Hong Kong

[Syskatine]

One of my favorite liberto-anarchy-capitalist-lalalalalemonmarket posters brought up Hong Kong.

So what are these people supposed to do??

Presumably the last thing they want is tanks and shit destroying their home. A city like that is very vulnerable on many levels.

I can't think of enough valid options to generate a poll. It's a fascinating development that I'm surprised isn't a bigger topic.

 

[Medic007]

One of my favorite liberto-anarchy-capitalist-lalalalalemonmarket posters brought up Hong Kong.

So what are these people supposed to do??

Presumably the last thing they want is tanks and shit destroying their home. A city like that is very vulnerable on many levels.

I can't think of enough valid options to generate a poll. It's a fascinating development that I'm surprised isn't a bigger topic.

It's the usual leftist/socialist/communist crackdown on pro-democracy people who love freedom. We've seen this happen numerous times throughout history. What would you like to discuss?

 

[Syskatine]

Ok flailey. Never set that incel a.m. radio overlay down. Something i can't get off of 20 minutes of shitty right wing radio would be nice for a change.



E1 watch -- this deal can get out of control and become a wild event people are talking about for a long time. Hell this is the narrative right wingers have been fretting about since forever and it's a blueprint for resisting authoritarianism in the tech age. It's David vs. Goliath and MAGA is like... we don't really give a shit, we haven't heard a narrative yet.

 

[CBradSmith]

Ok flailey. Never set that incel a.m. radio overlay down. Something i can't get off of 20 minutes of shitty right wing radio would be nice for a change.



E1 watch -- this deal can get out of control and become a wild event people are talking about for a long time. Hell this is the narrative right wingers have been fretting about since forever and it's a blueprint for resisting authoritarianism in the tech age. It's David vs. Goliath and MAGA is like... we don't really give a shit, we haven't heard a narrative yet.

Everybody with a brain knows this is where Leftist governments go.

 

[wyomingosualum]

So what are these people supposed to do??

Good question. You have an unarmed populace who doesn’t want government oppression. They are screwed, I think.

 

[Medic007]

Ok flailey. Never set that incel a.m. radio overlay down. Something i can't get off of 20 minutes of shitty right wing radio would be nice for a change.



E1 watch -- this deal can get out of control and become a wild event people are talking about for a long time. Hell this is the narrative right wingers have been fretting about since forever and it's a blueprint for resisting authoritarianism in the tech age. It's David vs. Goliath and MAGA is like... we don't really give a shit, we haven't heard a narrative yet.

Sorry to hurt your feelers, incelkatine. Your politics and preferred form of government have been murderous and oppressive throughout history. It's just not compatible with freedom. Here's yet another example.

 

[SMemmett]

This message board sucks

 

[wyomingosualum]

This message board sucks

Can you be more specific?

 

[okcpokefan12]

This message board sucks

Not as bad as you

 

[Syskatine]

Good question. You have an unarmed populace who doesn’t want government oppression. They are screwed, I think.

Well that's my point. Last thing anybody -- china, HK -- is for shooting to start. All that capital... poof. I'm thinking both sides have way more effective weapons. How long does HK or beijing or 50 other chinese cities last without electricity or gas? You think china would actually roll in with naked force? If so, HK can inflict tremendous damage just with sabotage. I don't think they sit back and play defense and fight on HK soil. At least, I wouldn't. Just curious how this deal games out in this era.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

One of my favorite liberto-anarchy-capitalist-lalalalalemonmarket posters brought up Hong Kong.

So what are these people supposed to do??

Presumably the last thing they want is tanks and shit destroying their home. A city like that is very vulnerable on many levels.

I can't think of enough valid options to generate a poll. It's a fascinating development that I'm surprised isn't a bigger topic.

That you got through that OP and didn't blame Trump is a friggin miracle.

What's that crap, oh yeah, BRONZED.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

A curious aside...
Many of the Hong Kong protesters are waving American flags, and no one is calling them white nationalists.

Boom!

 

[Syskatine]

Cannot have a discussion about anythign without the incel MAGA prism being imposed.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Cannot have a discussion about anythign without the incel MAGA prism being imposed.

I do not think the Chinese dictators want to cause death or destruction in Hong Kong. But I do think they will cause all the death and destruction they think is necessary to maintain their iron-fisted control of the people. It didn’t bother them to watch 500,000 to 1,000,000 of their citizens starve to death, so Hong Kong will seem like small potatoes.

 

[Medic007]

Cannot have a discussion about anythign without the incel MAGA prism being imposed.

Calling out the oppressive communist China regime and similar ideology for what they are is incel MAGA prism? Interesting. I can see where you're uncomfortable. Sorry, not sorry. Freedom is awesome.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Everybody with a brain knows this is where Leftist governments go.

 

[Syskatine]

I do not think the Chinese dictators want to cause death or destruction in Hong Kong. But I do think they will cause all the death and destruction they think is necessary to maintain their iron-fisted control of the people. It didn’t bother them to watch 500,000 to 1,000,000 of their citizens starve to death, so Hong Kong will seem like small potatoes.

I think the optics are too bad for that in this day and age, but we'll see. They and that ideology are capable of anything, I'll give you that. Another reason to disengage from asian lunacy.

If they do apply martial law you gotta think HK would have some leadership emerge that would attack PRC's infrastructure, particularly their cities. Maybe I'm wrong, but HK could inflict such massive damage on China's infrastructure that the price of subjugation could just be too much. Just orchestrate general rail or airport shutdown, electrical sabotage, spiking beijing's water... right? Am i missing something? Judicious, cheap, "soft" force and sabotage could impose huge cost to china if china imposes force?

 

[Syskatine]

Which, if implemented, should be called "The Hong Kong Phooey."

 

[Ponca Dan]

I think the optics are too bad for that in this day and age, but we'll see. They and that ideology are capable of anything, I'll give you that. Another reason to disengage from asian lunacy.

If they do apply martial law you gotta think HK would have some leadership emerge that would attack PRC's infrastructure, particularly their cities. Maybe I'm wrong, but HK could inflict such massive damage on China's infrastructure that the price of subjugation could just be too much. Just orchestrate general rail or airport shutdown, electrical sabotage, spiking beijing's water... right? Am i missing something? Judicious, cheap, "soft" force and sabotage could impose huge cost to china if china imposes force?

You are obviously more knowledgeable about Chinese politics/government. I was unaware that Hong Kong has such leverage over the mainland. I would still maintain, however, that continuing power and control by the communist leadership will trump any threat Hong Kong may pose towards China’s infrastructure. They could (and probably would) use slave labor to rebuild the damage. I doubt there’s any amount of violence the government would reject if it felt its authority was questioned. After all, what’s the good of a dictatorship if you can’t dictate?

 

[OUSOONER67]

This message board sucks

 

[Ponca Dan]

Which, if implemented, should be called "The Hong Kong Phooey."

Sys, I stumbled onto this. I think you will find it as fascinating as I do.


https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/...-in-hong-kong-my-interview-with-atlantico-fr/

 

[iasooner1]

All of those folks are adapt at the nunchucku and those flinging star dealios; they'll be fine

With your avatar syssie, you should be jumping right in there as well

 

[wyomingosualum]

All of those folks are adapt at the nunchucku and those flinging star dealios; they'll be fine

With your avatar syssie, you should be jumping right in there as well

Sorry @JimmyBob but I beat you to it:

 

[iasooner1]

I nailed that blonde chick back in '75 after that show (in my dreams)

 

[jkosu]

I think the optics are too bad for that in this day and age, but we'll see. They and that ideology are capable of anything, I'll give you that. Another reason to disengage from asian lunacy.

If they do apply martial law you gotta think HK would have some leadership emerge that would attack PRC's infrastructure, particularly their cities. Maybe I'm wrong, but HK could inflict such massive damage on China's infrastructure that the price of subjugation could just be too much. Just orchestrate general rail or airport shutdown, electrical sabotage, spiking beijing's water... right? Am i missing something? Judicious, cheap, "soft" force and sabotage could impose huge cost to china if china imposes force?

China gives exactly two craps about optics if it runs contrary to their goals. They’ll spend billions on Olympics, but running over people with tanks is just another day in protecting the supremacy of the state. They are running a damn-near war on ethnic minorities in the far off provinces in this day and age and don’t even act embarrassed about it. Remember when they rammed one of our P-3 Orions operating in International waters in 2001?

I doubt anyone in Hong Kong or Washington will be doing any sort of successful cyber warfare against China anytime soon - the PRC has been attempting to control the flow of information into and out of the country for some time - they even managed to break some of our super encrypted networks used to communicate with our intelligence assets in country and liquidate said assets. They are extremely adept with reverse engineering both hardware and software; no doubt they have been acquiring recovered examples of both.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I doubt anyone in Hong Kong or Washington will be doing any sort of successful cyber warfare against China anytime soon.

Oh, you can be assured that the US watches everything they do. We could shut them down at any time.

 

[Syskatine]

He made some good points dan.

 

[JimmyBob]

I nailed that blonde chick back in '75 after that show (in my dreams)

Sloppy seconds; I got her at the Fox.

 

[JimmyBob]

Sorry @JimmyBob but I beat you to it:

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Damn Mr. G; you win! Remember the song - now - but wouldn't have for this thread.

 

[MegaPoke]

 

[MegaPoke]

 

[NipponPoke]

To our American minds, we can't imagine not having a firearm to protect ourselves against an oppressive government. But it might surprise you how we think differently from many other nations. Certainly surprised me.

I experienced both the 2010 protests and 2014 coup d'état in Thailand. Gun ownership is legal in Thailand and an average of 1 in 10 Thai's own a gun. In fact, Thailand averages more gun deaths per 100,000 people than the United States.

I remember in 2010, the Thai government gave orders to fire on any redshirt protesters caught committing vandalism. Soldiers lined up on the train platforms and fired on protesters from above. In total 91 people were gunned down. The meditation center next door to my office was a triage center for many of the killed and wounded.

Surprisingly to me, few protesters fought back. I don't know if they felt outnumbered or had problems firing on the military. Whatever it was, most of the military injuries were from friendly fire or a few grenade attacks from a few protesters.

I'm really curious what Americans would actually do if this happened here. I know we talk a big game but would Americans actually have the guts to load up and fight back? If anyone would, I think it would be us but it's hard to say when left to pure speculation.

 

[Ponca Dan]

To our American minds, we can't imagine not having a firearm to protect ourselves against an oppressive government. But it might surprise you how we think differently from many other nations. Certainly surprised me.

I experienced both the 2010 protests and 2014 coup d'état in Thailand. Gun ownership is legal in Thailand and an average of 1 in 10 Thai's own a gun. In fact, Thailand averages more deaths per 100,000 people than the United States.

I remember in 2010, the Thai government gave orders to fire on any redshirt protesters caught committing vandalism. Soldiers lined up on the train platforms and fired on protesters from above. In total 91 people were gunned down. The meditation center next door to my office was a triage center for many of the killed and wounded.

Surprisingly to me, few protesters fought back. I don't know if they felt outnumbered or had problems firing on the military. Whatever it was, most of the military injuries were from friendly fire or a few grenade attacks from a few protesters.

I'm really curious what Americans would actually do if this happened here. I know we talk a big game but would Americans actually have the guts to load up and fight back? If anyone would, I think it would be us but it's hard to say when left to pure speculation.

A complementary question: would American military men be willing to line up and fire on American citizens? I suppose Kent State gives us our answer.

 

[aix_xpert]

Ok flailey. Never set that incel a.m. radio overlay down. Something i can't get off of 20 minutes of shitty right wing radio would be nice for a change.

Says the walking Rachel Maddow echo machine.

 

[Syskatine]

Says the walking Rachel Maddow echo machine.

Nice try. She has her points but I can't watch her. You gotta quit believing what feels good and go with some facts.

 

[Medic007]

She has her points but I can't watch her.

 

[MegaPoke]

To our American minds, we can't imagine not having a firearm to protect ourselves against an oppressive government. But it might surprise you how we think differently from many other nations. Certainly surprised me.

I experienced both the 2010 protests and 2014 coup d'état in Thailand. Gun ownership is legal in Thailand and an average of 1 in 10 Thai's own a gun. In fact, Thailand averages more gun deaths per 100,000 people than the United States.

I remember in 2010, the Thai government gave orders to fire on any redshirt protesters caught committing vandalism. Soldiers lined up on the train platforms and fired on protesters from above. In total 91 people were gunned down. The meditation center next door to my office was a triage center for many of the killed and wounded.

Surprisingly to me, few protesters fought back. I don't know if they felt outnumbered or had problems firing on the military. Whatever it was, most of the military injuries were from friendly fire or a few grenade attacks from a few protesters.

I'm really curious what Americans would actually do if this happened here. I know we talk a big game but would Americans actually have the guts to load up and fight back? If anyone would, I think it would be us but it's hard to say when left to pure speculation.

Obviously not all gun owners would. I personally haven’t thought beyond civil disobedience and going to jail rather than selling out. But if it came to fighting who really knows?

If there are 100,000,000 gun owners and 1% organized and fought back that would still be a massive indigenous guerrilla force that the flyover population would overwhelmingly support, feed and hide. Decades of war have created tons of trained combat vets who could help organize and lead a very real resistance.

If you think Vietnam or Afghanistan were tough to subdue, this would be far beyond that.

Additionally, no chance the US military doesn’t splinter over an order to fire on citizens.

It’s happened before. It’s crazy to think it couldn’t happen again.

My opinion, no federal confiscation laws would be enforced at the state and local level away from the coasts and big cities. Sanctuary cities and states. And optimistically perhaps this triggers a convention of states to reset the Constitution.