Edward Snowden
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Tough decision. On one hand I support him as a whistle blower but the way he went about it I think he is a traitor.
When the US Govt is spending a majority of its resources spying on ordinary American citizens, I think we're looking to put the wrong persons in jail. Instead, you can watch them on CNN or MSNBC on any given night.
Not only yes, but hell yes! And while he’s at it, pardon Assange as well.
He and Assange. When the government is lying to its people to achieve nefarious goals it needs to be known. And as far as assange, when the media refuses to tell the truth or cover shit, other means of communication are necessary and required
I know the Obama administration ignored his complaint and he felt helpless but ending up being welcomed into the arms of the Russians is a problem for me.
One problem is his deal gets conflated with SPC Manning. I haven’t dug into it enough to know if Snowden actually hurt or endangered anyone or national security.
Manning can definitely eat shit.
Manning can definitely eat shit.
The US canceled his passport, where would you like for him to have gone? Dude stayed in an airport terminal for like a month
There’s something to the argument that he wasn’t given any option. Not saying it’s right but it’s not black/white either.
Everyone should watch the Snowden documentary that is a real-time account of him getting vetted by Greenwald ET. AL. Can't remember if it's on Netflix or Prime.
He's clearly not some disgruntled employee with an axe to grind.
He's clearly not some disgruntled employee with an axe to grind.
Edward Snowden was trying to inform the American people the federal government was spying on them. An act that was illegal until the Patriot Act and something the government promised they would not do. Stupid us for believing them and evidence to never trust government to fulfill it's promises. Just a few years later we learned that the Obama administration was using those same intelligence services to spy on a political opponent, something that should only happen in banana republics. Please forgive me for thinking that at first Snowden was trying to do the right thing but screwed it all up by going to Russia.
Yea. Idk what his other options are but if your country doesn’t do what’s right then all is fair to me. Couldn’t go to any that would extradite
Several countries with no extradition treaty. Admittedly I do not know if he tried to contact them. By the way I voted that Trump should pardon him
Snowden has publicly stated he's willing to return for a trial if he's allowed to defend himself.
Snowden was flying from Hong Kong to Moscow to Cuba and then on to South America. (I'm assuming Brazil with the ties to Greenwald)
He was not allowed to travel past Moscow because his passport was canceled.
He was not allowed to travel past Moscow because his passport was canceled.
I wanted him hung until about 2-3 years ago. Now I want him free.
Probably not a first, but this is one of those occasional moments where I agree with Dan.
When this first broke, people were asking if Snowden was a criminal or a Patriot.
I responded, "Yes...both."
I think he should be pardoned at this point.
I responded, "Yes...both."
I think he should be pardoned at this point.
I guarantee the FBI is already abusing its power to spy on American citizens. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to learn people on this very board are being spied on.
Odd that the voting results should be flipped...
From a ideological standpoint, those closer to the left should want a pardon and those leaning right should want him to pay for his crimes.
Why do you think this is happening?
From a ideological standpoint, those closer to the left should want a pardon and those leaning right should want him to pay for his crimes.
Why do you think this is happening?
