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June 29, 2020
DA charges violent protesters in Oklahoma City with 'terrorism,' 'rioting,' and 'assault'
By Thomas Lifson

@CowboyJD, will you be prosecuting any of these individuals?

The damage by Mayor Jacob Frey of Minneapolis, who withdrew police from his city's third precinct and allowed rioters free rein, extended across the nation. The message was clear: it was open season for violent thuggery as long as it was in the name of politically correct slogans like "black lives matter" and "antifascism." The toleration of CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle amplified the signal that there would be no legal consequences for lawlessness in the name of the correct causes.

A return to law and order, a situation in which people think twice before committing criminal acts while in mobs, will take longer, but it is finally underway. On the federal level, two New York City lawyers who allegedly aided a Molotov cocktail attack on police car face felony charges that could land them in prison for the rest of their lives. And now, on the local level, a district attorney is bringing grave felony charges against violent rioters.

"This is not Seattle," proclaimed Oklahoma County district attorney David Prater on Friday, adding, "We're not putting up with this lawlessness here" after pressing felony charges related to violent demonstrations there the last weekend in May. Nolan Clay writes in The Oklahoman:

Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater made the decisions himself on the charges in a get-tough approach meant to deter others from going too far during protests in the future. (snip)

Charged in two terrorism cases was Isael Antonio Ortiz, 21, of Welch. He is accused of burning an Oklahoma County sheriff's van May 30 and attempting to burn a bail bonds business "along with a large crowd of other individuals."
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Israel Ortiz mug shot (via The Oklahoman).

Predictably, the ACLU is outraged:

The ACLU of Oklahoma is accusing Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater of overcharging protesters to silence those speaking out against police brutality and racism.

The ACLU criticized the district attorney Saturday evening, one day after he charged three protesters with terrorism, four with rioting and one with assault and battery upon a police officer. The civil liberties organization called the felony charges excessive, politically based and upsetting.

Prater on Sunday defended the charges, saying, "When you act like a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist."

Charging people for violent acts does not silence protest; it only punishes violence. But there are other charges from Prater that do relate to speech itself:

Also charged Friday were five defendants identified as involved in the painting of murals in downtown Oklahoma City this week. They are accused in an incitement to riot charge of interfering with a police sergeant who was trying to take a homicide witness for an interview at police headquarters Tuesday.

In court affidavits filed with the charges, police claimed that several agitators during the May 30 protest stayed to the center to keep the crowd in an agitated state.

"Several people were carrying flags that were identified as belonging to the following groups: Antifa, Soviet Union (communism), American Indian Movement, Anarcho-Communism (solid red) and the original Oklahoma flag ... currently adopted by Oklahoma Socialists," police reported.

The court will determine if the incitement amounts to "shouting fire in a crowded theatre," the standard for speech prohibition offered by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in the case U.S. v. Schenk.

Prater is unmoved by the ACLU's argument:

"These criminals have subverted peaceful protests and impaired the open discussion regarding race in our country," he said. "These criminals are diabolic and strategic in their use of tactics historically employed by terrorists throughout the world; namely, targeting innocent citizens with violence and the threat of violence, intimidation, the dissemination of propaganda to disrupt societal and communal relationships and using peaceful protestors as human shields. When you employ these tactics for a political purpose, you are a terrorist."

Prater said he and others in law enforcement will not be intimidated from "protecting those we serve by aggressively enforcing and prosecuting the law."

"When you act like a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist. All innocent citizens of Oklahoma County deserve to be protected. The citizens of Oklahoma County have a legal and constitutional right to personal safety and the protection of their property. It is my job to protect innocent citizens and their property and I will continue to do it to the best of my ability," he said.

And he has the police union behind him:

Speaking out in support of the district attorney Sunday was John George, president of the Oklahoma City Fraternal Order of Police.

"David's always been not afraid to do what he thinks is right," George said. "A lot of elected officials and city leaders have not shown support for their police departments across the country. It was nice to see DA Prater here do the right thing and file charges on people who needed to have charges filed on them."

With President Trump promising a federal law enforcement crackdown on attempt to vandalize monuments on federal property, extending to mobilizing the National Guard, and felony prosecutions for rioters who trigger federal law, and at least some localities beginning to charge rioters with crimes carrying severe penalties, some potential rioters may be deterred.

It will be a long road back to social order.
 
June 29, 2020
DA charges violent protesters in Oklahoma City with 'terrorism,' 'rioting,' and 'assault'
By Thomas Lifson

@CowboyJD, will you be prosecuting any of these individuals?

The damage by Mayor Jacob Frey of Minneapolis, who withdrew police from his city's third precinct and allowed rioters free rein, extended across the nation. The message was clear: it was open season for violent thuggery as long as it was in the name of politically correct slogans like "black lives matter" and "antifascism." The toleration of CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle amplified the signal that there would be no legal consequences for lawlessness in the name of the correct causes.

A return to law and order, a situation in which people think twice before committing criminal acts while in mobs, will take longer, but it is finally underway. On the federal level, two New York City lawyers who allegedly aided a Molotov cocktail attack on police car face felony charges that could land them in prison for the rest of their lives. And now, on the local level, a district attorney is bringing grave felony charges against violent rioters.

"This is not Seattle," proclaimed Oklahoma County district attorney David Prater on Friday, adding, "We're not putting up with this lawlessness here" after pressing felony charges related to violent demonstrations there the last weekend in May. Nolan Clay writes in The Oklahoman:

Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater made the decisions himself on the charges in a get-tough approach meant to deter others from going too far during protests in the future. (snip)

Charged in two terrorism cases was Isael Antonio Ortiz, 21, of Welch. He is accused of burning an Oklahoma County sheriff's van May 30 and attempting to burn a bail bonds business "along with a large crowd of other individuals."
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Israel Ortiz mug shot (via The Oklahoman).

Predictably, the ACLU is outraged:

The ACLU of Oklahoma is accusing Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater of overcharging protesters to silence those speaking out against police brutality and racism.

The ACLU criticized the district attorney Saturday evening, one day after he charged three protesters with terrorism, four with rioting and one with assault and battery upon a police officer. The civil liberties organization called the felony charges excessive, politically based and upsetting.

Prater on Sunday defended the charges, saying, "When you act like a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist."

Charging people for violent acts does not silence protest; it only punishes violence. But there are other charges from Prater that do relate to speech itself:

Also charged Friday were five defendants identified as involved in the painting of murals in downtown Oklahoma City this week. They are accused in an incitement to riot charge of interfering with a police sergeant who was trying to take a homicide witness for an interview at police headquarters Tuesday.

In court affidavits filed with the charges, police claimed that several agitators during the May 30 protest stayed to the center to keep the crowd in an agitated state.

"Several people were carrying flags that were identified as belonging to the following groups: Antifa, Soviet Union (communism), American Indian Movement, Anarcho-Communism (solid red) and the original Oklahoma flag ... currently adopted by Oklahoma Socialists," police reported.

The court will determine if the incitement amounts to "shouting fire in a crowded theatre," the standard for speech prohibition offered by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in the case U.S. v. Schenk.

Prater is unmoved by the ACLU's argument:

"These criminals have subverted peaceful protests and impaired the open discussion regarding race in our country," he said. "These criminals are diabolic and strategic in their use of tactics historically employed by terrorists throughout the world; namely, targeting innocent citizens with violence and the threat of violence, intimidation, the dissemination of propaganda to disrupt societal and communal relationships and using peaceful protestors as human shields. When you employ these tactics for a political purpose, you are a terrorist."

Prater said he and others in law enforcement will not be intimidated from "protecting those we serve by aggressively enforcing and prosecuting the law."

"When you act like a terrorist, you will be treated like a terrorist. All innocent citizens of Oklahoma County deserve to be protected. The citizens of Oklahoma County have a legal and constitutional right to personal safety and the protection of their property. It is my job to protect innocent citizens and their property and I will continue to do it to the best of my ability," he said.

And he has the police union behind him:

Speaking out in support of the district attorney Sunday was John George, president of the Oklahoma City Fraternal Order of Police.

"David's always been not afraid to do what he thinks is right," George said. "A lot of elected officials and city leaders have not shown support for their police departments across the country. It was nice to see DA Prater here do the right thing and file charges on people who needed to have charges filed on them."

With President Trump promising a federal law enforcement crackdown on attempt to vandalize monuments on federal property, extending to mobilizing the National Guard, and felony prosecutions for rioters who trigger federal law, and at least some localities beginning to charge rioters with crimes carrying severe penalties, some potential rioters may be deterred.

It will be a long road back to social order.

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Whether he does or not, what hits home for me is that he deserves our support as someone who is part of the LE process.
Does this apply to the Atlanta DA as well? I just want to know who I can support and who I can demonize.
 
Does this apply to the Atlanta DA as well? I just want to know who I can support and who I can demonize.

If I understand your point, I would prefer if we are going to make an error on charges in today’s world? I would prefer to be more aggressive in filing charges and let the court system determine innocent or guilt than throwing away or under funding police departments and letting criminals get away with breaking our laws. I would like to see consistency and fairness in how charges are filed, but I would prefer to err on the side of more arrests and not less.

I am also not asking you to cheerlead for anyone, that is your personal preference so my opinion on that to you should not really matter.
 
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If I understand your point, I would prefer if we are going to make an error on charges in today’s world? I would prefer to be more aggressive in filing charges and let the court system determine innocent or guilt than throwing away or under funding police departments and letting criminals get away with breaking our laws. I would like to see consistency and fairness in how charges are filed, but I would prefer to err on the side of more arrests and not less.

I am also not asking you to cheerlead for anyone, that is your personal preference so my opinion on that to you should not really matter.
My point is that supporting someone just because they are involved in the LE sector isn't necessarily the right avenue to take especially if their actions are questionable. Until laws are consistency prosecuted and without prejudice, one must call-out inconsistencies whenever they are present. Just like I won't blindly support the police force, just because they are involved in enforcing our laws doesn't mean they are without fault and should be called out for abuse of power.

That's not to say @CowboyJD isn't fair because I think he generally is, especially on this board, and to me specifically when involved in communication.
 
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“If you want a fair trial, don’t ask a possible prosecutor/juror/witness for their opinion in a public forum...especially if you believe the defendant(s) is guilty. Don’t give the defense or the state an avenue for dismissal or overturning the verdict on appeal.” - Someone smarter than me, maybe in different words.
 
My point is that supporting someone just because they are involved in the LE sector isn't necessarily the right avenue to take especially if their actions are questionable. Until laws are consistency prosecuted and without prejudice, one must call-out inconsistencies whenever they are present. Just like I won't blindly support the police force, just because they are involved in enforcing our laws doesn't mean they are without fault and should be called out for abuse of power.

That's not to say @CowboyJD isn't fair because I think he generally is, especially on this board, and to me specifically when involved in communication.

Well, I am going to give the benefit of doubt to LE, just like you might give me the benefit of the doubt not knowing who am I and not applying any prejudices to me because of anything you may or may not know about me.

I tend to believe most LE officials are doing their best. I know right now politically for many supporting LE is just not cool. I personally feel for those in LE right now, because they are being painted with a very broad brush, perhaps the biggest I have seen.

I have never said once that the laws do not apply to those in LE and I have never said once to not call out inconsistencies or take on questionable actions. I was one of the very first on here to say that officer that killed George Floyd should get a First Degree Murder charge and under what grounds, and why he should have been arrested that very day.

If you are super paranoid about everyone and everything in LE right now, that is your right. I am not that paranoid, I tend believe most police officers are good people and like everything else in life, there is some bad apples. I have gone out of my way these last few weeks when I see police officer to thank them for their service, bought one lunch the other day when he came in to the fast food place I was at. I feel like LE needs a big hug from us right now because before long we will not have any and they are being abused so badly right now.

As for this:

"That's not to say @CowboyJD isn't fair because I think he generally is, especially on this board, and to me specifically when involved in communication."

I feel if you believed this there was no point in responding to me over my comments on CowboyJD other than to lecture me, you will not find one post of mine that would require lecturing me in this manner:

"My point is that supporting someone just because they are involved in the LE sector isn't necessarily the right avenue to take especially if their actions are questionable. Until laws are consistency prosecuted and without prejudice, one must call-out inconsistencies whenever they are present. Just like I won't blindly support the police force, just because they are involved in enforcing our laws doesn't mean they are without fault and should be called out for abuse of power."

As for @CowboyJD himself, based on a past question I had for him, I figured he would stay way from commenting on this at all. I just thought I would point out someone on this board who is very passionate about the law and enforcing laws, and someone who seems very fair, might be involved in one of these cases. From a higher perspective, I am glad we have prosecutors willing to prosecute these types of crimes, you would think these would be somewhat easy cases to prosecute given witnesses, potential video, and perhaps statements made by those arrested.
 
Well, I am going to give the benefit of doubt to LE, just like you might give me the benefit of the doubt not knowing who am I and not applying any prejudices to me because of anything you may or may not know about me.

I tend to believe most LE officials are doing their best. I know right now politically for many supporting LE is just not cool. I personally feel for those in LE right now, because they are being painted with a very broad brush, perhaps the biggest I have seen.

I have never said once that the laws do not apply to those in LE and I have never said once to not call out inconsistencies or take on questionable actions. I was one of the very first on here to say that officer that killed George Floyd should get a First Degree Murder charge and under what grounds, and why he should have been arrested that very day.

If you are super paranoid about everyone and everything in LE right now, that is your right. I am not that paranoid, I tend believe most police officers are good people and like everything else in life, there is some bad apples. I have gone out of my way these last few weeks when I see police officer to thank them for their service, bought one lunch the other day when he came in to the fast food place I was at. I feel like LE needs a big hug from us right now because before long we will not have any and they are being abused so badly right now.

As for this:

"That's not to say @CowboyJD isn't fair because I think he generally is, especially on this board, and to me specifically when involved in communication."

I feel if you believed this there was no point in responding to me over my comments on CowboyJD other than to lecture me, you will not find one post of mine that would require lecturing me in this manner:

"My point is that supporting someone just because they are involved in the LE sector isn't necessarily the right avenue to take especially if their actions are questionable. Until laws are consistency prosecuted and without prejudice, one must call-out inconsistencies whenever they are present. Just like I won't blindly support the police force, just because they are involved in enforcing our laws doesn't mean they are without fault and should be called out for abuse of power."

As for @CowboyJD himself, based on a past question I had for him, I figured he would stay way from commenting on this at all. I just thought I would point out someone on this board who is very passionate about the law and enforcing laws, and someone who seems very fair, might be involved in one of these cases. From a higher perspective, I am glad we have prosecutors willing to prosecute these types of crimes, you would think these would be somewhat easy cases to prosecute given witnesses, potential video, and perhaps statements made by those arrested.
So much to break down here but just to start things off - I'm not "paranoid" about law enforcement. As a citizen of this country I have every right to question how laws are created and applied.
Giving Law Enforcement the benefit of the doubt has gotten us to a point in society where there is distrust at the local, state, and federal levels. I can point out numerous examples where both political parties pick and choose when to execute the law. That is wrong and should be called out explicitly.You even bring it up here as a prime example:

They arrest people for crimes like not wearing masks, not social distancing, people playing in a park, for opening their business. Only in Dem states do the cops only police against those they are told to police against. Interesting the weakest and those with the best intentions get arrested. COVID and the Riots exposed lib hypocrisy for all to see, but brain dead libs.

You feel outraged when someone isn't arrested that is breaking the law and has a different viewpoint, I can see how that is upsetting. I also will point out your hypocrisy when you post on someone being charged and say you support LE in this case. Well, which is it? Do you support them only when you feel the charges are justified? Did you trust LE when General Flynn was charged with lying? How about when LE had a 3 year investigation into Russian collusion, did you support that?

You once again are misrepresenting what I'm saying. When law enforcement (police, DA's, and those in higher elected positions) get to pick and choose when laws can be enforced then you lose respect from the public.

Being in LE doesn't give you respect alone, respect is earned as it is with all walks of life.
 
So much to break down here but just to start things off - I'm not "paranoid" about law enforcement. As a citizen of this country I have every right to question how laws are created and applied.
Giving Law Enforcement the benefit of the doubt has gotten us to a point in society where there is distrust at the local, state, and federal levels. I can point out numerous examples where both political parties pick and choose when to execute the law. That is wrong and should be called out explicitly.You even bring it up here as a prime example:



You feel outraged when someone isn't arrested that is breaking the law and has a different viewpoint, I can see how that is upsetting. I also will point out your hypocrisy when you post on someone being charged and say you support LE in this case. Well, which is it? Do you support them only when you feel the charges are justified? Did you trust LE when General Flynn was charged with lying? How about when LE had a 3 year investigation into Russian collusion, did you support that?

You once again are misrepresenting what I'm saying. When law enforcement (police, DA's, and those in higher elected positions) get to pick and choose when laws can be enforced then you lose respect from the public.

Being in LE doesn't give you respect alone, respect is earned as it is with all walks of life.

Practically all of LE has not decided who to arrest in not wearing masks or rioters. It was elected officials that stepped in and told LE how to Police and what laws to enforce. This was not individual police deciding not what to do. The police chief in Seattle wanted to go in and clean up CHOP but was told no.

The corruption in the Flynn case was again done mostly by a few higher ups, not “LE” broadly.

Trust but verify, always believed in that. I was raised to respect Police Officers and anyone else that was an authority figure. I got in trouble for calling them cops.

I have been consistent in saying what “I feel”, you then proceed to tell me how I should feel and think. You then call me a hypocrite, all I said was stop the lecture on something on how I feel.

I am not being a hypocrite, seems like an odd hill to die on. I see the politicians as the evil people here frankly, the puppet masters.

So, at what point in your life did your parents earn your respect, how about a Coach or teacher? How about your boss? How do you initiate positive relationships if everyone is a bad guy until proven otherwise?

You seem to want me to respect your difference of opinion. Why should I? By your own standards why?

Your rank and file DOJ, FBI, and LE in this country are mostly good people who end up political pawns and right now the politicians are shitting on every LE agent that is policing the streets by throwing them under the bus to save their own political azz. Instead of defunding the Police they should be increasing budgets to provide better training. Our safety as a public is going to get worse, not better. We have already seen what no police in CHOP looks like.

The mayors in this country have screwed up equal justice. Not the man or women in blue that puts on the badge each day and risks their life and have been asked to defend ground while not being able to defend themselves while getting fire bombs thrown at them, spit on, piss thrown at them, and bricks thrown at them. Yeah, I give a bunch of those folks the benefit of the doubt. Sure do and proud to say it. I would have quit immediately off any force whose Mayor threw me under the bus like that.

Me thinks you had a bad day, if things were better I would gladly buy you your favorite drink or beer and tell you that I give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove to me I should not. My wife and I hit the wall on this quarantine stuff yesterday so I was pretty bummed out yesterday. I do not go thru life thinking everyone is a bad person. Most people are good and if given proper leadership will do good things.

Have a good evening, I sincerely mean that. Shit is stressful enough.
 
Practically all of LE has not decided who to arrest in not wearing masks or rioters. It was elected officials that stepped in and told LE how to Police and what laws to enforce. This was not individual police deciding not what to do. The police chief in Seattle wanted to go in and clean up CHOP but was told no.

The corruption in the Flynn case was again done mostly by a few higher ups, not “LE” broadly.

Trust but verify, always believed in that. I was raised to respect Police Officers and anyone else that was an authority figure. I got in trouble for calling them cops.

I have been consistent in saying what “I feel”, you then proceed to tell me how I should feel and think. You then call me a hypocrite, all I said was stop the lecture on something on how I feel.

I am not being a hypocrite, seems like an odd hill to die on. I see the politicians as the evil people here frankly, the puppet masters.

So, at what point in your life did your parents earn your respect, how about a Coach or teacher? How about your boss? How do you initiate positive relationships if everyone is a bad guy until proven otherwise?

You seem to want me to respect your difference of opinion. Why should I? By your own standards why?

Your rank and file DOJ, FBI, and LE in this country are mostly good people who end up political pawns and right now the politicians are shitting on every LE agent that is policing the streets by throwing them under the bus to save their own political azz. Instead of defunding the Police they should be increasing budgets to provide better training. Our safety as a public is going to get worse, not better. We have already seen what no police in CHOP looks like.

The mayors in this country have screwed up equal justice. Not the man or women in blue that puts on the badge each day and risks their life and have been asked to defend ground while not being able to defend themselves while getting fire bombs thrown at them, spit on, piss thrown at them, and bricks thrown at them. Yeah, I give a bunch of those folks the benefit of the doubt. Sure do and proud to say it. I would have quit immediately off any force whose Mayor threw me under the bus like that.

Me thinks you had a bad day, if things were better I would gladly buy you your favorite drink or beer and tell you that I give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove to me I should not. My wife and I hit the wall on this quarantine stuff yesterday so I was pretty bummed out yesterday. I do not go thru life thinking everyone is a bad person. Most people are good and if given proper leadership will do good things.

Have a good evening, I sincerely mean that. Shit is stressful enough.
When in my post did I tell you how to feel? You also think I'm having a bad day? I'm having an excellent day. Sorry you had your wife are hitting a wall on the isolation and quarantine stuff. Have a drink, see a sunset, if you have a dog walk it.

I feel for police officers, they get shit thrown at them on the daily. What is also true is they knew what they were getting into, they get paid (not well, as I've already explained my position on this). Law enforcement involves a lot of bureaucratic entities that often go unchecked because there is already too much trust with those in power. We've seen that with massive corruption in many levels of government when it comes to classified data (no charges), prosecution of cops and ignoring previous comments on classification on lethal weapons (Atlanta cop murder charges), and Antifa still runs free without consequences when LE on the federal level could make a difference.
 
When in my post did I tell you how to feel? You also think I'm having a bad day? I'm having an excellent day. Sorry you had your wife are hitting a wall on the isolation and quarantine stuff. Have a drink, see a sunset, if you have a dog walk it.

I feel for police officers, they get shit thrown at them on the daily. What is also true is they knew what they were getting into, they get paid (not well, as I've already explained my position on this). Law enforcement involves a lot of bureaucratic entities that often go unchecked because there is already too much trust with those in power. We've seen that with massive corruption in many levels of government when it comes to classified data (no charges), prosecution of cops and ignoring previous comments on classification on lethal weapons (Atlanta cop murder charges), and Antifa still runs free without consequences when LE on the federal level could make a difference.

Police officers did not sign up for the shit being dealt to them today.
 
Police officers did not sign up for the shit being dealt to them today.
I have to invest in riot gear, that new industry must be booming.

Of course they didn't sign up for a pandemic but protests on a national level for racial injustices (whether you agree with them or not) have been going on for decades.

BLM burns down Ferguson in 2014, 5 cops are killed in Dallas in 2016, cops have been under fire for decades and will continue to be until the top levels of our LE actually grow some balls and enforce the law accordingly and without prejudice. Which is my entire point that has gone over your head.
 
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I have to invest in riot gear, that new industry must be booming.

Of course they didn't sign up for a pandemic but protests on a national level for racial injustices (whether you agree with them or not) have been going on for decades.

BLM burns down Ferguson in 2014, 5 cops are killed in Dallas in 2016, cops have been under fire for decades and will continue to be until the top levels of our LE actually grow some balls and enforce the law accordingly and without prejudice. Which is my entire point that has gone over your head.

So you are not going to stop being a condescending little shit and basically call me dumb now. Your whole point is LE arresting people? That is not how this little dance started. It started with a snarky response as if this applied to the Atlanta DA, when I did tell anyone WTF think or tell them what to think? I gave you a reasoned response thinking you were being a snarky little shit but gave you the benefit of the doubt. You then progressed to a passive aggressive lecture on trust. You started that line of thinking saying CowboyJD was trustworthy which again shows what a passive aggressive little bitch you are.

I responded earlier and said I wanted to err on the side of arrests. WTF is arresting more people (which I am for and why I posted this article you dumb azz) have to do with your childish BS about you lecturing me about who to trust? You totally blow by the facts that I pointed out, the politicians, the Mayors are the ones dictating who LE is arresting right now. The police would prefer to arrest all of them and end it because they and us would be safer. The only one being stupid, and I mean downright phucking dumb right now is you. You making the case dumb azz each individual police officer in these cities has a choice on who to arrest? How far is your head up you azz? Who is dictating the rules of engagement? It is not LE, which I pointed out in Seattle the Chief (who is an AA Female) wanted to go in. Are you that phucking stupid to believe this all a LE problem? The Mayor in Washington D.C. allowed the rioters to riot freely.

In those prior events you mentioned not one city,
Mayor, or city council put forward either totally eliminating LE or massively defunding LE. All lib controlled areas. Your a callous unappreciative prick to think LE gets to gets to be shit on because of some prior events that created a future contract of acceptance by current or future LE that they are suppose to take the abuse of civil disturbances and have their own rights walked over. Police has never been the public and political whipping dog like it is today.

I tried to play nice and give you the benefit of the doubt but your passive aggressive name calling is boorish and weak and you can die on that untrusting LE mantra and they signed up for this shit. Good try at trying to change the discussion point, it is obvious you are just looking for a fight. I take back the drink. Go get a badge and get abused like you deserve. I have learned not to trust you. Good bye, putting your dumb azz on ignore.
 
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I have to invest in riot gear, that new industry must be booming.

Of course they didn't sign up for a pandemic but protests on a national level for racial injustices (whether you agree with them or not) have been going on for decades.

BLM burns down Ferguson in 2014, 5 cops are killed in Dallas in 2016, cops have been under fire for decades and will continue to be until the top levels of our LE actually grow some balls and enforce the law accordingly and without prejudice. Which is my entire point that has gone over your head.
Obama made it open season on police officers! Don’t remember cops being gunned down before the anti police president Barack opened his dumb ass mouth. Renegade is a racist piece of shit!
 
So you are not going to stop being a condescending little shit and basically call me dumb now. Your whole point is LE arresting people? That is not how this little dance started. It started with a snarky response as if this applied to the Atlanta DA, when I did tell anyone WTF think or tell them what to think? I gave you a reasoned response thinking you were being a snarky little shit but gave you the benefit of the doubt. You then progressed to a passive aggressive lecture on trust. You started that line of thinking saying CowboyJD was trustworthy which again shows what a passive aggressive little bitch you are.

I responded earlier and said I wanted to err on the side of arrests. WTF is arresting more people (which I am for and why I posted this article you dumb azz) have to do with your childish BS about you lecturing me about who to trust? You totally blow by the facts that I pointed out, the politicians, the Mayors are the ones dictating who LE is arresting right now. The police would prefer to arrest all of them and end it because they and us would be safer. The only one being stupid, and I mean downright phucking dumb right now is you. You making the case dumb azz each individual police officer in these cities has a choice on who to arrest? How far is your head up you azz? Who is dictating the rules of engagement? It is not LE, which I pointed out in Seattle the Chief (who is an AA Female) wanted to go in. Are you that phucking stupid to believe this all a LE problem? The Mayor in Washington D.C. allowed the rioters to riot freely.

In those prior events you mentioned not one city,
Mayor, or city council put forward either totally eliminating LE or massively defunding LE. All lib controlled areas. Your a callous unappreciative prick to think LE gets to gets to be shit on because of some prior events that created a future contract of acceptance by current or future LE that they are suppose to take the abuse of civil disturbances and have their own rights walked over. Police has never been the public and political whipping dog like it is today.

I tried to play nice and give you the benefit of the doubt but your passive aggressive name calling is boorish and weak and you can die on that untrusting LE mantra and they signed up for this shit. Good try at trying to change the discussion point, it is obvious you are just looking for a fight. I take back the drink. Go get a badge and get abused like you deserve. I have learned not to trust you. Good bye, putting your dumb azz on ignore.
How old are you? Putting me on ignore for having an opinion that differs from yours? It does sound like you're having a much worse day than I. I have not called you one name at all during this entire discussion but go ahead and bail.

I have never said once they deserve to be shit on, no one deserves to be shit on. However, the choice is there to become an officer or not, that's something that each individual is doing for their career choice. The decisions by elected officials are going to make recruitment and retention harder and harder and that will be apparent, reap what you sow for these officials as crime rates will soar and POC continue to be victims of more violence.

I simply asked a question if you were going to support Law Enforcement and give them the same respect if they make decisions that you ultimately don't believe in. Since these law enforcement members get respect from you just by being what their title says, you should be respectful of the decisions made by the Portland Chief of Police and DA when they choose not to prosecute folks for being Antifa members. When someone does the bidding you like, you clap and cheer because the DA did something you like, and they have your respect. The question isn't about the quantity of arrests, a lot of DA's pick and choose who they want to apply the law to, that's the problem in our system which is something that you should actually be in favor of correcting. It shouldn't matter whether you have a D or R next to your name, you commit a crime you should be charged accordingly.
 
Obama made it open season on police officers! Don’t remember cops being gunned down before the anti police president Barack opened his dumb ass mouth. Renegade is a racist piece of shit!
I think Obama is an incredibly overrated President and did some very harmful things due to his rheotric and ultimately his legislation with Obamacare. All that being said the numbers don't play out open season on cops with number of assaults and deaths.

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/deaths-assaults-and-injuries
 
Dont think JD would tell you if he was. Let alone details of the case until it is finalized and prosecuted. Probably better that way any way.

I wouldn't mention details of the case or my opinion of a case if I was involved in the case. Whether or not I was the prosecutor on a particular case would be a matter of public record.

Whether he does or not, what hits home for me is that he deserves our support as someone who is part of the LE process.

Thanks, but I don't feel I deserve support JUST because I am part of the LE process. If I do deserve support, it's because of my actions in finding and delivering just and fair results in my work.

My point is that supporting someone just because they are involved in the LE sector isn't necessarily the right avenue to take especially if their actions are questionable. Until laws are consistency prosecuted and without prejudice, one must call-out inconsistencies whenever they are present. Just like I won't blindly support the police force, just because they are involved in enforcing our laws doesn't mean they are without fault and should be called out for abuse of power.

That's not to say @CowboyJD isn't fair because I think he generally is, especially on this board, and to me specifically when involved in communication.

I actually agree with your statements in the first paragraph. Thank you for the compliments in the second.

JD isn't in Oklahoma County.

Nope, Garfield.

I don’t always agree with JD but nobody car argue he’s ever been anything but fair. I have a lot of respect for him outside his choice of professional baseball and maybe football (American) teams.

Thanks, and haters are gonna hate. Probably gonna be a rough year upcoming for both my Sox and the Patriots, so you have that going for you. My English football team won the league for the first time in 30 years, so I'll be alright.

JD is not at OSBI any more, he's up in Enid's DA office I think.

Yep.
 
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