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Foxcatcher - Question for those who remember the Schultz brothers in College

Chillwell

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Just finished the movie...

The Movie was good...dark & creepy...but good. I thought it was well-acted by all three of the main actors. Now how true was it?...I'm not sure. If accurate, Du Pont was one creepy dude. He seemed to have some serious Mommy-Issues to go along with his borderline personality.

(BTW, I read that MS didn't like the movie because he felt there were some hints in the film that he and Du Pont may have had some type of gay relationship. I didn't pick up on that from my viewing. My impression was pretty much that Du Pont had zero interpersonal skills (maybe a borderline personality) and was desperate to try and be a "great man"...live up to the family legacy. Something that was impossible for someone like him, and he was actually aware of this, yet went to extraordinary lengths to convince others he was normal & could do great things. The movie made it seem like he took to wrestling like his mother took to horses; he wanted to collect the best of the best, like a Mark Schultz, and be associated with them...even be seen as being a leader for them.)

As to Dave & Mark & reality... Their zenith was a little before my time. Those of you who remember, can you tell me why Dave left OSU? Was it simply he couldn't break into the lineup? Conflicts with coaches? Why? The movie portrays him as a pretty good dude, and he was obviously a stud on the matt...just curious as to why. Because it would seem like the OSU coaches would have done everything in the world to hold onto him...plus, you're going to get Mark too, most likely, if you keep Dave.

Also, for those who haven't seen it, there's a scene where Mark Schultz wrestles Mike Sheets in the finals of Olympic qualifying to make the 1988 team. Pretty amazing, if the movie is accurate, because it portrays MS as being in terrible shape at the time... lots of coke in the months prior. Of course, Schultz goes onto the 1988 Olympics and fails to medal, but that's the same year both Kenny Monday & John Smith won gold.
 
He transferred to UCLA to wrestle with his brother, Mark. Mark kind of came to the sport late (seriously anyway) and I don't think OSU was really all that interested in Mark. UCLA shut down their program, so they needed a place to land. OU was willing to take both. The rest is history.

I'm sure other folks will chime in and add.
 
If you liked Foxcatcher and you haven't seen it yet check out the 30 for 30 on the same subject. I liked Foxcatcher but I almost thought 30 for 30 was more creepy. Something about the home movies was real off putting.
 
The 30 for 30 and the documentary on Netflix that Nancy Schultz was a part of both correct some things that the movie got wrong (artistic license and all that). They are both worth a watch to understand what happened better and how the people involved saw things.
 
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