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She'll grow to hate it, but that hate will lead to "need." Don't worry.Originally posted by Colorado_Poke:
After several years of resisting, the Mrs. finally agreed to begin watching GOT. 5 episodes into the first season and she doesn't hate it, but she still doesn't like it yet either. Fingers crossed for a change of heart.
I have to disagree with point 2. If you noticed Mance looked at Rattleshirt several times while the burning happened. I also thought that in the books Melisandre had used a trick or spell to make Mance look like Rattleshirt and in fact they didn't burn Mance but Rattleshirt.******* SPOILERS FOR NON BOOK READERS STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T READ BOOK 5
Originally posted by Been Jammin:
A couple of things stood out to me from that episode. (stop reading if you haven't read all 5 books, but plan to).
2). It sure looks to me like HBO killed off Mance Rayder (as opposed to Melisandre using her powers to substitute the Lord of Bones). I was watching for any hint that he was not actually Mance, and there was not anything suggesting that to be the case. I think that kind of sucks because the story of Able and his Washerwomen and The Ghost of Winterfell was one of my favorite parts of DWD. But, I can understand why they did it. The whole thing with Mance/Abel was masterfully done in the books, but would have been very confusing to the viewer.
You are correct about what happened in the book. However, in the book, there were hints about what had happened. First, Rattleshirt challenged Jon to a fight in the yard. Jon noted that he fought like someone much bigger and stronger than he appeared to be (Mance was much more physically imposing than rattleshirt). Secondly, when he was burning, Rattleshirt started babbling about not being the king in the north and about people not seeing what they thought they were seeing...which was when Jon shot him with the arrow. At the time, we thought Jon was showing mercy, but Jon knew about the illusion, and was likely shutting Rattleshirt up before he revealed the truth.Originally posted by JonnyVito:
I have to disagree with point 2. If you noticed Mance looked at Rattleshirt several times while the burning happened. I also thought that in the books Melisandre had used a trick or spell to make Mance look like Rattleshirt and in fact they didn't burn Mance but Rattleshirt.******* SPOILERS FOR NON BOOK READERS STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T READ BOOK 5
Originally posted by Been Jammin:
A couple of things stood out to me from that episode. (stop reading if you haven't read all 5 books, but plan to).
2). It sure looks to me like HBO killed off Mance Rayder (as opposed to Melisandre using her powers to substitute the Lord of Bones). I was watching for any hint that he was not actually Mance, and there was not anything suggesting that to be the case. I think that kind of sucks because the story of Able and his Washerwomen and The Ghost of Winterfell was one of my favorite parts of DWD. But, I can understand why they did it. The whole thing with Mance/Abel was masterfully done in the books, but would have been very confusing to the viewer.
Did that make sense?
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The Sansa / Littlefinger story line is way out in front of the books. They are basically at the end of book five now. One of the theories out there is the Littlefinger is taking her to Winterfell where she will basically assume the fake Arya storyline. I'm assuming that would be Littlefinger's ultimate betrayal. Seems very far fetched to me but if you look at one of the teaser's she appears to be in the Witerfell crept.
Agreed. That is what he is all about. I guess I can see him using Sansa to gain Bolton as an ally, but only if he was sure that he had the upper hand and that Sansa would not come to any harm.Originally posted by Cowpoke:
Wherever it is, it is to gain Littlefinger power.
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100% agree. I don't think he loves Sansa either, has the hots for her maybe, but not love. I don't know if he is capable of love period, even with Cat I think it was more of an infatuation than real love.Originally posted by JonnyVito:
I have this feeling that Littlefinger is a brutal human with hopes to have a castle that is respected so he can marry someone of very high importance with a possibility to gain the throne or all the political power. I think after Catelyn Stark died so did any love in his heart. I think everything we see him do after that point is for revenge on those who killed her and to gain all the power in the kingdom and as we know you don't have to be king to gain that control. I honestly don't think he really loves Sansa just likes the memory she provides of Catelyn with the closeness of their looks. I think when it is all said and done we will find out he was one of the most evil people in the series.
It would depend on how they handled it. If they substituted Sansa, but took out most of the abuse Jeyne got from Ramsay, then had Sansa be the ghost of Winterfell (finding clever ways to kill Freys), it would work really well. Then, things could start to go south for her, and Ramsay could start to become brutal...leading to Theon rescuing her.Originally posted by Cowpoke:
100% agree. I don't think he loves Sansa either, has the hots for her maybe, but not love. I don't know if he is capable of love period, even with Cat I think it was more of an infatuation than real love.Originally posted by JonnyVito:
I have this feeling that Littlefinger is a brutal human with hopes to have a castle that is respected so he can marry someone of very high importance with a possibility to gain the throne or all the political power. I think after Catelyn Stark died so did any love in his heart. I think everything we see him do after that point is for revenge on those who killed her and to gain all the power in the kingdom and as we know you don't have to be king to gain that control. I honestly don't think he really loves Sansa just likes the memory she provides of Catelyn with the closeness of their looks. I think when it is all said and done we will find out he was one of the most evil people in the series.
I hope they dont substitute Sansa for Jenny Poole (or whatever her name is). I think that will turn off abunch of viewers as just being an over the top amount of horribleness happening to one character.
However, I can see it happening, as having a fake Arya being sent to Winterfell may be a bit confusing and would take a fair amount of time to set up back in Kings landing, where there are more imprtant things to show.
But, what if he used her to try to consolidate more power for himself, then his plan went awry and she ended up in a bad situation? I think that storyline could be within line of his character. Ultimately, it comes down to 1 big question (already debated in this thread).Originally posted by Air_Thurman:
I think this is the official point where I really stop trying to connect the show and books. I really have a hard time finding a reason LF would hand over Sansa. Sansa is so valuable that I cannot imagine LF would part with for anything.