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Most people have been just a super version of the flu shot....Part where they got the shot is extra sore and sensitive and just general exhaustion is more, but after 3 days, most people are back to normal. Hope all is well.
This was my experience. 1st dose was minimal symptoms w very sore arm. 36 hrs felt completely normal. 2nd arm felt worse and fatigue was pretty significant. Took two naps without trying. Body aches were moderate. 2nd day same symptoms but milder. 3rd day no symptoms at all. Better than actually having it obviously.
 
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Much higher rate of side effects with the second dose, but only 15% or so and they only last 12-24 hours.
I have gotten both doses of vaccine. First dose arm got pretty sore that night(got dose around noon) but otherwise fine. Second dose arm was pretty sore about 6hours after. Next day about 36 hours after , was achy got horrible chills and couldn't stop shivering . Fever broke about 3am when woke up sweating. Went back to bed and felt good in morning.
Know a guy who had both doses really knock him on his ass with headache , trouble focusing aches etc.
 
I've had both doses. No symptoms with first. 2nd one had a pretty sore shoulder for 24 hours. I didn't really have any noticeable systemic symptoms. The trials reported that most symptoms seen were after 2nd dose and younger patients usually more affected.
 
Lost one of my best friends for the last 20 years Saturday. He ,his wife and daughter all got it the same time. Wife and daughter were fine. Bruce went into the hospital and had been on a ventilator for a month. Doctors thought he was getting better but last Thursday he took a turn for the worse and slipped into a coma. Died Saturday.

He was 60 years old, overweight and border line diabetic just like me. This is the first person I been close to who has died from it. Really depressing.
Sorry for your loss.
 
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Has anyone here taken the antiparasitic drug ivermectin? I have traveled to over 30 countries and my doctor always recommends taking an antiparasitic drug upon returning. He also said most people (over 50%) in the US have worms of some kind and should take this yearly. Currently, ivermectin is a FDA approved drug that is being repurposed as a prophylactic against Covid-19.

Here is the opinion of renowned Dr. Pierre Kory who is a lung specialist and ICU doctor. He is a part of a group of doctors whose only goal is to look at repurposing current FDA approved medicines to treat Covid-19 patients. That group of doctors has over 2,000 peer reviewed publications between them.

 
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The Argentina study referenced in the video above is also mentioned in the article link below. Here's a short summary.

The study team recruited 1,195 health professionals of which 407 received no treatment and 788 self-administered ivermectin oral drops and an iota-carrageenan nasal spray five times per day over a 14 day period. The study’s primary endpoint in a 30 day time period was “Reduction in contagion” for health personnel.

The Argentinian study team reported that the study data revealed that of the participants in the control group (e.g. not taking the study drug combination) 58% of the participants were infected with COVID-19 during the duration of the trial. Out of 788 self-administered from the intervention arm, NOT ONE person fell ill to COVID-19.

 
Ya I know a guy taking that stuff and he is going down hill fast. If any of you are going to listen to this please at least also talk to your doctor about being sick also.

Wait. Are you telling me that someone is treating themselves with a cow dewormer and he isn't doing great? That's crazy.
 
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Wait. Are you telling me that someone is treating themselves with a cow dewormer and he isn't doing great? That's crazy.
Yeah I'm sure there's absolutely no validity to the work and evidence done by these medical systems and researchers with scientific expertise that eclipses yours by a factor of roughly a million.

Glad you're here to cheerlead the failure in one anecdotal account though, your team will be proud of you.
 
Ya I know a guy taking that stuff and he is going down hill fast. If any of you are going to listen to this please at least also talk to your doctor about being sick also.

Is he taking the prescribed Ivermectin for humans?

Wait. Are you telling me that someone is treating themselves with a cow dewormer and he isn't doing great? That's crazy.

What is mentioned in the video and link are prescribed by a doctor for human use.
 
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My wife and I both caught Covid in August. For data points, I'm 50 and my wife turns 50 in February. For us it mirrored an allergy attack. Normal for me that time of year, not normal for my wife who normally has Spring allergies. We never tested for Covid, but I did have the antibodies a month later per the Red Cross. Fast forward to Thanksgiving time frame and I had family staying with my grandmother from Alabama that came up for a funeral. That whole house fell to Covid expect my cousin (who is mid 60s). She was surrounded by it all day every day and never even popped a positive test. They made her test 5 times in 10 days because they couldn't believe she didn't catch it. She had an antibody test done last week. No antibodies. She is not what you would all the picture of health. Smokes, overweight, doesn't get a lot of exercise due to an accident about 10 years ago that shattered both ankles. She's had over 40 surgeries in the last 10 years. She's had two strokes, etc. My 89, almost 90 year old grandmother is who they were staying with and she got it and 3 days later was over it with nothing more than some body aches and a little congestion. Anyway, before any of them tested for covid, my wife and I went and visited everybody. One person wasn't feeling well, and a few were exhausted. We attributed this to the funeral and all the emotions that come with it. So we were re-exposed. Neither of us caught it, but my suspicion is that the exposure likely caused a regeneration of the antibodies. On December 23 I went and gave blood again to the Red Cross and again, they reported back that I had antibodies. My plan is to continue to donate every time I have the opportunity at least until I get the vaccine to see just how long they last in my system.

I've been doing a lot of research on re-infection. To date, there still aren't a lot of documented cases of re-infection, however there does appear to be a lot more people that are catching it for the second time that caught it early in the cycle. The interesting thing is that from the documented cases, if the initial infection had minor symptoms, the second time catching it is much worse overall for the majority of people. If the first time catching it was severe, then the second pass is generally a lot more mild. There aren't many documented cases where it was light both times or severe both times. Using a bit of logic here, that kind of tracks. A light case will generally yield a lesser immune response than a major case. So if a person didn't have severe symptoms, then the next time they catch it, the next infection would have to be worse to overcome the T and B cells along with any antibodies that are still in the system. If a person had a severe case, their immune system is really set to overcome the virus the next time around, so the odds of getting a lesser case the second time around is improved. On the whole, most people that are catching it twice are around 175-200 days out at a minimum before they catch it again. The good thing is that the vaccines having a two stage process, mimics a severe case in regards to the immune system. So after a person is vaccinated, at least for a while, there should be some level of immunity (I know that nobody in the research medical field want to use that term) and even if it is caught again, it should be a pretty light case. The question becomes, how often will a person have to be vaccinated for Covid 19? The answer to that is still unknown, but the current thinking is every 6 months. The hope is that by July there will be some other options for vaccination including possibly nasal sprays or a pill. Those vaccines are still a few months away from being able to go for emergency approval from the FDA. But they will be a game changer if they do in fact work. It could easily be a situation where until this virus starves off due to lack of infectible people, that we will have to have some treatment a couple times a year for the next few years.
 
I think your conclusions are overly pessimistic given the research, but agree with 99% of what you're saying.

The very, very last people I would listen to about immunity are doctors with malpractice suits potentially hanging like a guillotine over their necks. I'll personally choose to read what the research says, which is done as pure science and cannot be construed as health advice and thus not subject to lawsuit even by the most unreasonable lawyer or judge.

Not throwing these out here as a refutation of people's first or second hand accounts because people are very unique and weird shit can happen, but as a rule longer term immunity looks VERY promising for 99% of people.



 
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As someone who is at the funeral home right now making arrangements for the funeral of my mother. This crap sucks. She tested positive for two weeks ago and it took her life. Hold your loved ones close.

Wow. I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
 
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Is he taking the prescribed Ivermectin for humans?



What is mentioned in the video and link are prescribed by a doctor for human use.
That is what I am saying people read this stuff then think they can take healthcare into their own hands. All I am saying is make sure a doctor is involved in what ever you do.
 
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I think your conclusions are overly pessimistic given the research, but agree with 99% of what you're saying.

The very, very last people I would listen to about immunity are doctors with malpractice suits potentially hanging like a guillotine over their necks. I'll personally choose to read what the research says, which is done as pure science and cannot be construed as health advice and thus not subject to lawsuit even by the most unreasonable lawyer or judge.

Not throwing these out here as a refutation of people's first or second hand accounts because people are very unique and weird shit can happen, but as a rule longer term immunity looks VERY promising for 99% of people.




I don't disagree. However the number of known repeat actual covid cases is rising. It is still a small fraction, however it isn't like the bulk of people that have had it got it in Feb-April of last year. In fact, over 25% of all covid cases are currently active cases. That is a pretty damning number and as you said, almost all of those are going through it the first time. I know there is a lot of anecdotal stuff out there that talks about large portions of populations going through it for the second time. But if you dig deeper, it generally is in areas without a lot of interaction outside their own communities and they weren't actually tested when something tore through them last year.

One other thing that needs to be stated again because it also comes into play on a lot of this. This is the first time in medical history that a sinus swipe testing positive is defined as a case. The reality is that a case requires a medical care component for it to be a case. So for my wife and I, even if we had taken the covid test when we had it, should not have been a case because it was mild enough to not cause us to seek medical attention. The other problem is that most infections take place through the nasal passages. Yes it can happen through the mouth, but the nose is a less destructive path for the virus (from the virus' perspective). For most people, current indications are that it takes several thousand Covid cells for a person to become infected.. Which is why you don't see mass amounts of people getting sick due to going shopping at the grocery store where the virus can live on previously touched items and thus transfer. There just aren't enough cells to make any but the most immune system compromised ill. So a stick is shoved up the nose and grabs a few covid cells and the test comes back positive. But there wasn't enough of a load to actually make the person ill. So a positive test and the person is asymptomatic and follow-up testing shows no antibodies. Meaning that despite a positive test, the person never had covid. The most common symptom of covid is a headache. You know what else causes headaches? Sitting at home in quarantine doing nothing. So the person thinks they had a symptom. But in reality, were never infected. I had a bit of an argument with a friend of mine who's wife was exposed, had a positive test, never had a symptom, and didn't develop antibodies. She never had it. So now, if she actually does get it, they will believe that she got it again instead of it being the first time.

Some might be thinking "what is the big deal with somebody thinking they have caught it twice versus one of those times not actually being a true infection?" The reality is that it is skewed data and that skewed data is used by people who help direct policy. So the more people that are considered to have had it twice means the ability to resume life back to somewhat normal takes a larger hit because the data is skewed showing more and more repeat infections.
 
I don't disagree. However the number of known repeat actual covid cases is rising. It is still a small fraction, however it isn't like the bulk of people that have had it got it in Feb-April of last year. In fact, over 25% of all covid cases are currently active cases. That is a pretty damning number and as you said, almost all of those are going through it the first time. I know there is a lot of anecdotal stuff out there that talks about large portions of populations going through it for the second time. But if you dig deeper, it generally is in areas without a lot of interaction outside their own communities and they weren't actually tested when something tore through them last year.

One other thing that needs to be stated again because it also comes into play on a lot of this. This is the first time in medical history that a sinus swipe testing positive is defined as a case. The reality is that a case requires a medical care component for it to be a case. So for my wife and I, even if we had taken the covid test when we had it, should not have been a case because it was mild enough to not cause us to seek medical attention. The other problem is that most infections take place through the nasal passages. Yes it can happen through the mouth, but the nose is a less destructive path for the virus (from the virus' perspective). For most people, current indications are that it takes several thousand Covid cells for a person to become infected.. Which is why you don't see mass amounts of people getting sick due to going shopping at the grocery store where the virus can live on previously touched items and thus transfer. There just aren't enough cells to make any but the most immune system compromised ill. So a stick is shoved up the nose and grabs a few covid cells and the test comes back positive. But there wasn't enough of a load to actually make the person ill. So a positive test and the person is asymptomatic and follow-up testing shows no antibodies. Meaning that despite a positive test, the person never had covid. The most common symptom of covid is a headache. You know what else causes headaches? Sitting at home in quarantine doing nothing. So the person thinks they had a symptom. But in reality, were never infected. I had a bit of an argument with a friend of mine who's wife was exposed, had a positive test, never had a symptom, and didn't develop antibodies. She never had it. So now, if she actually does get it, they will believe that she got it again instead of it being the first time.

Some might be thinking "what is the big deal with somebody thinking they have caught it twice versus one of those times not actually being a true infection?" The reality is that it is skewed data and that skewed data is used by people who help direct policy. So the more people that are considered to have had it twice means the ability to resume life back to somewhat normal takes a larger hit because the data is skewed showing more and more repeat infections.
That is an absolutely outstanding summary of things. It won't stop a lot of people from preferring fear and submission to knowledge and self determination, but you've done your best.

And liljordan, I hate that these attempts to be optimistic about the future are mixed in with your announcement, and feel terrible for you and your family. My thoughts and prayers to you all.
 
That is an absolutely outstanding summary of things. It won't stop a lot of people from preferring fear and submission to knowledge and self determination, but you've done your best.

And liljordan, I hate that these attempts to be optimistic about the future are mixed in with your announcement, and feel terrible for you and your family. My thoughts and prayers to you all.
No need to apologize, I’m ready for things to get better. We are holding off on a ceremony due to everything. I chose to be positive that things will get better
 
As someone who is at the funeral home right now making arrangements for the funeral of my mother. This crap sucks. She tested positive for two weeks ago and it took her life. Hold your loved ones close.
I couldn’t imagine losing my parents right now. I’m so sorry for your loss.
 
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I couldn’t imagine losing my parents right now. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Not going to lie it sucks. We decided to not have a service due to I thought it was hypocritical of me to want a service and out people at risk and the cause of my moms death was COVID related.

she was a great woman and fought a hard battle but couldn’t win
 
I don't disagree. However the number of known repeat actual covid cases is rising. It is still a small fraction, however it isn't like the bulk of people that have had it got it in Feb-April of last year. In fact, over 25% of all covid cases are currently active cases. That is a pretty damning number and as you said, almost all of those are going through it the first time. I know there is a lot of anecdotal stuff out there that talks about large portions of populations going through it for the second time. But if you dig deeper, it generally is in areas without a lot of interaction outside their own communities and they weren't actually tested when something tore through them last year.

One other thing that needs to be stated again because it also comes into play on a lot of this. This is the first time in medical history that a sinus swipe testing positive is defined as a case. The reality is that a case requires a medical care component for it to be a case. So for my wife and I, even if we had taken the covid test when we had it, should not have been a case because it was mild enough to not cause us to seek medical attention. The other problem is that most infections take place through the nasal passages. Yes it can happen through the mouth, but the nose is a less destructive path for the virus (from the virus' perspective). For most people, current indications are that it takes several thousand Covid cells for a person to become infected.. Which is why you don't see mass amounts of people getting sick due to going shopping at the grocery store where the virus can live on previously touched items and thus transfer. There just aren't enough cells to make any but the most immune system compromised ill. So a stick is shoved up the nose and grabs a few covid cells and the test comes back positive. But there wasn't enough of a load to actually make the person ill. So a positive test and the person is asymptomatic and follow-up testing shows no antibodies. Meaning that despite a positive test, the person never had covid. The most common symptom of covid is a headache. You know what else causes headaches? Sitting at home in quarantine doing nothing. So the person thinks they had a symptom. But in reality, were never infected. I had a bit of an argument with a friend of mine who's wife was exposed, had a positive test, never had a symptom, and didn't develop antibodies. She never had it. So now, if she actually does get it, they will believe that she got it again instead of it being the first time.

Some might be thinking "what is the big deal with somebody thinking they have caught it twice versus one of those times not actually being a true infection?" The reality is that it is skewed data and that skewed data is used by people who help direct policy. So the more people that are considered to have had it twice means the ability to resume life back to somewhat normal takes a larger hit because the data is skewed showing more and more repeat infections.
That’s all well and good in a vacuum, except the trends of hospitalizations and deaths follow the trends of cases. The number of cases themselves doesn’t matter to anyone by themselves, it’s that we have been able to pretty closely predict now how the hospitalizations and deaths will follow. Obviously it’s not 1:1 or anywhere close, but if you look at the trend lines they match up pretty closely but hospitalizations are about 2 weeks lagging and then deaths 2 weeks behind that.
 
As someone who is at the funeral home right now making arrangements for the funeral of my mother. This crap sucks. She tested positive for two weeks ago and it took her life. Hold your loved ones close.
So, so sorry man. Can’t imagine going through that. Horrible time 😔
 
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As someone who is at the funeral home right now making arrangements for the funeral of my mother. This crap sucks. She tested positive for two weeks ago and it took her life. Hold your loved ones close.
Sorry man. Keep your head up.
 
Two days after and my only “side effects” are a sore shoulder and mild congestion.
 
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