El Chapo Trial Reality Check

[OSUClint1024]

For the wallflowers...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cocain...ighlights-from-the-el-chapo-trial-11547049600

“The two months of testimony in Brooklyn federal court have revealed details about how the cartel smuggled cocaine, marijuana and other illegal drugs into the U.S. using cars, trains, planes, submarines and even underground tunnels.”

How effective is a wall again?

 

[Medic007]

For the wallflowers...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cocain...ighlights-from-the-el-chapo-trial-11547049600

“The two months of testimony in Brooklyn federal court have revealed details about how the cartel smuggled cocaine, marijuana and other illegal drugs into the U.S. using cars, trains, planes, submarines and even underground tunnels.”

How effective is a wall again?

How much wall was in place during El Chapo's career?

 

[OSUClint1024]

How much wall was in place during El Chapo's career?

There’s been 700 miles of border barrier for a while now, and the Sinaloa cartel has been around a minute too.

 

[Medic007]

There’s been 700 miles of border barrier for a while now, and the Sinaloa cartel has been around a minute too.

So you're saying there are large gaps in the barrier on the southern border?

 

[HighStickHarry]

This thread is off and running

 

[HighStickHarry]

Jim Acosta also thinks the wall is working. No one crossing where the wall is.

 

[OSUClint1024]

So you're saying there are large gaps in the barrier on the southern border?

Yup...much of which a wall isn’t feasible in the first place. And yet...that’s not how he was trafficking for the vast majority of his criminal enterprise. A wall stops airplanes? submarines? Cars? trains? Tunnels?

None of the above.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Yup...much of which a wall isn’t feasible in the first place. And yet...that’s not how he was trafficking for the vast majority of his criminal enterprise. A wall stops airplanes? submarines? Cars? trains? Tunnels?

None of the above.

You do realize you are making the exact argument the nra does against banning scary looking rifles.

 

[Medic007]

Yup...much of which a wall isn’t feasible in the first place. And yet...that’s not how he was trafficking for the vast majority of his criminal enterprise. A wall stops airplanes? submarines? Cars? trains? Tunnels?

None of the above.

Hmmmm. So who says a barrier isn't feasible? Is El Chapo the only drug guy out there? Are we certain that his tunnels were crossing places where a barrier existed? Did his submarines operate in dirt? Did he build his own railroads? I know airplanes are real difficult to track. We should look at installing some type of radar system to monitor airplanes.

 

[OSUClint1024]

Hmmmm. So who says a barrier isn't feasible?

Let’s start with Sen Joni Ernst (R-Iowa)...https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/2537559002

Is El Chapo the only drug guy out there?

Unfortunately, no.

Are we certain that his tunnels were crossing places where a barrier existed?

Be it a natural barrier (likely) or man made, he has(d) to resort to a tunnel.

Did his submarines operate in dirt

Intentional troll job.

Did he build his own railroads?

There are several passenger train ports of entry along the border. He didn’t have to. These are also the frequent uses of your issue - migrants and human trafficking.

I know airplanes are real difficult to track. We should look at installing some type of radar system to monitor airplanes.

Almost like...such technology would be a priority over something like...a wall. It’s almost like border agents have prioritized this type of stuff, along with more personnel, first and foremost over something like...a wall.

Maybe something like...a bipartisan border security package would do the trick. Just needs...Captain Cheeto’s John Hancock.

 

[Medic007]

Let’s start with Sen Joni Ernst (R-Iowa)...

Joni Ernst said nothing about a wall not being feasible in that article. Got anything else?

Unfortunately, no.

So we shouldn't base all of our discussions on one guy's drug trafficking organization? I wonder if El Chapo used subs, trains, airplanes, and tunnels exclusively. Surely he never used people as mules to cross the border with his drugs. I'll bet there are zero photographs of the homebuilt backpacks that people have used to traffic drugs.

Almost like...such technology would be a priority over something like...a wall. It’s almost like border agents have prioritized this type of stuff, along with more personnel, first and foremost over something like...a wall.

Have you looked at statistics about what barriers have done? I wonder if you could mount technology on a barrier. I suspect someone has done that before, but I'm not certain.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

Maybe something like...a bipartisan border security package would do the trick. Just needs...Captain Cheeto’s John Hancock.

So bipartisan means that only Democrats get input? It would be just as easy for Skeletor and Schmuck to put forth a bill with the requested $5.7 billion for a barrier, a bill that funds at a much lower level than Trump has asked for.

 

[poke2001]

If the wall could just save one child’s life isn’t it worth it?

 

[Ostatedchi]

For the wallflowers...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cocain...ighlights-from-the-el-chapo-trial-11547049600

“The two months of testimony in Brooklyn federal court have revealed details about how the cartel smuggled cocaine, marijuana and other illegal drugs into the U.S. using cars, trains, planes, submarines and even underground tunnels.”

How effective is a wall again?

It's called a defense in depth strategy where you don't rely on any one control to be totally effective. A wall is only one part of an overall border security mitigation method. Combine that with systems that monitors, alerts and reacts to multiple vectors of ingress and egress.

Identify
Protect
Detect
React
Recover

The wall is just one facet of the 'Protect' security control system. Not a single person is advocating that a border wall alone would be an effective deterrent.

 

[Ostatedchi]

On a side note: There's not enough money for me to serve on the jury in that trial. F that. No way am I putting my life and the lives of my loved ones in the cross hairs of the drug cartel.

 

[Medic007]

It's called a defense in depth strategy where you don't rely on any one control to be totally effective. A wall is only one part of an overall border security mitigation method. Combine that with systems that monitors, alerts and reacts to multiple vectors of ingress and egress.

Identify
Protect
Detect
React
Recover

The wall is just one facet of the 'Protect' security control system. Not a single person is advocating that a border wall alone would be an effective deterrent.

You mean like having secured access to neighborhoods, locked gates, locks on doors and windows, motion sensors, sensors on doors and windows, cameras, and monitoring services do to protect our houses? No way, that makes zero sense.

 

[Ostatedchi]

You mean like having secured access to neighborhoods, locked gates, locks on doors and windows, motion sensors, sensors on doors and windows, cameras, and monitoring services do to protect our houses? No way, that makes zero sense.

Guards, Gates, Guns.

There is actually a ton of science involved. Last year as part of my job I went out to the Sandia National Labs cyber and physical security science labs. It's where they did the physical and cyber controls for nuclear reactors and bombs. (Got to see the old test reactor). Toon is starting to wade into my field of expertise.

 

[Syskatine]

Toon is starting to wade into my field of expertise.

Panic?

 

[Ostatedchi]

Panic?

for him maybe

 

[CBradSmith]

https://www.kxan.com/news/national-...o-border-town-2-hours-from-mcallen/1695703524

 

[CBradSmith]

It's called a defense in depth strategy where you don't rely on any one control to be totally effective. A wall is only one part of an overall border security mitigation method. Combine that with systems that monitors, alerts and reacts to multiple vectors of ingress and egress.

Identify
Protect
Detect
React
Recover

The wall is just one facet of the 'Protect' security control system. Not a single person is advocating that a border wall alone would be an effective deterrent.

Is it just me, or is this basic common sense? The gist anyway.

 

[Medic007]

Guards, Gates, Guns.

There is actually a ton of science involved. Last year as part of my job I went out to the Sandia National Labs cyber and physical security science labs. It's where they did the physical and cyber controls for nuclear reactors and bombs. (Got to see the old test reactor). Toon is starting to wade into my field of expertise.

No way. This is just Captain Cheeto Orangemanbad and his merry band of Homeland Security Racists shooting from the hip. Nobody uses physical barriers as part of a system to secure anything. Stop lying.

 

[Rdcldad]

cpt cheeto orangemanbad
what outfit he running?

 

[Medic007]

cpt cheeto orangemanbad
what outfit he running?

The People's President.