If any agreements were made, Congress should know.
I agree with Jeff Flake for once
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I think it is really strange that Trump met with Putin in private.
I'm not saying that anything nefarious went on (although I can't rule it out). But, Trump is a novice as a politician, and Putin is a veteran to the nth degree. In addition, Trump's idiosyncrasies, and weaknesses are well known, whereas Putin's are more mysterious. To think that Putin would not "win" the conversation is being naive. It seems like he would be more likely to manipulate Trump than vice versa.
IMO, the smart move would have been for both men to have other representatives of their government present. In Trump's case, maybe Bolton and Pompeo. It might have protected Trump against saying/agreeing to anything unreasonable.
I'm not saying that anything nefarious went on (although I can't rule it out). But, Trump is a novice as a politician, and Putin is a veteran to the nth degree. In addition, Trump's idiosyncrasies, and weaknesses are well known, whereas Putin's are more mysterious. To think that Putin would not "win" the conversation is being naive. It seems like he would be more likely to manipulate Trump than vice versa.
IMO, the smart move would have been for both men to have other representatives of their government present. In Trump's case, maybe Bolton and Pompeo. It might have protected Trump against saying/agreeing to anything unreasonable.
I disagree. Since everything was done in "private" Trump is free to deny any agreement was made, and free to renege if he decides he got taken for a ride. Historically Trump has had no problem going back on his word. I am a little surprised by the supposed godlike bargaining power you seem to think Putin has. What is the evidence of that? Trump has outmaneuvered the Democrats at every turn. What makes you so concerned that he can't do the same thing to other political leaders?
Give me a little more to go on than that!
Dude can't even fix the mess he made, while standing next to Putin, in a convincing manner.
The rest I spelled out above.
IMO, the Dems are much easier to out-maneuver than Putin.
It feels like a mismatch because of tds. Trump just fell off the turnip truck and his dad’s money broke his fall. He don’t know nothing.
Why do you think he made a mess? I think he is very calculating and got the desired effect with his comments (TDS flare ups).
I’m not meaning to hassle you, but what you spelled out above were a bunch of generalities that really didn’t amount to anything. Can you give a specific or two where Putin has shown extraordinary negotiating skills? I’m not claiming there is no evidence. I just don’t know what it is, and you seem better dialed in on this subject than I. So I’m asking what evidence that might be.
Look up the Corruption Perceptions Index. According to that, Russia is one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Putin has been president/PM for nearly 20 years. You don't run an extremely corrupt country for 2 decades without learning a ton about playing the game and dancing the dance.
Can say the same thing back at you for your opinion. I will say there is a reason he won though. It wasn’t for accidentally saying a bunch of stupid stuff.
No doubt he is a ruthless tyrant in his own country (although, surprising to me he has an 87% approval rating with his own people). That doesn’t necessarily make him a whiz kid at international negotiations, however. Who has he outmaneuvered in the last ten years or so? Again, I’m not denying your claim; I’m just looking for a couple of examples.
One thing I thought of was the gas pipeline to Germany, which Trump railed against. Was that an example of superior negotiating skill over Angela M.? If I concede that one can you point me to any others? (I don’t concede that one; I just thought it might be one you would present.)
trump is so stupid he took on
the United States political system
and became president
think about that
think about your assessment of his
political viability
Been was on the Trump is one of those billionaires that's bad at business train.
What millionaire hasn't immediately become a billionaire, right?
He only deals in logic.
What millionaire hasn't immediately become a billionaire, right?
He only deals in logic.
False alarm, it's all good. He meant to say "NO" important verbal agreements were made, but if there were that'd be okay too, and for now any tariffs between us and Russia will be hard capped at 2% per year increase until 2026 but there were NO verbal agreements made.
I'm just saying that Putin is a heavyweight. Trump is not. That doesn't mean that Trump is stupid.
How would you feel if Hillary was the president? Would she be equal to Putin (in your mind) when it comes to managing international relations?
Do you think Obama was on Putin's level? Because a lot of posters ITT have been telling me that Putin kicked Obama's ass while Obama was in office.
Obama was President for 8 years, so his political acumen must be at least equal to Trump, right?
spoon fed media driven logic
the fact that us armed forces laid waste to 300 russian nationals in syria is obviously not part of beens assessment of trumps ability to handle putin
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1FZ2DZ
cank backed down from 300 goat humpers in benghazi while her ambassador was on the menu for the weine roast
so ya i can say unequivocally cank manages relations differently than trump
otard indeed was a very savvy politician
i give him lots of credit as such as a two term president
i also greatly appreciate him leaving our country in such piss poor position
that ala jimmy carter to reagan
trump was able to step into the vacuum
Well just because you call him a heavyweight that doesn't necessarily make him one. Maybe he is a heavyweight. I just know of no evidence to prove the contention.
If Hillary were President I would be even more sick to my stomach than I am with Trump. I do not think she would be much of a match with anyone. The "reset" button with Russia has tainted her image for me. I greatly appreciated Obama's restraint on the international scale. I don't think he was much of a negotiator, but there were several times he could have been led down the warpath, and I am glad he hesitated. He shot his mouth off about things like a "red line'" but he wisely pulled back when confronted. Some people on this board call it cowardice. I disagree with that assessment, obviously.
I'm not sure how you are defining "political acumen" but I would put Obama and Trump on pretty equal footing as it regards them keeping their bases on board.
So, you believe that Trump was benefited by failures/weakness on the side of the Dems?
@Ponca Dan
Do you believe that Russia poses a bigger threat to the U.S. than they did 20 years ago? 10 years ago? 5 years ago?
Do you believe that Russia poses a bigger threat to the U.S. than they did 20 years ago? 10 years ago? 5 years ago?
No. I read yesterday that the US has over 800 military bases in foreign countries around the world. Russia, according to what I read, has 9. We have completely surrounded Russia with our military might. I do not see Russia as the threat so many others see, not counting their nuclear capability.
Dan, if you survive the purge of counter revolutionaries, you have a spot in the state department of my administration.
Might mention Crimea to him.
I would, but he has me on ignore because I’m and asshole and might tempt him to become one too if he doesn’t.
Yup trump stepped into the same position as Obama did. Lol you’re so full of shit we can smell it through the screen haha
Any thoughts on their annexation of Crimea? No big deal? Nothing to worry about? Not our problem?
Vaguely.
I will clarify.
My take was that he is not as wealthy as he claims to be (although that may have changed due to him benefiting significantly from becoming POTUS). I never said he was bad at business. Just not as good as he wants us to think he is.
My thinking on this is changing, however. Winning the election has put him in position to increase his wealth substantially. Ultimately, his business acumen will be judged on where he ends up in 5 or 10 years, and it looks pretty promising. No one will care where he was in 2016 or what the future might have held for him had he not won the election.
Dude, he turned a couple of million into billions.
You aren't grasping what that takes.
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What number do you want to put in there?
If I gave you two mill you'd eat cheetos and play video games.
He built an empire.
If I gave you two mill you'd eat cheetos and play video games.
He built an empire.
