Going to be interesting to see if Stitt and the tribes

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  1. purkey

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    renegotiate the compacts on the gambling. Don't the tribes ever learn? Can't trust the white man.
     
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    Huh?
     
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    apparently the compacts expire 12/31/20, at least Stitt's says so but the tribes disagree. Stitt wants to renegotiate the compacts and get the state more money...more than the 4% to 10% currently. Stitt says 20% should be the new number. Tribe says the compacts don't expire at the end of the year. So, what we have is someone eyeing a lot of money on the table and going to try to grab it.
     
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    Yep, pale face bad.
    Nevermind he invented 90% of the crap you use daily, but still, pale face bad.
     
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    Hope they tell him to F. O.

    How could there not be a clear expiration date?
     
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    To the Supreme Court we go!
     
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    Being facetious and sarcastic.

    Everyday with the honky bash fest.
    I do get sick of that old favorite hobby horse they roll out.
     
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    the truth is always in degrees....here is a dok article from today....

    TULSA — In a show of unity, leaders of Oklahoma’s Five Civilized Tribes on Friday backed the state’s current gaming compacts and rejected Gov. Kevin Stitt’s call to renegotiate the agreements.

    Leaders of five major Oklahoma tribes also pushed back against Stitt’s assertion that the compacts will expire and not automatically renew on January 1, 2020.

    The Native American tribal leaders believe while there is a window to renegotiate the tribal gaming compacts, the compacts will automatically renew next year if the state and tribes are unable to agree on new terms. Stitt disagrees and has said he believes the contracts must be renegotiated because they will not automatically renew.

    Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Bill John Baker, Chickasaw Nation Gov. Bill Anoatubby, Choctaw Nation Chief Gary Batton, Muscogee (Creek) Nation Principal Chief James Floyd and Seminole Nation Greg Chilcoat signed onto a resolution Friday to reject the state’s attempt to “unlawfully and unilaterally terminate the Compact.” They backed the current fee structure for tribal gaming and said the current compacts reflect a balanced approach between the tribes and state.

    In a joint statement, tribal leaders said they consider the state a trustworthy partner and that Oklahoma and its citizens are better off because of the partnership between the state and the tribes.

    “The recent action of Governor Stitt puts into question his sincerity to work with us in a cooperative manner moving ahead,” they said. “We are resolute in our position, and it is our hope Governor Stitt and his advisors will not attempt any bad faith interference on the compact which could set back the progress we have achieved by working together.”

    Tribal leaders signed onto the resolution at a regular meeting of the Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes in Tulsa. Some tribal leaders have bristled at how Stitt called for renegotiating the compacts — doing so in a Tulsa World opinion piece Monday.

    The unity among the Five Tribes show they could be a force to be reckoned should the impending expiration of the gaming compacts pit the tribes against the state. Leaders of the Five Tribes represent more than 750,000 Native American people.
    Last week, Stitt, who is an enrolled member of the Cherokee Nation, sent letters to leaders of the 35 tribes with which the state has gaming compacts to request the tribes come to the table for negotiations.

    Renegotiating the compacts would allow the state to bargain for a larger portion of tribal gaming revenue above and beyond the 4% to 10% the tribes currently pay out for the exclusive right to operate Class III gaming. Class III gaming includes slot machines, roulette and craps.

    Indian gaming revenues the state receives go to support education, mental health services and state agencies.

    Stitt has made it no secret that he thinks the state should renegotiate the compacts, even bringing up the issue a few times on the campaign trail.
    Oklahoma has taken in $1.54 billion in gaming fees since the exclusivity fees went into effect in 2006. Of the Five Civilized Tribes, the Chickasaws and Choctaws have paid out the most in exclusivity fees in recent years.
     
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    Right off the bat I think the phrase five civilized tribes went out of regular lexicon 20 years ago. That is funny.
     
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    If they hadn't said the compact would last 'as long as the grass grows and the water runs' they wouldn't have this issue. As for me, from where the sun now stands I will gamble no more forever.
     
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    Actually, you're incorrect. It's a thing. The Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes took place in Tulsa yesterday and today. The release is what it came from. You're correct that the use of the word "civilized" is odd. But, it is a thing. Kind of like how Trump is referred to as a Christian. :)
     
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    Not sure how the Tulsa World can’t report when the agreements actually expire. Seems like that should be easily investigated.

    4% to 10% seems extremely cheap for an exclusive right to gaming.
     
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    I think, technically, they don't have to give the state any cut as the operations are taking place on tribal land.
     
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    Like the naacp but you can’t say colored people? I just hadn’t heard it in a long Time.


    Luckily the university of Tulsa has a department dedicated to tribal law. I bet they can’t wait to wade into this. Tribes should throw in an extra percent and call it good. They have money running out of their ears.
     
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    I agree with all of that. Both paragraphs.

    The interesting history is that the Cherokees turned down the US' request to make the Cherokee Strip into the Navajo reservation in the late 1800's because they were not "civilized". That gave way to the land run and the dirty rotten scoundrels...the Sooners.
     
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    They just need to build a couple state owned casinos like Kansas did.
     
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    I looked up the actual compact from the bureau of indian affairs. https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/as-ia/oig/oig/pdf/idc-038412.pdf

    B. This Compact shall have a term which will expire on January 1, 2020, and at that time, if organization licensees or others are authorized to conduct electronic gaming in any form other than pari-mutuel wagering on live horse racing pursuant to any governmental action of the state or court order following the effective date of this Compact, the Compact shall automatically renew for successive additional fifteen-year terms; provided that, within one hundred eighty (1 80) days of the expiration of this Compact or any renewal thereof, either the tribe or the state, acting through its Governor, may request to renegotiate the terms of subsections A and E of Part 11 of 46 this Compact. C. This Compact shall remain in full force and effect until the sooner of expiration of the term or until the Compact is terminated by mutual consent of the parties. D. This Compact may be terminated by state upon thirty (30) days' prior written notice to the tribe in the event of either (1) a material breach by the tribe of the terms of a tobacco Compact with the state as evidenced by a final determination of material breach from the dispute resolution forum agreed upon therein, including exhaustion of all available appellate remedies therefrom, or (2) the tribe's failure to comply with the provisions of Section 346 et seq. of Title 68 of the Oklahoma Statutes, provided that the tribe may cure either default within the thirty-day notice period, or within such additional period as may be reasonably required to cure the default, in order to preserve continuation of this Compact. The state hereby agrees that this subsection is severable from this Compact and shall automatically be severed from this Compact in the event that the United States Department of the Interior determines that these provisions exceed the state's authority under IGR



    So it sounds like it will auto-renew if the bolded provisions are met. That provision seems to read that either side can request a renegotiation. Seems like Stitt has a LOT of power in this situation. Just submit a request to renegotiate and the tribes have to.
     
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    Wrong.
     
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    they'd never miss it. They'll probably put up a fight but cave a little just to get it done and behind them. They may not want to look greedy...maybe.
     
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    So Stitt is correct about negotiation time and the tribes are incorrect?
     
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    I'm no lawyer. But it seems to read that it will only auto-renew if those provisions are met. That being said there may be many other agreements and I've no insight into them.
     
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    I know nothing of this discipline.
    But I've always been lead to believe the stipend to the state is miniscule and pathetic.
    True, or not?
     
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    Approved by voters in 2004, Oklahoma’sState-Tribal Gaming Act created a tribal gaming compact allowing federally recognized American Indian tribes to operate:

    • Electronic bonanza-style bingo games
    • Electronic amusement games
    • Electronic instant bingo games
    • Non house-banked card games
    The current compact expires Jan. 1, 2020.

    The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988 mandates that net revenues of such gaming be directed to tribes for government, economic development and general welfare use; to charitable organizations and to help fund local governments.


    I have no idea what the actual revenue numbers are to the state.

    Compacted tribes also must pay monthly exclusivity fees to the state for both electronic and table games.

    Fees for electronic games:

    • 4 percent of the first $10 million of annual adjusted gross revenues (the total minus prize payouts)
    • 5 percent of the next $10 million of of AGR
    • 6 percent of AGR over $20 million
    Fees for table games:

    • 10 percent of the monthly net win
     
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    Thanks for the timely, detailed response.
    Based on my personal wins and loses, the state should be reaping good bank.
    However, if the state can realize a single point, good.
    Assuming it is indeed going to the underperforming public schools.
    Rock on.
     
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    Figure out a way to get rid of those stupid antes. I won't play any game that requires an ante to risk my own money.

    I know the compacts have been adjusted to allow table games I just don't understand why there are still antes.
     
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    Aren’t we about to get sports betting? Stitt probably wants a chunk of that.
     
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    We need to allow online poker in our negotiations.
     
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    folding for the night
     
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    The five Civilized Nations are civilized because they are easy for white man to sneak up on. "Tribes" is white man talk.

    The Comanches with whom I grew up at Fort Sill are not civilized.

    "Native American" is one born in the Americas. I was born in Haskell County, Oklahoma, land of the Choctaw. Haskell County lay in the Americas, making me a 100 percent , Grade A , 24 carat, Gold plated native American, as most of us here are.

    I am 1/8 Cherokee, making me 1/8 Indigenous American, American Indian or Aboriginal American.

    My DNA ethnicity analysis comes from Genelex Labs in Seattle in 2008 and 23andme Dec., 2018.
     
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    So... where are the usual cries of racism here? What, these indians can't make money on their own without giving them special laws? Why can't white men open casinos too?
     
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    Welcome back, toon town!
     
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    I think the white man could open casinos but he has chosen not to.


    Blathering in the morning

    Sys is wrong AGAIN

    Why can’t his brain work better
     
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    White man can open a casino in Oklahoma now.
     
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    So in response to like.... the most obvious racial preference ever, theres an insult followed by an uninformed opinion and insult. Conservatism winning on the battleground of logic yet again.
     
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    White man can change white man laws under any sun he chooses.
     
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    Someone ^^^ doesn't know the history of tribal sovereignty, Native American gaming, the Supreme Court, and state and federal government involvement. Instead of being a red assed retard, do some reading, toon.
     
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    baboon ass tard; his best and only look
     
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    Speaking of straw men....
     
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