatic rifle already violate the spirit of the law and am open to the law being restructured to better define what fully automatic means. I think that's constitutional. No problem. However, that will do virtually nothing in the grand scheme to eliminate or greatly reduce the mass casualty events.
 
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Ostatedchi said:
However, that will do virtually nothing in the grand scheme to eliminate or greatly reduce the mass casualty events.
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You’re telling me that the Las Vegas shooter would’ve inflicted the same amount of damage if his rifles didn’t have bump stocks?
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
You’re telling me that the Las Vegas shooter would’ve inflicted the same amount of damage if his rifles didn’t have bump stocks?
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Other than putting more lead in the air and being less accurate, yes. There is ample reason to believe that the use of the bump stock actually resulted in less casualties due to fewer actual bullets on target. Of course, there is always the belt loop method to do what he did with no actual attachment. Going to ban belt loops too?

Like I said, any attachment that virtually converts a semi into a fully automatic is open to being classified as fully auto and regulated as such.
 
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Ostatedchi said:
Other than putting more lead in the air and being less accurate, yes. There is ample reason to believe that the use of the bump stock actually resulted in less casualties due to fewer actual bullets on target.
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22,000 people in close proximity. You don’t have to be a marksman with that.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
22,000 people in close proximity. You don’t have to be a marksman with that.
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I agree. But your position isn't conclusive. I'd have to see the final report to make a fully informed opinion. It could have upped the casualty count. It could have reduced it. You are making a stance and I'm saying it can't be determined from the available data.
 
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windriverrange said:
There use to be a gun range in the basement of Gallagher Hall back in the day. In ROTC we fired .22's down there in 1979.
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Hell sonny, I fired down there in '64!:D

True ROTC story; our gun range sgt. looked like a bulldog and was about as nice. We were down there getting ready to shoot. The commands then were - ready on the left, ready on the right; commence firing. Sgt. gives the first two, but before he gave the last, some poor bastard fired a shot. Memorable ass-chewing!!
 
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syskatine said:
No, what we're arguing before you just changed the topic is whether the guns kill people. Of course they do. We all intuitively understand that certain weapons actually do kill people. Our laws reflect the reality that many weapons kill people, but for some reason guns don't. I'll tell you the reason: NRA messaging, pure and simple.
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squeak said:
Burn
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How is that a burn exactly? So he’s just gonna do nothing with control of the House and Senate now I’m trying to understand how that’s actually an impressive statement by Humpty Trumpty.

He’s just gonna stand idle and trash tweet in the exact same situation instead of stepping up and doing something.


Yup...solid burn there lol.



Carry on.
 
Pussyhats gonna Pussyhat

I support mental health initiatives

Banning guns

Hell no

If you support that you support disarming law abiding citizens.

It’s that simple.

They are the only ones that will be affected.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
How is that a burn exactly? So he’s just gonna do nothing with control of the House and Senate now I’m trying to understand how that’s actually an impressive statement by Humpty Trumpty.

He’s just gonna stand idle and trash tweet in the exact same situation instead of stepping up and doing something.


Yup...solid burn there lol.



Carry on.
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Not sure what he’s gonna do. I know what your team didn’t do.

Carry on.
 
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AC2017 said:
How many of you who were in high school in the 80's had a gun rack with a shotgun in the back window of your truck parked safely in the parking lot?

I don't remember the school shooting problem then that we have today (though I do remember a bomb threat or two).

A lot has changed. The problem might be much deeper than a knee-jerk reaction to fire arms.

I might not agree with everything in the following column, as it paints some aspects of life 30 years ago with a broad brush. But it does have a few points worth considering.

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams...m_source=PJMLifestyleFacebook&utm_medium=post
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Said the same thing in another thread. 10 or more pick ups in my high school parking lot and no one pulled them out. Same group, on a Friday night, mostly goat ropers who loved to drink and fight left them in their trucks and fought with fists.
 
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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
How is that a burn exactly? So he’s just gonna do nothing with control of the House and Senate now I’m trying to understand how that’s actually an impressive statement by Humpty Trumpty.

He’s just gonna stand idle and trash tweet in the exact same situation instead of stepping up and doing something.


Yup...solid burn there lol.



Carry on.
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I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. Really.
 
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