houston

[Rdcldad]

given the predicted amount of rain

because of the lives at risk and in remembrance of katrina

i'm having a hard time with this thought process and decision making from the mayor

before anyone gets to calling out my monday morning qb'ing i'm on the record in the corral thread

disclaimer it is not my intention to politicize this devastation

i simply and thoroughly disagree with any statements from government leadership advising their constituents who reside in low lying areas and south of downtown not to gtfo of h town.

 

[davidallen]

given the predicted amount of rain

because of the lives at risk and in remembrance of katrina

i'm having a hard time with this thought process and decision making from the mayor

before anyone gets to calling out my monday morning qb'ing i'm on the record in the corral thread

disclaimer it is not my intention to politicize this devastation

i simply and thoroughly disagree with any statements from government leadership advising their constituents who reside in low lying areas and south of downtown not to gtfo of h town.

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Context is kinda important... when was this posted? Anything since that might be important as well?

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Isn't the reason behind his recommendation that around 100 people died trying to evacuate during Katrina which was more than were killed by the hurricane?

 

[Rdcldad]

Context is kinda important... when was this posted? Anything since that might be important as well?

reading the time stamp at the bottom of the tweet

it says 1:49pm aug 25

 

[Rdcldad]

Isn't the reason behind his recommendation that around 100 people died trying to evacuate during Katrina which was more than were killed by the hurricane?

not logical

 

[Been Jammin]

given the predicted amount of rain

because of the lives at risk and in remembrance of katrina

i'm having a hard time with this thought process and decision making from the mayor

before anyone gets to calling out my monday morning qb'ing i'm on the record in the corral thread

disclaimer it is not my intention to politicize this devastation

i simply and thoroughly disagree with any statements from government leadership advising their constituents who reside in low lying areas and south of downtown not to gtfo of h town.

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Maybe there is more to their recommendations than can be discerned from 1 tweet. It is possible that the people who make such decisions actually know what they are doing, and are good at their jobs.

Then again, at least 5 deaths have already occurred, so maybe not.

 

[Rdcldad]

it's an adventure right now

2 more feet of rain and 48 more hours and this thing will deteriorate exponentially

wonder if this guy wishes he would have been advised to pack a carload of stuff and head north?

 

[Rdcldad]

oh wait guess this other guy in charge decided with an 90 minutes of daylight left and a good panic going
he was gonna start some mandatory evac
in these two low spots

 

[Rdcldad]

It is possible that the people who make such decisions actually know what they are doing, and are good at their jobs

been i give you three words

weapons of mass destruction

 

[davidallen]

reading the time stamp at the bottom of the tweet

it says 1:49pm aug 25

So before landfall? With only say 150 tweets and retweets, several news conferences, dozens of official communications after? Odd that you pick this as something to call out and discuss...

 

[xplor58]

Evidently during Allison they did call for an evac of the city. People were stuck in traffic for days I believe. Folks ran out of gas sitting in the freeways because it would take like 8 hours to go one or two exits

Remember also that like two days before Harvey was supposed to come ashore they were saying it would only be a tropical storm. It is not like it was offshore for a week or so building to a large hurricane as usually happens.

If they had called for evacuations on Thursday night or Friday morning and folks were caught in the freeway like before then i am sure there would be bodies floating on the parts of freeways where there is only water now.

 

[Rdcldad]

So before landfall? With only say 150 tweets and retweets, several news conferences, dozens of official communications after? Odd that you pick this as something to call out and discuss...

even more odd your only contribution to this thread is asking for context, when it was posted and now commenting on the oddity of what i perceive to be irresponsible government decision making

 

[Rdcldad]

Evidently during Allison they did call for an evac of the city. People were stuck in traffic for days I believe. Folks ran out of gas sitting in the freeways because it would take like 8 hours to go one or two exits

Remember also that like two days before Harvey was supposed to come ashore they were saying it would only be a tropical storm. It is not like it was offshore for a week or so building to a large hurricane as usually happens.

If they had called for evacuations on Thursday night or Friday morning and folks were caught in the freeway like before then i am sure there would be bodies floating on the parts of freeways where there is only water now.

evacs of low lying and at risk people would be nothing short of prudent imo

 

[Been Jammin]

Turner defended his thought process in a press conference, and I think he made the right call. Paraphrasing...he said that there are over 6 million people in Houston, and calling for evacuation would have resulted in severe gridlock on all northbound streets/highways. People are better off hunkering down in their homes, then to be stuck on the highway, with limited food/water, when the floodwaters come.

Considering the population and devastation, with only 5 deaths so far, he may have handled the situation properly.

 

[Headhunter]

Evacuation of a city the size of Houston is basically impossible, Houston is a nightmare for traffic without an emergency.

The city should have an emergency plan in place for places that were most likely to flood the fastest and evacuated those areas especially places like hospitals and nursing homes.

 

[Ponca Dan]

given the predicted amount of rain

because of the lives at risk and in remembrance of katrina

i'm having a hard time with this thought process and decision making from the mayor

before anyone gets to calling out my monday morning qb'ing i'm on the record in the corral thread

disclaimer it is not my intention to politicize this devastation

i simply and thoroughly disagree with any statements from government leadership advising their constituents who reside in low lying areas and south of downtown not to gtfo of h town.

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I am given to understand that much of Houston's sewer system is run beneath the streets. The streets are supposed to be designed as the water runoff during rainstorms. The sewer systems are 1) years behind in construction, leaving nowhere for the water to drain, and 2) not capable of handling that amount if rain anyway. So if someone tries to escape via the street they are in far more danger of being swept up by the flood waters than if the climbed onto the roof of their house. That is probably why the mayor is urging people to avoid the street.

 

[Been Jammin]

I am given to understand that much of Houston's sewer system is run beneath the streets. The streets are supposed to be designed as the water runoff during rainstorms. The sewer systems are 1) years behind in construction, leaving nowhere for the water to drain, and 2) not capable of handling that amount if rain anyway. So if someone tries to escape via the street they are in far more danger of being swept up by the flood waters than if the climbed onto the roof of their house. That is probably why the mayor is urging people to avoid the street.

I'm pretty sure there are not many cities that could handle the kind of rain Houston has received, without significant flooding.

 

[Rdcldad]

Evacuation of a city the size of Houston is basically impossible, Houston is a nightmare for traffic without an emergency.

The city should have an emergency plan in place for places that were most likely to flood the fastest and evacuated those areas especially places like hospitals and nursing homes.

Turner defended his thought process in a press conference, and I think he made the right call. Paraphrasing...he said that there are over 6 million people in Houston, and calling for evacuation would have resulted in severe gridlock on all northbound streets/highways. People are better off hunkering down in their homes, then to be stuck on the highway, with limited food/water, when the floodwaters come.

Considering the population and devastation, with only 5 deaths so far, he may have handled the situation properly.

been

i'd ask that you re-read my original post
and headhunters post that you liked
before you start reading into my position

the issue is not a hurricane andrew wind event on homestead

it is flooding and 48inches of rain was a widely accepted prediction

 

[Rdcldad]

Turner defended his thought process in a press conference, and I think he made the right call. Paraphrasing...he said that there are over 6 million people in Houston, and calling for evacuation would have resulted in severe gridlock on all northbound streets/highways. People are better off hunkering down in their homes, then to be stuck on the highway, with limited food/water, when the floodwaters come.

Considering the population and devastation, with only 5 deaths so far, he may have handled the situation properly.

i guess i'll let you, the mayor and the emit dude be right

for me i'd have evaluated my options and if i was living near md anderson and buffalo bayou my junk would been in the trunk and on the road the first second i knew 4 ft of water was gonna fall

if my mom was down there they wouldn't have been picking her 90 year old self out of 3ft of water and taking her and fifi on a boat ride

 

[imprimis]

There are going to be many problems associated with that amount of water. Be prepared for diseases from the sewer system being inundated with flood waters. Lots of animal corpses in the receding waters...when they begin receding.

 

[Rdcldad]

There are going to be many problems associated with that amount of water. Be prepared for diseases from the sewer system being inundated with flood waters. Lots of animal corpses in the receding waters...when they begin receding.

oh no doubt

wait til the sun starts beating down and the hurricane party fun wears off

 

[Been Jammin]

i guess i'll let you, the mayor and the emit dude be right

for me i'd have evaluated my options and if i was living near md anderson and buffalo bayou my junk would been in the trunk and on the road the first second i knew 4 ft of water was gonna fall

if my mom was down there they wouldn't have been picking her 90 year old self out of 3ft of water and taking her and fifi on a boat ride

Sure. If you are in a low lying area prone to flooding, it is smart to GTFO. But, if the local government recommends evacuation of the entire city, the potential is there for compounding potential issues. Do we know for sure that people in low lying areas were not encouraged to seek higher ground prior to the storm, or at least warned that they were in a dangerous situation?

 

[Been Jammin]

been

i'd ask that you re-read my original post
and headhunters post that you liked
before you start reading into my position

the issue is not a hurricane andrew wind event on homestead

it is flooding and 48inches of rain was a widely accepted prediction

Did I read into your position?

 

[Rdcldad]

Sure. If you are in a low lying area prone to flooding, it is smart to GTFO. But, if the local government recommends evacuation of the entire city, the potential is there for compounding potential issues. Do we know for sure that people in low lying areas were not encouraged to seek higher ground prior to the storm, or at least warned that they were in a dangerous situation?

no been i think people were advised to reposition their furniture just in case

while 40+ inches of rain was widely accepted forecast

 

[aix_xpert]

I don't know if it was the right decision, but at least he owned it and had a logical reason for making the statement. I can respect that even if I may not agree with it.

 

[WCPoke]

Turner defended his thought process in a press conference, and I think he made the right call. Paraphrasing...he said that there are over 6 million people in Houston, and calling for evacuation would have resulted in severe gridlock on all northbound streets/highways. People are better off hunkering down in their homes, then to be stuck on the highway, with limited food/water, when the floodwaters come.

Considering the population and devastation, with only 5 deaths so far, he may have handled the situation properly.

Mandatory evacuation of 6 million people = not a good idea. Mandatory evacuation of people in flood prone areas in advance of a predicted severe rain event = good idea.

 

[CBradSmith]

no been i think people were advised to reposition their furniture just in case

while 40+ inches of rain was widely accepted forecast

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Wtf?!

 

[imprimis]

oh no doubt

wait til the sun starts beating down and the hurricane party fun wears off

Really. I've been through 5 hurricanes and none of them have been this bad. It always gets worse before it gets better. The mosquitoes were the worst. After Celia, 1970 Corpus Christi, the pharmacist at the Naval Air Station gave us garlic pills to swallow. We smelled like garlic (among the smells from working in the sun and no showers) but no mosquitoes bit us after the 2nd night.

 

[CBradSmith]

How is the Army Corp of Engineers not prepared for likely flood levels given spill saturation? I'm a little shocked and how inadequate the planning and strategy infrastructure is in this situation.

*flood level projections given soil saturation and forecasted rainfall.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Houston is gridlocked in good weather, imagine trying with a frenzied evacuation.

Many of those people can't just get up and drive out, either. It hit me yesterday for the first time what they';re really dealing with when CNN ran the footage 50 times of the old man being pulled out of his house. There are no good options.

But okay, evacuate the elderly, the shut-ins, the vulnerable and the people in the low lying areas -- where do you evacuate them to? It's a helluva task to get them somewhere to stay.

I'm sitting here wondering why there isn't some master drainage plan to get massive amounts of water drained down to the gulf. Maybe there is, but nothing can handle 4' of rain. I don't know if there's a city in the world that can handle 4 feet of rain. Venice maybe.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Trump Rolls Back Obama-Era Flood Standards For Infrastructure Projects

 

[Rdcldad]

Trump Rolls Back Obama-Era Flood Standards For Infrastructure Projects

this article has nothing to do with the thread
evacuate this crap feel free to start your own

 

[jkosu]

I'm sitting here wondering why there isn't some master drainage plan to get massive amounts of water drained down to the gulf. Maybe there is, but nothing can handle 4' of rain. I don't know if there's a city in the world that can handle 4 feet of rain. Venice maybe.

Another factor (not mentioned as much as the rain) that's causing these drainage issues is that the storm pushed a ton of storm surge water out of the gulf and up into Galveston Bay. The winds are keeping enough of it in place that there's no room for the water coming down the creeks and storm drains. Add to that all the rain that's fallen directly on the bay.....that alone would take some time to filter back out into the gulf via the gaps at either end of Galveston island.

 

[TPOKE]

If you live somewhere that's forecasted to have 80 mph sustained winds and 40 inches of rain and you need the gov't to let you know if you should stay or go, you're an idiot.

But, if you leave, there's a chance someone is going to steal all your stuff.

 

[Medic007]

i guess i'll let you, the mayor and the emit dude be right

for me i'd have evaluated my options and if i was living near md anderson and buffalo bayou my junk would been in the trunk and on the road the first second i knew 4 ft of water was gonna fall

if my mom was down there they wouldn't have been picking her 90 year old self out of 3ft of water and taking her and fifi on a boat ride

Hurricane Rita says hello. More than 100 deaths caused by evacuation compared to 5 so far. Nightmare would have been worse case on freeways full of cars that are underwater now. Sometimes a memory of terrible tragedy pays off.

 

[Rdcldad]

Hurricane Rita says hello. More than 100 deaths caused by evacuation compared to 5 so far. Nightmare would have been worse case on freeways full of cars that are underwater now. Sometimes a memory of terrible tragedy pays off.

apples and oranges

 

[davidallen]

apples and oranges

In hindsight maybe... Then again not.

 

[JimmyBob]

apples and oranges

Bullshit!

 

[Medic007]

apples and oranges

Easy for a keyboard warrior. Not as easy for people like me that deal with good and bad decisions. The real frustration should be with the governor of Texas who has activated only 3,000 National Guard instead of the 15,000 at his disposal. But I'm sure a keyboard warrior knows better than the boots on the ground.

Signed,
Katrina and Rita veteran

 

[squeak]

We need to steal the Texans.

Never waste a good crisis, am I right?