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DOJ, FBI reopen Hillary investigations.

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Looking at three areas.

Will be reexamining the email server classified email situation to see if laws were broken that weren't charged.
Opening a new investigation into Clinton Foundation and whether there was pay to play.
There will be an investigation into the FBI handling of the Clinton investigation and if there were any laws broken involving the investigators and the leaks of the investigation.
 
Opening a new investigation into Clinton Foundation and whether there was pay to play.
Personally, I’m not optimistic that justice will be served here.

There will be an investigation into the FBI handling of the Clinton investigation and if there were any laws broken involving the investigators and the leaks of the investigation.
This, on the other hand, is where I think heads will roll.
 
So, are all of our lib friends wanting to see criminal charges and jail time for those who are found guilty if crimes can be proven?

Can we get a special prosecutor to look in to all of this with 70% Republican / Trump donors, no time limit on the investigation, and be allowed to look at ANY potential crime and an unlimited scope?

Can we get an amen?

Should Hillary, and the whole bunch, her assistant, her helpers, those in the DOJ and FBI be sentenced and punished?

We just want to see our legal system to be fair to everyone. Golden to see the Dems being subjected to their own high standards of government oversight (LOL).

Or should it be legal in this country to do whatever you want while in power and the statute of limitations applies the second you are out of office?
 
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So, are all of our lib friends wanting to see criminal charges and jail time for those who are found guilty if crimes can be proven?

If crimes can be proven, sure those who broke the law should be punished.

If crimes can't be proven, will those on the right accept that conclusion?

Can we get a special prosecutor to look in to all of this with 70% Republican / Trump donors, no time limit on the investigation, and be allowed to look at ANY potential crime and an unlimited scope?

This is funny!

You post about no time limit and unlimited scope, let me ask you a question, how long has the Clintons been under investigation for just about everything under the sun? What, over twenty-five years?

We just want to see our legal system to be fair to everyone.

Perhaps you do okstate1, but many on the right (and even some on the left) don't. When it comes to investigating political leaders, many want to see the legal system satisfy their political opinions of those leaders. This is why some on the right refuse to accept that the Clintons aren't sitting in jail yet and while some on the left will not accept any result from the Mueller investigation that doesn't lead to impeachment.
 
What would your definition of "justice" be?

That the law be enforced regardless of fame and/or political clout. Pretty standard expectation, I believe.

And, get this...this is gonna blow your mind...that goes for any Trump/Russia thing as well.

So far, so good?
 
So if this investigation discovers that no laws were broken, you will accept that conclusion as justice then, correct?
Of course. Silly question. An exoneration after a fair and impartial investigation is just as important as charges being filed after criminal activity has been discovered. Right?
 
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Of course.

Good and I agree. However, many on the right have a hard time accepting such results as it relates to the Clintons.

An exoneration after a fair and impartial investigation is just as important as charges being filed after criminal activity has been discovered. Right?

Correct, as long as the terms "fair" and "impartial" aren't define using a political calculus.

Something else that is important is not to engage in investigations that are either political witchhunts or scam investigations that seek to serve as distractions, wouldn't you agree?
 
If crimes can be proven, sure those who broke the law should be punished.

If crimes can't be proven, will those on the right accept that conclusion?



This is funny!

You post about no time limit and unlimited scope, let me ask you a question, how long has the Clintons been under investigation for just about everything under the sun? What, over twenty-five years?



Perhaps you do okstate1, but many on the right (and even some on the left) don't. When it comes to investigating political leaders, many want to see the legal system satisfy their political opinions of those leaders. This is why some on the right refuse to accept that the Clintons aren't sitting in jail yet and while some on the left will not accept any result from the Mueller investigation that doesn't lead to impeachment.

Here is what hit me 2 weeks ago. I believe this country is fighting a political civil war. Obama militarized government agencies and the extent is starting to come out.

The extreme left thru corruption has now brought us lives ruined over 40 year old accusations not proven under a country that believes in innocent until proven guilty. We have seen Kirk Humphries have to step down from a position on the OU BOR for expressing his personal religious views while not representing OU, nor any evidence that he ever once has mingled his religious views with his actions as a OU BOR. Gays now have more freedom of speech rights then anyone in this country. Same for minorities, we see minorities making blatant racist statements towards white's with no accountability or consequences. Much of this is about acquiring power and votes.

I believe we are fighting a political civil war, and like war, laws and rules will be broken to win at all costs.

So, the ONLY way this all gets fixed, is that if Trump has done something illegal he is prosecuted, and if Obama militarized the US government towards its people he must be prosecuted. If the DOJ, FBI, and Hillary commited crimes they must be prosecuted. Doing one without the other will allow this civil political war to be won not by freedom of speech or at the ballot box, but inequitable application of the law, laws meant to protect all of us.

But seeing the above happen would take a miracle it appears. So, we are left with supporting "our guy" at all costs because the political stakes in this country have never been higher in terms of equality and civil freedoms.

Too much at stake today for the public to care about cleaning up corruption within their own party, civil policies being formed today is going to impact this country for generations. Just win baby, at all costs. That is America today.

Until Washington changes the rules, and eliminates all corruption, corruption will be how ground is gained or lost, and if that is the rules, why should either side capitulate unless the other side agrees to play fair?

This is all in the hands of the politicians until such time as the dumb @sses voting for the extreme leftists and right wingers to stop voting them in and elect more moderates that can build more common ground and not create a government that is about creating only winners and losers for our society.

We need a miracle, we really do.
 
Good and I agree. However, many on the right have a hard time accepting such results as it relates to the Clintons.



Correct, as long as the terms "fair" and "impartial" aren't define using a political calculus.

Something else that is important is not to engage in investigations that are either political witchhunts or scam investigations that seek to serve as distractions, wouldn't you agree?
I encourage you to practice your witness questioning skills elsewhere. Just say what’s on your mind, son, and we can talk about it like real people.
 
I wonder if the righties in this board approved of Gowdy and other republicans interfering in congressional testimony, such as Don Jr., who was told by them he didn’t have to answer questions?

Justice is such an interesting word, depending on the messenger.
 
Here is what hit me 2 weeks ago. I believe this country is fighting a political civil war. Obama militarized government agencies and the extent is starting to come out.

This country has always been fighting a political civil war. It is the nature of our system of governance. And this is nothing Obama started or created.

So, the ONLY way this all gets fixed, is that if Trump has done something illegal he is prosecuted, and if Obama militarized the US government towards its people he must be prosecuted. If the DOJ, FBI, and Hillary commited crimes they must be prosecuted.

What gets fixed? The nature of our politics? Man, that has been going on for as long as we have been a country.

But yes, I agree. If Trump did something illegal he should be prosecuted. As should Clinton or anyone else. What I don't agree with though is seeking to undermine the DOJ and FBI for political reasons (i.e. to protect Trump). That enters us into dangerous waters.

Just win baby, at all costs. That is America today.

And that has been America politically speaking for most of its history.

I will grant you though that it does seem that many loyalists on both sides have lower standards today than in the past when it comes to what they will look the other way on when voting (i.e. Republicans voting for Moore down in Alabama).
 
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Just say what’s on your mind, son, and we can talk about it like real people.

I did, and then I asked you if you agreed. Just as you did to me.

I don't know your opinions on this issue and I don't want to assume that I do. We could agree, hence why I ask. So far, we have agreed.
 
I did, and then I asked you if you agreed. Just as you did to me.

I don't know your opinions on this issue and I don't want to assume that I do. We could agree, hence why I ask. So far, we have agreed.
Words like justice or fairness or equality are not rooted in politics. Their meanings stand independently of politics. I want justice. You want justice. Enough said.
 
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I did, and then I asked you if you agreed. Just as you did to me.

I don't know your opinions on this issue and I don't want to assume that I do. We could agree, hence why I ask. So far, we have agreed.
I just thought your line of questioning to your political opponents on this subject was stupid and insulting. There. I said it. Sorry for not candy coating that. Sorta.
 
Words like justice or fairness or equality are not rooted in politics.

I agree, they shouldn't be. But to some, they are. And that is why I clarified those terms.

I just thought your line of questioning to your political opponents on this subject was stupid and insulting.

I was asking you and I don't know if you are my political opponent. I don't know where you stand politically.
 
If any of you want a meticulous, source-based breakdown of the entire coup (and that's what it is) --- spend 10 to 15 minutes reading this article.

The research and sourcing is incredibly tremendous --- Sundance (the author) is one of the best. There are few better.

The story itself is tremendously troubling. It's so vast that it's almost impossible to fully comprehend.


Extremely highly suggested read:



 
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Why no outrage over the criminality in the Trump administration? There's federal informations filed with what looks like dead cinch crimes being committed. Flynn has plea bargained. Why no threads started by conservatives about these charges?

After multiple GOP congressional investigations, a DOJ investigation, a re-opened investigation publicized right before the presidential election, and now a third one, I kind of hope she's charged. Let the dog catch the car. It'll be like birtherism all over again.
 
Why no outrage over the criminality in the Trump administration? There's federal informations filed with what looks like dead cinch crimes being committed. Flynn has plea bargained. Why no threads started by conservatives about these charges?

After multiple GOP congressional investigations, a DOJ investigation, a re-opened investigation publicized right before the presidential election, and now a third one, I kind of hope she's charged. Let the dog catch the car. It'll be like birtherism all over again.

If Trump or people in his administration are guilty, send them to jail.

No one should be above the law.
 
If Trump or people in his administration are guilty, send them to jail.

No one should be above the law.

Yeah but there's been media coverage of the crazy Russian stuff and manaforte laundering for months last year and nobody on here cares. There were actionable crimes committed but THAT investigation needs shut down?

Serious question: what crime did Hillz purportedly commit?
 
Yeah but there's been media coverage of the crazy Russian stuff and manaforte laundering for months last year and nobody on here cares. There were actionable crimes committed but THAT investigation needs shut down?

Serious question: what crime did Hillz purportedly commit?
I couldn’t care less about the Manafort indictment regarding crimes from years ago when pondered in the current political context. If he screwed up, let him pay the price. If it has anything to do with Trump Russia Russia Russia, then maybe that’s different. But Trump Russia Russia Russia seems to be going nowhere, so meh.

Comey rattled off a list of Hillary felonies in his first unusual press conference right before he said he didn’t know of anybody who would prosecute. He later confirmed these crimes in his congressional testimony.
 
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Serious question: what crime did Hillz purportedly commit?
At a minimum...

18 US 1924
Notice the operative is knowingly.

Highly likely based on available info...

18 US 2071
Nothing about intent.

18 US 798
Guess what? Nothing in there about intent.

18 US 1505
Whoa! Finally the word intent actually appears in the statute!

18 US 1519
Knowingly is the word in this one.

Maybe also...

18 US 793 (d) (e) (f) (g)
Again, no intent required.


You see syskatine, the DOJ clearly didn't look at this as an actual investigation. They looked at it as a "matter," that word directly from the Attorney General who met secretly with Bill Clinton. The usual investigative protocols and tools were not used to conduct an actual investigation according to information that has been released.

Furthermore, the FBI Director announced that they would not seek prosecution despite the clear (attempted to muddy though) information he used in his public statement. Since when does the investigative agency decide if prosecution will be sought? I don't know of any instance where my local police department detective division ever announced that they would not be filing charges. That comes from the District Attorney. If Comey did turn the case over to the Attorney General, which is what is supposed to happen, why did that office not make the announcement?

Thankfully this stuff is actually being investigated by what appears to be some people with integrity.
 
Yeah but there's been media coverage of the crazy Russian stuff and manaforte laundering for months last year and nobody on here cares.
Sure we care. But things are still being investigated. At this point the Manaforte stuff has nothing to do with collusion. So I'm not going to try to project shit from 2013 on the current investigation. If that's all they find, well then that's all they find.

I think I speak for the majority here that if evidence of crimes are found during the investigation, those responsible should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Trump? Prosecute him. Those working for Trump? Prosecute them. I expect a thorough investigation to be conducted by law enforcement professionals and if warranted, prosecuted by prosecutorial professionals.

I like the appearance of an anti-Trump Mueller team. For me it isn't about the ability to discredit the findings. Any impropriety in the investigation will come out during the prosecution. I like it because Democrats will be hard pressed to doubt the investigative results from a team that clearly wants Trump gone.

Serious question for you. Do you feel the same way about Hillary and her possible crimes?
 
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