Evan McMullin
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I don't think the dems are eager to investigate Russia in light of last week's revelations.
Imprimis...no doubt sucking up to foreign governments for favors and or money is certainly not the solitary enclave of the republicans.
I thought he stood for good principles and followed him on Twitter a few weeks back. I legitimately think he wants Trump to fail. I mean even your people that hated Trump through the campaign like Glenn Beck says he hopes he's completely wrong and trump has a great 4 years. Just baffles me that people can't at least give him a chance to lead.
The video is over the top, but calling for a select committee to investigate Russia and Obama wiretap allegations is far from not giving him a chance to lead.
I'm not just referring to this example. Asking for investigations and being genuinely skeptical is fine. But, his attention grabs have been continual since pre-election.
As I said, the video does seem over the top.
It just seems like Trump admin is trying to have it's cake and eat it too.....demanding a wiretap investigation while trying to shoo away the Russia deal as no substance.
It's my understanding they have asked the committees to look at the wiretap/survalence against the campaign while the are investigating any Russian conections. That's not tying to stop anything.
As far dismissing the Russia allegations as bogus don't they have the right to speak out? Especially since there has been not one shred of evidence there was collusion. All we have is press and Democrat inuindo.
Not one shred of evidence of collusion....lulz.
Not trying to stop anything....lulz.
Who's "they"?
Can you quote me "them" just asking the committees to look at wiretap/surveillance "while" they are investigating Russia. That isn't what is in Trump's tweets by any stretch of the imagination.
Can I randomly call for an investigation into whether Bob Stoops mollests collies? I think that given my evidence (which I assure you, is probably disgusting) collie owners would rest easier.
I'm guessing I would have to produce some believable evidence to get anyone to investigate that. Egg McMuffin should produce more reason for the investigation than this too.
Again....NO evidence of possible Russian involvement with the Trump campaign....is a gross mischaracterization.
Especially from someone riding the Obama wiretapped Trump train.
*Tinfoil Hat on*
Given McMuffin's (i) ties to the CIA and Military Industrial Complex, (ii) his sudden late run for POTUS that was an obvious attempt at keeping Trump from the presidency/installing HRC as POTUS so everything remained "business as usual" more than anything else, and (iii) his general alignment with McCain and Graham, I think McMuffin has some skeletons in his closet he doesn't want getting out.
Given McMuffin's (i) ties to the CIA and Military Industrial Complex, (ii) his sudden late run for POTUS that was an obvious attempt at keeping Trump from the presidency/installing HRC as POTUS so everything remained "business as usual" more than anything else, and (iii) his general alignment with McCain and Graham, I think McMuffin has some skeletons in his closet he doesn't want getting out.
If Mikey Stoops had resigned over conversations with the Collie's vet and misremembering or incompletely disclosing the substance of those conversations.....if Bob's recruiting director resigned before national signing day after his longtime work for collie molesters of America was disclosed....if your game footage analyst/advisor gave a speech to a pro-Collie molestor group during recruiting season...your call for an investigation of Bob molesting collies wouldn't actually be all that random.
You can ask for anything you want .... get a law enforcement agency to produce a classified and unclassified document to corroborate your claims and you might find some support.
We are talking about ou football. Bob is never more than two degrees of separation from something worth investigating.
Point is to haul Big Game Bob in on collie milestone charges, I would need more than anything you described to get an investigation of him in this state anyway.
The analogy still holds. And may God have mercy on those poor dogs.
You guys are going to be sadly disappointed with all this Russia stuff.
Trump is so dumb he got the Republican nomination over 16 other established candidates and defeated the media and the Democrats to become President and spent a fraction of the money the other candidates spent to do it.
This is all setting up to be one giant egg on the face of the media and the Democrats. He's letting them cook themselves by dragging this out. There was a warrant issued in October don't know who it covered but that will come out soon. Also the Democrats and Obama outsourced their covert operations to the British that produced the bogus information on Trump in the Russian hotel hoping that would give them cover.
The intelligence agencies have nothing on Trump colluding on the Russians and the previous administration and the Democrats are going to have some explaining to do.
If I'm wrong I will gladly come on here and eat a giant serving of crow and declare Trump unfit for office. If I'm right I hope someone from the other side will have the balls to do the same.
Trump is so dumb he got the Republican nomination over 16 other established candidates and defeated the media and the Democrats to become President and spent a fraction of the money the other candidates spent to do it.
This is all setting up to be one giant egg on the face of the media and the Democrats. He's letting them cook themselves by dragging this out. There was a warrant issued in October don't know who it covered but that will come out soon. Also the Democrats and Obama outsourced their covert operations to the British that produced the bogus information on Trump in the Russian hotel hoping that would give them cover.
The intelligence agencies have nothing on Trump colluding on the Russians and the previous administration and the Democrats are going to have some explaining to do.
If I'm wrong I will gladly come on here and eat a giant serving of crow and declare Trump unfit for office. If I'm right I hope someone from the other side will have the balls to do the same.
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Does Flynn count? How about Gordon? How do you dismiss the "no one has had contact with Russia claims" by the POTUS?
He may skate legally, but how do you let him off the hook so easily politically- other than team politics?
He's talking about has an official representative of his campaign.
No one as ever said people associated with Trump had no contact with anyone from Russia. What they have said is they were not colluding with Russia for Trump to influence the campaign.
All new administrations talk to foreign diplomats from all around the world including Russia. Lots of people have private dealings with foreign countries including Russia. Did no one involved with Hillary Clinton speak to any Russians during the campaign?
Is this the ridiculous standard needed for guilt, simply talking to a Russian?
Where's the proof that something illegal or wrong was going on? The Democrats have been briefed why isn't one of their blabber mouthed surrogates leaking incriminating evidence to the press? They've leaked every other negative piece of information they could get.
I'll tell you why, because the intelligence agencies have zilch and it will be coming out soon. The Dems will try to spin it but they are drilling a dry hole.
And "wires tapp" can mean whatever you want right? Nice job of reshaping meaning to fit "your team".
The point is we're not talking about a criminal charges. We're talking about an investigation by Congress into issues they have authority to do an investigation on.
Besides, it's you that is holding a different standard of proof for starting an investigation into to the Russian thing than the wiretap thing....I want them all investigated fully, you're the one proclaiming Russia nothing to see here...how about that wiretap thing though, need to look into that.
So every word a politician has to be taken literal? Were does surveillance fall into the equation. Since he didn't specifically call it that does it not count?
By that standard Obama's got some answering to do. "If you like your plan you can keep your plan, period!" I could go on and on.
By that standard Obama's got some answering to do. "If you like your plan you can keep your plan, period!" I could go on and on.
We found our head Trump cheerleader right here folks.
No one here is definitively claiming that an investigation will discover collusion or improper contact with Russia.
it's just every bit as worthy of a full investigation as the claims in Trump's tweets. Investigate them both.
I've got no issue with an investigation, aren't there several committees doing that already? I don't think it needs a special committee or prosecutor until something illegal has been established.
Has Trump told congress not to investigate, I missed that.
How do you establish something illegal?
An actual investigation.
He doesn't have the authority to order Congress not to investigate. He certainly has in no way cooperated with those investigations to date or openly and transparently admitted the nature of contacts with his administration's and campaign's contacts with Russia. He has certainly made allegations without providing any proof of Obama wiretapping him in order to distract from any such investigation.
And none of that really addresses the different standards being placed on how to handle or evaluations of the evidence that is out there re: the Russian investigation vs. Trump's claims by Trumpies like yourself.
How about every 3rd or 4th statement? We good there? Funny how Obama is now your standard...
I don't consider Obama the standard for anything but I would think all you Obama sycophants would certainly consider him to be the standard.
I find being called a cheerleader by Obama fan boys to be funny. I'm more a fan of anything anti-establishment, anti-lib/socialist.
Trump makes your heads explode, that makes me a Trump fan.
I find being called a cheerleader by Obama fan boys to be funny. I'm more a fan of anything anti-establishment, anti-lib/socialist.
Trump makes your heads explode, that makes me a Trump fan.
Don't think I am. As early as August 2016, you definitively declared "it wasn't the Russians" with regards to the DNC hacks (before the FBI and NSA report even came out) and your position since then has consistently been that there is no substance to the claims about Russian collusion or interference so it sure seems like you're grading the evidence on the two issues on a curve in favor of one to me.
If nothing else, you are admitting to presuming that one will be proven true and that the other will not.
Even if I am, one good mischaracterization (no evidence whatsoever on Russia) deserves another, I guess.
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My head is just fine thank you. If you favor blowing things up rather than progress then you picked the right horse. I reserve the right to gloat when you realize the folly of your position.
It was and remains my opinion that Russia is a clumsily built and transparent straw man. I base this not on inconsistency in what I want investigated, I base it on the obvious shift from:
...to blaming Russia for "hacking" the election. Too obvious. Too convenient. Too quick a pivot. It seems like plot twist that even Jack Bauer would look sideways at.
As for the wire-tapping:
It seems more legitimately possible something like this happened - and there is a lot of smoke to this idea, unlike Russia. Confirmation bias? Maybe. But not everything has to be a zero sum probability in one's mind for one to be fair minded and not cheer-lead. Does it? I do not trust the deep state, nor do I trust Obama and his globalist minions. There seems a lot of anecdotal evidence to support the idea that he would be completely OK with surveilling a political rival. They've all been mentioned here, so i'm not going to take the time to list them. It just seems on the balance between the two claims, the wire tapping one has more meat on the bone.
In summation sir, regarding the Russian / Wire Tap claims, One seems like a ridiculous half-court shot, knee jerk post election spasm, while the other seems like something that Trump/Bannon sat on until a calculated release via tweet. This leads me to believe one is propaganda, and one may also be, but is also potentially more substantive.
Either way, I would like to see *some* evidence of either claim before any current or former American president is investigated.
