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Hello? Anyone here? Anybody heard about this Matt Gaetz story?

You heard "process crimes" from a talking head explaining away biff's crew's criminal conduct.

Any talking point to defend the cult will work, no matter how dumb.
Nope. Heard it over 30 years ago from a law professor who was also a former US attorney. You’d have heard it too, if you’d gone to a legitimate law school.
 
Do federal investigations usually include $25M dollar shake-downs? And are we sure that he's the one being investigated and not the extortion attempt? I've tried to find sourced content for these accusations, and I'm coming up short. The original NYTimes article is completely sourced anonymously. FoxNews' article sources the extortion attempt (from the guy performing the extortion) but otherwise references the NYTimes article and their own interview with Gaetz who denied everything.

I did find an interesting article on Slate (very left-wing) and it basically says that there is no public evidence of any wrong-doings by Gaetz at this time beyond having an association to a scumbag. And if Slate which was happy to try to draw a short line between Gaetz being a playboy bachelor (which he is) and being a child sex-trafficker, didn't have anything on him, then its clear that at this point, there is no public evidence that he's done anything wrong.


I guess my biggest shock though is that such a #factsonly oriented individual such as @Syskatine originated this thread.
 
Do federal investigations usually include $25M dollar shake-downs? And are we sure that he's the one being investigated and not the extortion attempt? I've tried to find sourced content for these accusations, and I'm coming up short. The original NYTimes article is completely sourced anonymously. FoxNews' article sources the extortion attempt (from the guy performing the extortion) but otherwise references the NYTimes article and their own interview with Gaetz who denied everything.

I did find an interesting article on Slate (very left-wing) and it basically says that there is no public evidence of any wrong-doings by Gaetz at this time beyond having an association to a scumbag. And if Slate which was happy to try to draw a short line between Gaetz being a playboy bachelor (which he is) and being a child sex-trafficker, didn't have anything on him, then its clear that at this point, there is no public evidence that he's done anything wrong.


I guess my biggest shock though is that such a #factsonly oriented individual such as @Syskatine originated this thread.
So, you guys are saying he is absolutely innocent? Perhaps, we should allow the investigation to be completed and let the chips fall where they may. If the felonious activities are proven, then charge him. If not, publicly clear him and let him be.
 
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So, you guys are saying he is absolutely innocent? Perhaps, we should allow the investigation to be completed and let the chips fall where they may. If the felonious activities are proven, then charge him. If not, publicly clear him and let him be.

Where did I say that he was absolutely innocent. You won't find that quote from me. What I said is that there is no public evidence of any wrong-doing, as stated by the liberal rag Slate. And absent such evidence, he's innocent until proven otherwise. But us conservatives were already letting the chips fall. It was a lib that started this thread with the evidence-less supposition of his guilt.
 
So, you guys are saying he is absolutely innocent? Perhaps, we should allow the investigation to be completed and let the chips fall where they may. If the felonious activities are proven, then charge him. If not, publicly clear him and let him be.
You should have replied to the OP with this
 
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So, you guys are saying he is absolutely innocent? Perhaps, we should allow the investigation to be completed and let the chips fall where they may. If the felonious activities are proven, then charge him. If not, publicly clear him and let him be.
I don't know a person that disagrees with that sentiment.

That being said, the continued silence and inaction on Cuomo (and others) is troubling.
 
Do federal investigations usually include $25M dollar shake-downs? And are we sure that he's the one being investigated and not the extortion attempt? I've tried to find sourced content for these accusations, and I'm coming up short. The original NYTimes article is completely sourced anonymously. FoxNews' article sources the extortion attempt (from the guy performing the extortion) but otherwise references the NYTimes article and their own interview with Gaetz who denied everything.

I did find an interesting article on Slate (very left-wing) and it basically says that there is no public evidence of any wrong-doings by Gaetz at this time beyond having an association to a scumbag. And if Slate which was happy to try to draw a short line between Gaetz being a playboy bachelor (which he is) and being a child sex-trafficker, didn't have anything on him, then its clear that at this point, there is no public evidence that he's done anything wrong.


I guess my biggest shock though is that such a #factsonly oriented individual such as @Syskatine originated this thread.
Still waiting on you to back up your strawman statements and argument from last week. Guess you're done. What a surprise.
Nope. Heard it over 30 years ago from a law professor who was also a former US attorney. You’d have heard it too, if you’d gone to a legitimate law school.

Quit lying.

Oh, what the hell. Keep going. I enjoy your legal takes.
 
Still waiting on you to back up your strawman statements and argument from last week. Guess you're done. What a surprise.


Quit lying.

Oh, what the hell. Keep going. I enjoy your legal takes.

Why are you discussing strawmen in the first place. Aren't you a #justthefacts it? I'd call you a guy, but I wouldn't want to mislabel you and hurt your sensitive little feelers.
 
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I don't know a person that disagrees with that sentiment.

That being said, the continued silence and inaction on Cuomo (and others) is troubling.
Cuomo is a different matter. At this point, I tend to believe the women. He should resign ASAP!!! I find it difficult to believe all those women are lying. Just like I believe Trump paid off women to keep quiet.
 
Cuomo is a different matter. At this point, I tend to believe the women. He should resign ASAP!!! I find it difficult to believe all those women are lying. Just like I believe Trump paid off women to keep quiet.
You might be right about Trump.

I do know that the porn actress had to pay court costs because she got caught lying.

Do you believe Joe Biden's accusers?
 
I don't know if I believe Cuomo's accusers or not. Like Trump and Kavenaugh (sp?), I generally don't trust assualt accusations that are raised significantly after the fact. That said, there's a key difference between those cases and Cuomo's that no one talks about. In the former, they were private citizens who held little power of retaliation against an accuser coming out when the event occurred. For example, if Trump sexually assaulted someone in 1999 (as one of the accusers stated) then why wait 20 years to raise it? But with Cuomo, everything he's been accused of has been while he's been in office as one of the most powerful people in NY. Speaking up against him does risk significant retaliation so there is justification in staying quiet. In addition, even if he didn't sexually assault anyone (I personally don't think he did), by his own admission of past actions, he has clearly committed workplace sexual harassments multiple times over.
 
I confess I haven’t followed the scandal as closely as you. So I’m not real sure what crime he has been convicted of or what charges have been brought.

But I have a question for you, Sys. Remember when Barney Frank was one of the most powerful members of the House, and it turned out he was involved in a two-year long affair with a gay prostitute that ran a prostitution ring out of Barney’s living quarters? Do you remember how he escaped punishment by admitting to the affair but insisted he had no knowledge of his lover’s profession, or that his home was being used for illegal purposes? And how his admission and concurrent denial allowed him to escape punishment from his fellow Representatives?

My question is this: if Gaetz admits he was banging 18 year old prostitutes, but insists he didn’t know they were prostitutes do you suppose the scandal will die away as quickly and easily as it did for Barney Frank?
 
I confess I haven’t followed the scandal as closely as you. So I’m not real sure what crime he has been convicted of or what charges have been brought.

But I have a question for you, Sys. Remember when Barney Frank was one of the most powerful members of the House, and it turned out he was involved in a two-year long affair with a gay prostitute that ran a prostitution ring out of Barney’s living quarters? Do you remember how he escaped punishment by admitting to the affair but insisted he had no knowledge of his lover’s profession, or that his home was being used for illegal purposes? And how his admission and concurrent denial allowed him to escape punishment from his fellow Representatives?

My question is this: if Gaetz admits he was banging 18 year old prostitutes, but insists he didn’t know they were prostitutes do you suppose the scandal will die away as quickly and easily as it did for Barney Frank?
I thought he resigned?
 
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